Help with surgery design (round 2)

[midfacedeficient]

I'm at 5 week post op from djs and starting to look at what i want done next. I think my eye area's good enough so i was mainly looking at the mid face and a little bit of the lower third. just gunna say what i was thinking about have done and see what you all think. i threw some befores relaxed and smiling (i have teeth now didnt before the downgraft) in the attachments for reference. not sure why the photos look so dingy


midface
nose job
given. going to reduce the size and slightly upturn it.
lip lift
not sure if it's necessary. my teeth show when i smile but not when I talk. I'd like them to show when I talk. but if I pull the lip up it might show gum when i smile. what do you guys think? is it possible?

paranasals
as you can see now that some swellings gone down my nasolabials are getting more prominent again. I don't want fat grafting, i wanted to fake some bone support instead. Surgeon thinks a facelift oughtta do it, but id rather augment the structure, facelift seems like a subscription based service where ive gotta do it again and again over the years to keep fixing it.
I've seen a few different shapes, ones with a hood on each side of the nose, ones with one big hoof under the nose, and ones that trace all the way up the side if the nose and also augment the infras. This is more of a full midface augmentation. Do these look stupid in practice or no?
Should I get paranasals, and what shape would work best?

cheekbones
could i increase them a good bit more or am i approaching the gay zone?

lower third
buccal fat removal
I want the hollow cheeks and ik this helps but everyone hates on it. what do you guys think? i like the skeleton, gaunt look. so i think id like it

chin
chin is deviated a few mm sideways, and upturned in the side profile. would it be easier to just have the entire thing shaved off and augmented instead of doing genio? I'd get more freedom in my design and I think it's be a faster recovery.

jaw
if i do a chin implant, should I go ahead and design the implant to augment the entire mandible? fix the angle a bit and add some flare at the ends?

neck lift
got that little double chin no matter how lean i get


So yeah lmk what you guys think and if you have any other suggestions

 

[midfacedeficient]

paranasal designs ive seen:

with full midface augmentation:

 

[tyler1234]

Maybe palate expansion it looks abit narrow. Nose job and para nasal implant is a good idea

 

[vermicel]

nose job [...] lip lift [...] buccal fat removal [...] chin [...] jaw angle with some flare at the ends

+ laser for the skin (CO2, Vbeam, etc.)
+ tazarotene / tretinoin
+ microneedling (Derminator 2) followed by taz/tret or a vit C serum

If you aren't doing the above for your skin yet, it should become your priority these next months, regardless of the surgeries you'll be undergoing later on.

Morph with all the above :

I have no opinion about the paranasal implant. I think your nasolabial folds are still improved compared to their pre-op condition.

I'd advise against further augmentation of the cheekbones. It's hard to get them right, and your current result seems good enough. It would be regrettable to mess it up with a second surgery.

Don't shave off your chin bone. Just rotate/unfold it. And have it segmented to achieve a satisfactory shape.

Neck lift ? Yes. Or alternatively a plain chin lipo, or a submentoplasty ( = lipo + neck muscle tightening).

You are dyeing your hair & eyebrows, aren't you ? Anyway, find a competent colorist in your area to enhance your hair color, so it will compliment better your complexion and pheno. It's worth a try.

I think my eye area's good enough

Hmm, I would tend to disagree. Perhaps will you remember that I suggested some work on your lower eyelid (lateral part) when you posted a thread back in November (or early December). The suggestion didn't convince you then. Yet, looking at this new front profile pic, I would reiterate it. @Nahorscend what do you reckon he could do ? Canthopexy ? Anything else ?

Same morph as above, with additional ocular correction :

 

[snowslayer]

+ laser for the skin (CO2, Vbeam, etc.)
+ tazarotene / tretinoin
+ microneedling (Derminator 2) followed by taz/tret or a vit C serum

If you aren't doing the above for your skin yet, it should become your priority these next months, regardless of the surgeries you'll be undergoing later on.

Morph with all the above :

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I have no opinion about the paranasal implant. I think your nasolabial folds are still improved compared to their pre-op condition.

I'd advise against further augmentation of the cheekbones. It's hard to get them right, and your current result seems good enough. It would be regrettable to mess it up with a second surgery.

Don't shave off your chin bone. Just rotate/unfold it. And have it segmented to achieve a satisfactory shape.

Neck lift ? Yes. Or alternatively a plain chin lipo, or a submentoplasty ( = lipo + neck muscle tightening).

You are dyeing your hair & eyebrows, aren't you ? Anyway, find a competent colorist in your area to enhance your hair color, so it will compliment better your complexion and pheno. It's worth a try.




Hmm, I would tend to disagree. Perhaps will you remember that I suggested some work on your lower eyelid (lateral part) when you posted a thread back in November (or early December). The suggestion didn't convince you then. Yet, looking at this new front profile pic, I would reiterate it. @Nahorscend what do you reckon he could do ? Canthopexy ? Anything else ?

Same morph as above, with additional ocular correction :

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also you forgot hair growth growing out his hair and finding a style that complements him combined with finding someone to enhance the color will boost him a lot. Tret C02 and Micro will do miracles in itself. This guy truly can have the biggest ascension in org history lol. I also think some tan couldnt hurt him

 

[midfacedeficient]

Maybe palate expansion it looks abit narrow. Nose job and para nasal implant is a good idea

I was wanting palate expansion but id have to wait like 2 years for the downgrafts to heal so we could remove the plates and properly expand it and i dont feel like waiting that long :/

 

[midfacedeficient]

@vermicel
Wow man. incredible response. gunna go through and dissect it and respond to various parts.

If you aren't doing the above for your skin yet, it should become your priority these next months, regardless of the surgeries you'll be undergoing later on.

im doing tretinoin and taking collagen right now. Do you have more info on the lasers? Where could I have that done and how much does it cost?

Morph with all the above :
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wow, if that's what id look like after those operations that sounds like my best bet.

I'd advise against further augmentation of the cheekbones. It's hard to get them right, and your current result seems good enough. It would be regrettable to mess it up with a second surgery.

noted

Don't shave off your chin bone. Just rotate/unfold it. And have it segmented to achieve a satisfactory shape.

is that easier than having an implant made? whats the benefit to keeping the real bone over just designing an implant to fit as u want?

Neck lift ? Yes. Or alternatively a plain chin lipo, or a submentoplasty ( = lipo + neck muscle tightening).

okie dokie

You are dyeing your hair & eyebrows, aren't you ?

nope. once it's longer i'm gunna take it a couple shades darker though

Same morph as above, with additional ocular correction :
View attachment 4709025

I like the other morph better personally. feel like i have more soul that way

thank you for the detailed response. I can tell u put a ton of time in to it. now i'll forever be feeling inadequate compared to this fictional version of me

 

[Nahorscend]

Hmm, I would tend to disagree. Perhaps will you remember that I suggested some work on your lower eyelid (lateral part) when you posted a thread back in November (or early December). The suggestion didn't convince you then. Yet, looking at this new front profile pic, I would reiterate it. @Nahorscend what do you reckon he could do ? Canthopexy ? Anything else ?

Same morph as above, with additional ocular correction :

View attachment 4709033
View attachment 4709025

Yes the negative lid tilt is a big flaw, badly needs some kind of lateral cantho. Kinda rare case since there is significant lateral sag yet neither nct nor inferior scleral show. So doesn't really need lateral canthus repositioning nor a spacer graft, just lateral canthus tightening I'd imagine. Oculoplastic would be able to diagnose what kind of cantho is indicated.

 

[goku21]

What did you do to optimize your recovery? Things like hgh bpc etc. I’m also getting djs

 

[midfacedeficient]

What did you do to optimize your recovery? Things like hgh bpc etc. I’m also getting djs

nothin like that. no hormones or anything in my system at all. just drank a lot of milk for the bones and maybe the potassium helped with some swelling not sure. i seemed to recover way ahead of schedule though. whens ur surgery? gunna let the class see?

 

[lurking truecel]

You need a god tier rhino surgeon for your nose, its a hard one. Then i would say deep plane face lift, those two surgeries would be highest roi, i would just let the chin be, its not noticeable. Lip lift sure

 

[midfacedeficient]

You need a god tier rhino surgeon for your nose, its a hard one. Then i would say deep plane face lift, those two surgeries would be highest roi, i would just let the chin be, its not noticeable. Lip lift sure

reasonable
I was just going to go back to the same guy. im turkish doctors have a habit of making comically small noses and stuff like that, but he seems pretty conservative. whats the approach like for a nose job? i figured i'd chatgpt up a panel of like 12-16 types of noses on me then tell him which one i like and ask if he can do it that way

 

[midfacedeficient]

Yes the negative lid tilt is a big flaw, badly needs some kind of lateral cantho. Kinda rare case since there is significant lateral sag yet neither nct nor inferior scleral show. So doesn't really need lateral canthus repositioning nor a spacer graft, just lateral canthus tightening I'd imagine. Oculoplastic would be able to diagnose what kind of cantho is indicated.

the hell do u guys have against my eyes i always thought they were a decent feature. really not a fan of changing them. when i look at myself i think that's the most important part of identifying myself. i can change all the stuff around my face but changing the eyes would make it seem like it's not me anymore. seems like i lose myself if i do that

 

[lurking truecel]

reasonable
I was just going to go back to the same guy. im turkish doctors have a habit of making comically small noses and stuff like that, but he seems pretty conservative. whats the approach like for a nose job? i figured i'd chatgpt up a panel of like 12-16 types of noses on me then tell him which one i like and ask if he can do it that way

I Would say its important you go to someone who is a specialist in rhinoplasties. You will need to build it a bit to make more narrow. Many surgeons who isnt primary rhinoplasty surgeons have shit teqniques, i am not saying your turkey surgeon is that way but i doubt he has the skill that should ideally be needed for your nose. The thing is if you get it wrong the first times and some doctor does the wrong teqnique the second one will 10x worse so for you i would def advice a good first surgeon who only does rhinos, because it is a hard surgery esp with your nose

 

[midfacedeficient]

I Would say its important you go to someone who is a specialist in rhinoplasties. You will need to build it a bit to make more narrow. Many surgeons who isnt primary rhinoplasty surgeons have shit teqniques, i am not saying your turkey surgeon is that way but i doubt he has the skill that should ideally be needed for your nose. The thing is if you get it wrong the first times and some doctor does the wrong teqnique the second one will 10x worse so for you i would def advice a good first surgeon who only does rhinos, because it is a hard surgery esp with your nose

i'll consider that

 

[Nahorscend]

the hell do u guys have against my eyes i always thought they were a decent feature. really not a fan of changing them. when i look at myself i think that's the most important part of identifying myself. i can change all the stuff around my face but changing the eyes would make it seem like it's not me anymore. seems like i lose myself if i do that

I mean whether you like yourself matters more than anything and if you're happy with it then disregard our opinions, it doesn't matter what we say

 

[goku21]

nothin like that. no hormones or anything in my system at all. just drank a lot of milk for the bones and maybe the potassium helped with some swelling not sure. i seemed to recover way ahead of schedule though. whens ur surgery? gunna let the class see?

Yes will make threads waiting till March for my next ortho appointment n I’ll be ready for surgery.

 

[midfacedeficient]

I mean whether you like yourself matters more than anything and if you're happy with it then disregard our opinions, it doesn't matter what we say

Not disregarding ur opinion, good intel whether i like it or not. I'm still interested to see how others perceive me and what theyd go about fixing

That's just one detail i want to keep regardless of being able to make it better or not

 

[midfacedeficient]

Yes will make threads waiting till March for my next ortho appointment n I’ll be ready for surgery.

Good luck! i'll be watching

 

[user20266741]

I'm at 5 week post op from djs and starting to look at what i want done next. I think my eye area's good enough so i was mainly looking at the mid face and a little bit of the lower third. just gunna say what i was thinking about have done and see what you all think. i threw some befores relaxed and smiling (i have teeth now didnt before the downgraft) in the attachments for reference. not sure why the photos look so dingy


midface
nose job
given. going to reduce the size and slightly upturn it.
lip lift
not sure if it's necessary. my teeth show when i smile but not when I talk. I'd like them to show when I talk. but if I pull the lip up it might show gum when i smile. what do you guys think? is it possible?

paranasals
as you can see now that some swellings gone down my nasolabials are getting more prominent again. I don't want fat grafting, i wanted to fake some bone support instead. Surgeon thinks a facelift oughtta do it, but id rather augment the structure, facelift seems like a subscription based service where ive gotta do it again and again over the years to keep fixing it.
I've seen a few different shapes, ones with a hood on each side of the nose, ones with one big hoof under the nose, and ones that trace all the way up the side if the nose and also augment the infras. This is more of a full midface augmentation. Do these look stupid in practice or no?
Should I get paranasals, and what shape would work best?

cheekbones
could i increase them a good bit more or am i approaching the gay zone?

lower third
buccal fat removal
I want the hollow cheeks and ik this helps but everyone hates on it. what do you guys think? i like the skeleton, gaunt look. so i think id like it

chin
chin is deviated a few mm sideways, and upturned in the side profile. would it be easier to just have the entire thing shaved off and augmented instead of doing genio? I'd get more freedom in my design and I think it's be a faster recovery.

jaw
if i do a chin implant, should I go ahead and design the implant to augment the entire mandible? fix the angle a bit and add some flare at the ends?

neck lift
got that little double chin no matter how lean i get


So yeah lmk what you guys think and if you have any other suggestions

Crazy ascension, but i think ur eye area could use a canthoplasty and u would look great

 

[vermicel]

im doing tretinoin and taking collagen right now. Do you have more info on the lasers? Where could I have that done and how much does it cost?

Tazarotene is refered as a "better version of tretinoin" in @Aryan Incel 's skincare guide -> https://looksmax.org/threads/skin-mega-guide.1693235/
So you may want to read up on the topic and switch treatments.
I could be wrong, but I don't think taking collagen as an oral supplement is very efficient, and you'll get superior results with lasers and microneedling.

You can have laser treatments done at your local dermatologist or so-called laser/beauty clinic. Once again, I could be wrong, but I doubt it requires a very skilled & very experienced operator ; they would just need to be equipped with the right type of laser (CO2, Vbeam, etc.). Cost will vary upon location, obviously. You're in the US, right ? It will set you back a few hundreds bucks per session, and several of them will be needed to achieve good results. @Firstname.Lastname is from the US and has undergone these types of treatments, so he may be willing to chime in with more info.

wow, if that's what id look like after those operations that sounds like my best bet.

Glad you like the morph. However, it is only a vague illustration of what you may achieve. Don't use it as a very reliable reference for your surgical project.
For example, buccal fat removal may not necessarily deliver more definition in the lower cheek area. Less volume, yes, but the hollow effect is not guaranted at all.
Then, a genioplasty may not achieve the depicted chin shape either ; a complementary touch of filler (Radiesse) may be required.
By the way, these sharp & flared jaw angles couldn't be achieved through implants ; only fillers (Radiesse & co) could do that. Jaw angle implants will add volume, but they're usually lackluster when it comes to definition/sharpness.
Also, I probably smoothened your frown lines or "11s" too much. Lasers, microneedling and botox will improve this area for sure, but I'm not certain to which extent.
Etc.

You may go to Mehmet again for the genioplasty and buccal fat removal (a relatively simple procedure, but make sure he's got experience with it) ... on the other hand, as explained by Lurking Truecel earlier in this thread, you should definitely pick an experienced specialist for your rhinoplasty, as it will involve various complex steps (alar plasty, grafting/augmentation, and probably some bone shaving). If you stick to Turkey for this surgery, you can start off your research with my following post :

Spoiler: list of Turkish rhino specialists

The price range is quite wide, and can fluctuate significantly, as Turkish nose specialists have been inflating their prices due to high demand (from foreign foids). For a primary rhino with no unusual feat, and with a good surgeon, expect to pay anywhere between $4K and $8K. There are probably outliers on both ends of the spectrum, but, if it were me, I would neither cheap out nor support the greediest surgeons.

Here's a list of Turkish rhino specialists (mix of plastic surgeons and ENT) from my preliminary research on a dedicated FB group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/604041441428373/) :

Dr Erkan Soylu (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/erkan.ent/
Dr Saban Celebi (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/drsabancelebi/
Dr Selim Turan (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/dr.selimturan/
Dr Oguzhan Oguz (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/dr.oguzhanoguz/
Dr Ozan Erol (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/dr.ozanerol/
Dr Baris Cakir (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/bariscakir__/
Dr Cenk Teker (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/drcenkteker/
Dr Sureyya Seneldir (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/rhinoplastyschool/
Dr Umut Erdogan (Antalya) https://www.instagram.com/drumuterdogann/
Dr Umit Kucuktepe (Antalya) https://www.instagram.com/dr.umitkucuktepe/
Dr Enis Yalcin (Antalya) https://www.instagram.com/drenisyalcin/
Dr Sukru Turan (Antalya) https://www.instagram.com/drsukruturan/
Dr Mirza Firat (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/drmirzafirat/
Dr Suley Mantas (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/drsuleymantas/
Dr Teoman Dogan (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/drteomandogan/
Dr Fahrettin Yilmaz (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/fahrettin_yilmaz/
Dr Eymen Oruc (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/dreymenoruc/
Dr Safak Aktar (Istanbul) https://www.instagram.com/dr.safakaktar.operations/

It's not exhaustive, and would benefit from further sorting.

While a lip lift isn't the most complex procedure, you should seek an experienced surgeon as well. Not only for the alar base's suture/scar, but also for the way your upper lip will be lifted. You really don't want to get gayed out with an excessive lift or end up with an uneven vermilion increase (typically overdone around the cupid bow). If you undergo this procedure at a later point in time and in the US, @Firstname.Lastname has repeatedly recommended Dr. Miguel Mascaro in Florida.

I like the other morph better personally. feel like i have more soul that way

No worries, your stance is understandable.
Should you ever change your mind and want a professional opinion on your eyes, Dr. Ivan Vrcek (Dallas) and Dr. Raymond Douglas (Beverly Hills) have been repeatedly mentioned here as skilled oculoplastic surgeons.

 

[tyler1234]

Maybe look into this surgeon

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

You can have laser treatments done at your local dermatologist or so-called laser/beauty clinic. Once again, I could be wrong, but I doubt it requires a very skilled & very experienced operator ; they would just need to be equipped with the right type of laser (CO2, Vbeam, etc.). Cost will vary upon location, obviously. You're in the US, right ? It will set you back a few hundreds bucks per session, and several of them will be needed to achieve good results. @Firstname.Lastname is from the US and has undergone these types of treatments, so he may be willing to chime in with more info.

For the most part lasers don't require that much skill, that's why in many states medspaws have been allowed to use CO2 now.

Medspaw are fine for light ablative and non-ablative lasers, moxi, clean & clear, fraxel, ect. Moxi for example is so basic it only has settings, "1", "2" and "3". So its very hard to mess up, outside of directly shooting it into someones eye.

Vbeam, advatx, Vascular lasers are generally for general redness, rosacea, dark circles(that are vascular). Med spaws are unlikely to have these as there not that common. You would at least need to go to a derms office generally speaking.

Aerolaser, is like swiss army knife of lasers, it's most unqiue property is that it can reduce sebaceous glands perminately the same way isotretinoin does. So yes you could use it to shrink your nose for example... Or get rid of acne. It can treat redness as well, I had cherry agniomas removed with this. It can do laser hair removal ect... Not really a resurfacing laser thou imo.

Pico is obvi the best at pigment removal, again you'll need to see a dermatologist for this, since they are expensive and specialized. This one also requires some skill to use.

Ultraclear, this is for the ethnics provides okay results but its mostly for people with dark skin. Since they cannot use many resurfacing lasers. Its also neat in that it self modulates, so realtively low skill for strong results.

CO2 - The results here are dramatically different by provider. If you have bad acne scars, don't see a medspa or derm. It's not that derms lack the skill, its that over the past 10-15 years they have decide they have 0 risk tolerance and would rather just suck patients dry then preform actual services. So you really need a plastic surgeon to do it. If your skin is free of scaring, and only has light wrinkles then a medspa or a derm could work.

Almost everyone is doing fractionated co2 these days. Again this is about the shift in risk tolerance, while in the right hands it can produce decent results. The results are far less then full field ablative resurfacing. However very few plastic surgeons even offer full field ablative resurfacing anymore.

 

[nishka]

For the most part lasers don't require that much skill, that's why in many states medspaws have been allowed to use CO2 now.

Medspaw are fine for light ablative and non-ablative lasers, moxi, clean & clear, fraxel, ect. Moxi for example is so basic it only has settings, "1", "2" and "3". So its very hard to mess up, outside of directly shooting it into someones eye.

Vbeam, advatx, Vascular lasers are generally for general redness, rosacea, dark circles(that are vascular). Med spaws are unlikely to have these as there not that common. You would at least need to go to a derms office generally speaking.

Aerolaser, is like swiss army knife of lasers, it's most unqiue property is that it can reduce sebaceous glands perminately the same way isotretinoin does. So yes you could use it to shrink your nose for example... Or get rid of acne. It can treat redness as well, I had cherry agniomas removed with this. It can do laser hair removal ect... Not really a resurfacing laser thou imo.

Pico is obvi the best at pigment removal, again you'll need to see a dermatologist for this, since they are expensive and specialized. This one also requires some skill to use.

Ultraclear, this is for the ethnics provides okay results but its mostly for people with dark skin. Since they cannot use many resurfacing lasers. Its also neat in that it self modulates, so realtively low skill for strong results.

CO2 - The results here are dramatically different by provider. If you have bad acne scars, don't see a medspa or derm. It's not that derms lack the skill, its that over the past 10-15 years they have decide they have 0 risk tolerance and would rather just suck patients dry then preform actual services. So you really need a plastic surgeon to do it. If your skin is free of scaring, and only has light wrinkles then a medspa or a derm could work.

Almost everyone is doing fractionated co2 these days. Again this is about the shift in risk tolerance, while in the right hands it can produce decent results. The results are far less then full field ablative resurfacing. However very few plastic surgeons even offer full field ablative resurfacing anymore.

which laser can make me white? I am indian

 

[snowslayer]

hydroquinone combined with pico laser. Add some tret as well for the glow

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

which laser can make me white? I am indian

Probably none but pico is your best bet for removing pigment. They all do it though to some extent except vascular lasers.

 

[midfacedeficient]

+ laser for the skin (CO2, Vbeam, etc.)
+ tazarotene / tretinoin
+ microneedling (Derminator 2) followed by taz/tret or a vit C serum

If you aren't doing the above for your skin yet, it should become your priority these next months, regardless of the surgeries you'll be undergoing later on.

Already doing tret (ik i already replied with that) but i just ordered a microneedling pen so I'll get on that friday if its here on time.
I saw a megathread on it on here and it advised to do it every 4 weeks. that still stand true?

 

[snowslayer]

Probably none but pico is your best bet for removing pigment. They all do it though to some extent except vascular lasers.

Is pico hydroquinone and Tret enough to remove pigment slightly lighten skin and get that glowing look? In your opinion what r the best treatments to do w the derm? Also this is a little different but for brows yk about nano brows? They mog microblading

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Is pico hydroquinone and Tret enough to remove pigment slightly lighten skin and get that glowing look? In your opinion what r the best treatments to do w the derm? Also this is a little different but for brows yk about nano brows? They mog microblading

Its will lighten the skin forsure, you can toss tranexamic acid in the mix too. all those including tret decrease pigmentation. Will it give a glow? Maybe it depends on alot of factors, and what specific glow our looking for. IE you can have high light reflection but skin can either produce a gloss/matt/or something in between form of reflecting light. Kpop glass skin general involves some degree of Korean specialized skin care products, its kind of fruad maxing honestly.

As far as treatment with derm, depends on your objective but generally their most optimal to use for either pico or vascular laser, since these take skill a med spa doesn't have, and plastic surgeons never use them.

 

[JohanBigBalle]

I know you just got out of jaw surgery and so it's a little unsympathetic to suggest work on the mandible, but you'd look better with a lower mandibular plane angle (MPA).

This morph shows lower lid retraction / lateral canthoplasty
lower MPA, can be done with full chin wing once healed or implant.
better skin quality and potentially a very minimal buccal fat removal (not saying it has to be minimal if you decide to do it).

original:

gif comparison:

 

[AbelMakkonenTesfa]

i hope procedures go good bro gl

 

[lurking truecel]

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Maybe look into this surgeon

Its pag

 

[lurking truecel]

I know you just got out of jaw surgery and so it's a little unsympathetic to suggest work on the mandible, but you'd look better with a lower mandibular plane angle (MPA).

This morph shows lower lid retraction / lateral canthoplasty
lower MPA, can be done with full chin wing once healed or implant.
better skin quality and potentially a very minimal buccal fat removal (not saying it has to be minimal if you decide to do it).

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original:
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gif comparison:
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Its crazy how shit people are at morphing and being unrealistic on this forum.

 

[LEFORT17]

Its pag

wasnt that giant x that argentinian surgeon

 

[lurking truecel]

wasnt that giant x that argentinian surgeon

I mean all people i talked to said it was bimax pag and then giant pag for the paranasal aswell.

 

[tyler1234]

wasnt that giant x that argentinian surgeon

It is

 

[Gladiat0r]

I Would say its important you go to someone who is a specialist in rhinoplasties. You will need to build it a bit to make more narrow. Many surgeons who isnt primary rhinoplasty surgeons have shit teqniques, i am not saying your turkey surgeon is that way but i doubt he has the skill that should ideally be needed for your nose. The thing is if you get it wrong the first times and some doctor does the wrong teqnique the second one will 10x worse so for you i would def advice a good first surgeon who only does rhinos, because it is a hard surgery esp with your nose

I wanted to get bimax+ rhino with burak though? is he good with rhino?

 

[LEFORT17]

I wanted to get bimax+ rhino with burak though? is he good with rhino?

you know how much he charges for rhino

 

[Gladiat0r]

you know how much he charges for rhino

no more than 5k usd but when combined with bimax. I don't know alone

 

[lurking truecel]

I wanted to get bimax+ rhino with burak though? is he good with rhino?

It all depends on the nose, and ofc maybe the surgeon is really good but most of the time if they dont specialize they dont have the same amount tools and teqniques as a good rhino only surgeon.

 

[midfacedeficient]

I know you just got out of jaw surgery and so it's a little unsympathetic to suggest work on the mandible, but you'd look better with a lower mandibular plane angle (MPA).

This morph shows lower lid retraction / lateral canthoplasty
lower MPA, can be done with full chin wing once healed or implant.
better skin quality and potentially a very minimal buccal fat removal (not saying it has to be minimal if you decide to do it).

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That does look good. i havent heard of anyone doing this before. got any real life examples?

 

[midfacedeficient]

found this photo of a smile attempt pre surgery
same spot same lighting now. ik i dont have the best side profile or anything but u cant say it isnt an improvement

 

[JohanBigBalle]

That does look good. i havent heard of anyone doing this before. got any real life examples?

more examples:

Canthoplasty Before and After Gallery | Taban MD

tabanmd.com

as for a full chin wing, well there's plenty of examples but most of the cases are of adding height & width to the entire mandible rather than just adding height at the back and keeping the chin the same.

heres some full chin wing examples tho, unfortunately not real life b/a though

potential complication: masseter dehiscence

The alternative being implants, and ofc you've already seen jaw implants, so just imagine something similar to a wrap around that keeps the front the same while adding ramus length.

Not sure if you got jaw implants already or if you just have plates but yeah.

 

[midfacedeficient]

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more examples:

Canthoplasty Before and After Gallery | Taban MD

tabanmd.com

as for a full chin wing, well there's plenty of examples but most of the cases are of adding height & width to the entire mandible rather than just adding height at the back and keeping the chin the same.

heres some full chin wing examples tho, unfortunately not real life b/a though

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potential complication: masseter dehiscence

The alternative being implants, and ofc you've already seen jaw implants, so just imagine something similar to a wrap around that keeps the front the same while adding ramus length.

Not sure if you got jaw implants already or if you just have plates but yeah.

dang i was hoping to see one in place with how u described. nah no implants in my jaw yet though

 

[snowslayer]

if u want to change your manidble for your side profile your crazy you got wayyy more important things to focus on as of now its fine

dang i was hoping to see one in place with how u described. nah no implants in my jaw yet though

 

[midfacedeficient]

if u want to change your manidble for your side profile your crazy you got wayyy more important things to focus on as of now its fine

"hey ugly fuck ur jaws fine for now worry bout ur face"
i agree though. i'm thinking of just getting the mid face done this summer then see about the lower third later down the road.

 

[snowslayer]

"hey ugly fuck ur jaws fine for now worry bout ur face"
i agree though. i'm thinking of just getting the mid face done this summer then see about the lower third later down the road.

focus on the other shit above rhino lip buccal fat

 

[vermicel]

Already doing tret (ik i already replied with that) but i just ordered a microneedling pen so I'll get on that friday if its here on time.
I saw a megathread on it on here and it advised to do it every 4 weeks. that still stand true?

It seems that you have skipped my previous post in this thread -> https://looksmax.org/threads/help-with-surgery-design-round-2.1907957/#post-26669624

Check the dedicated subreddit to microneedling if you want more insights, feedbacks, and testimonies (it is much more active and thorough than here on this topic) : https://www.reddit.com/r/Microneedling/
Frequency of treatment will vary according to the craniofacial area, needle depth, and your skin reaction. So there's no generic answer to your question ; you could do it every week, just like every 4 weeks.
Also, I recommended the Derminator 2 because it's supposedly the best dermapen for domestic use. It is exclusively available through the official website : https://owndoc.shop/

Its crazy how shit people are at morphing and being unrealistic on this forum.

The morph you reacted to has been AI-generated. At this point in time, AI's can't really produce "realistic" surgical morphing, because they reprocess the whole picture and modify/smoothen/upgrade a lot of details while doing so.

I guess your comment was targetting my morphs too. Alright then. Show me examples of non-shitty and realistic morphs. I'm willing to learn and progress.

 

[midfacedeficient]

It seems that you have skipped my previous post in this thread -> https://looksmax.org/threads/help-with-surgery-design-round-2.1907957/#post-26669624

I didnt skip it I read every word I get all my pharma from india though so switching tret out would take 2 weeks, looking in to it. Not buying any more oral collagen because it did always feel like a scam

Check the dedicated subreddit to microneedling if you want more insights, feedbacks, and testimonies (it is much more active and thorough than here on this topic) : https://www.reddit.com/r/Microneedling/

I read up on it a bunch

Frequency of treatment will vary according to the craniofacial area, needle depth, and your skin reaction. So there's no generic answer to your question ; you could do it every week, just like every 4 weeks.

Cool. Maybe I can up the frequency then. I'll post results as I do it

Also, I recommended the Derminator 2 because it's supposedly the best dermapen for domestic use. It is exclusively available through the official website : https://owndoc.shop/

I know I know. It was just 2x the price of the dr pen. the dr pen seemed to get good praise on microneedling threads on this site and elsewhere so I think it'll achieve the same results. I'll be posting my results publicly here so if I fail to get results with the dr pen everyone can watch and take note

I guess your comment was targetting my morphs too. Alright then. Show me examples of non-shitty and realistic morphs. I'm willing to learn and progress.

If his comment was directed towards your morph i'd just ignore it. You did a good job with the details and explaining how to achieve everything, I appreciate the time you put in to it

 

[Gilly998]

one falio is your teeth, improving your teeth will make a much bigger difference than you would expect, by a noticable amount