HGH Cycle Help

[RYVINIXX]

Im gonna take HGH soon, about 5-6 ui for around a year (M16 with opend plates). What else should i stack with HGH? Heard that things like Berberine and Vitamine D3 + K2 are good. Anything else that could be good or to avoid?

 

[funicular]

this is not mine but you should read it​

SIDES - I think I’m not handling my dose very well. What should I do?​

• GH can elevate glucose levels in blood and hurt insulin sensitivity
• If you’re experiencing signs of insulin insensitivity, check your fasted blood glucose levels with a glucose monitor daily, leverage one of the following compounds until glucose levels stabilize at 89 or lower
• berberine 500-2000mg daily
• metformin 500-1500mg daily
• GLP agonist (example: reta 0.1-0.3mg daily)
• SGLT-2 Inhibitor (example: Canagliflozin 100mg daily)
• DPP-4 inhibitor (example: Sitagliptin 100mg daily)
• GH can cause hand numbness / carpal tunnel, which may hurt sleep
• The best solution is to stop using GH
• If you want to continue using GH, you can try a wrist wrap) or discontinue GH until the effect goes away and then resume use
• GH inherently causes water retention, making some users look softer
• It is extremely discouraged to use diuretics due to risk of sudden death, but the reason some individuals prefer certain pharmaceutical HGH products is due to the inclusion of diuretics in their formulation
• I do not provide diuretic dosing for safety reasons
• Natural diuretics such as drinking more water and dandelion root can help mildly
• Water 1.5-2 gallons daily
• Dandelion root 500-4000mg daily

What about organ enlargement?

• This is blown wildly out of proportion for the average user. It is true that the more GH an individual is exposed to, over time, will cause growth everywhere - including the organs
• Understand that professional bodybuilders use dosages as high as 10iu/day (or more) for several years without immediate life-threatening organ enlargement
• Use responsible dosages and the likelihood of such risks will be largely mitigated

What about cancer & tumors?

• HGH will only accelerate cancer/tumor growth if you currently have cancer/tumor(s). If you do not have cancer/tumors, HGH will not cause such things to appear

Why combine with IGF-1 LR3 or IGF-1 DES / PEG-MGF?

• HGH action results in endogenous IGF-1 and MGF, which are bottlenecked genetically, so adding IGF-1 lr3/ des can exceed that limit and yield more gains
• Everyone’s genetic bottleneck cutoff point varies
• Usually, once at HGH 3-5iu/day or more, it’s logical to consider 50-100mcg IGF daily (rotate 50-100mcg MGF every 2-8wks) to break the bottleneck and progress faster

What’s the best way to run IGF-1 and MGF with HGH?

• Consider a “rotation”, only using one of them at a time. Example: 2 weeks on IGF-1 LR3, 2 weeks on PEG-MGF
• Adjust your rotation duration (e.g., swap every 2-8wks) by assessing sensitivity to IGF-1; once sensitivity begins to dwindle significantly, switch to PEG-MGF. This is because IGF-1 outperforms MGF slightly; utilize IGF for as long as possible to maximize results

Will it make me grow taller?

• HGH is prescribed in cases of idiopathic short stature, where a child is anticipated to grow to a complete height that is shorter than the average height of their parents - and successfully results in significant height growth
• The more HGH you use, the more height you can expect (given diminishing returns)
• If your growth plates are sealed, HGH cannot cause height growth

 

[16youngcell]

Monitor glucose levels, get a bloodwork before you hop on. See what your are like 2 weeks in and see if you need to change dosing at all or if anything is wrong. Growth plates are open which is ideal when getting on HGH. Don't use an AI this young, no need since you already have open plates.

 

[RYVINIXX]

this is not mine but you should read it​

SIDES - I think I’m not handling my dose very well. What should I do?​

• GH can elevate glucose levels in blood and hurt insulin sensitivity
• If you’re experiencing signs of insulin insensitivity, check your fasted blood glucose levels with a glucose monitor daily, leverage one of the following compounds until glucose levels stabilize at 89 or lower
• berberine 500-2000mg daily
• metformin 500-1500mg daily
• GLP agonist (example: reta 0.1-0.3mg daily)
• SGLT-2 Inhibitor (example: Canagliflozin 100mg daily)
• DPP-4 inhibitor (example: Sitagliptin 100mg daily)
• GH can cause hand numbness / carpal tunnel, which may hurt sleep
• The best solution is to stop using GH
• If you want to continue using GH, you can try a wrist wrap) or discontinue GH until the effect goes away and then resume use
• GH inherently causes water retention, making some users look softer
• It is extremely discouraged to use diuretics due to risk of sudden death, but the reason some individuals prefer certain pharmaceutical HGH products is due to the inclusion of diuretics in their formulation
• I do not provide diuretic dosing for safety reasons
• Natural diuretics such as drinking more water and dandelion root can help mildly
• Water 1.5-2 gallons daily
• Dandelion root 500-4000mg daily

What about organ enlargement?

• This is blown wildly out of proportion for the average user. It is true that the more GH an individual is exposed to, over time, will cause growth everywhere - including the organs
• Understand that professional bodybuilders use dosages as high as 10iu/day (or more) for several years without immediate life-threatening organ enlargement
• Use responsible dosages and the likelihood of such risks will be largely mitigated

What about cancer & tumors?

• HGH will only accelerate cancer/tumor growth if you currently have cancer/tumor(s). If you do not have cancer/tumors, HGH will not cause such things to appear

Why combine with IGF-1 LR3 or IGF-1 DES / PEG-MGF?

• HGH action results in endogenous IGF-1 and MGF, which are bottlenecked genetically, so adding IGF-1 lr3/ des can exceed that limit and yield more gains
• Everyone’s genetic bottleneck cutoff point varies
• Usually, once at HGH 3-5iu/day or more, it’s logical to consider 50-100mcg IGF daily (rotate 50-100mcg MGF every 2-8wks) to break the bottleneck and progress faster

What’s the best way to run IGF-1 and MGF with HGH?

• Consider a “rotation”, only using one of them at a time. Example: 2 weeks on IGF-1 LR3, 2 weeks on PEG-MGF
• Adjust your rotation duration (e.g., swap every 2-8wks) by assessing sensitivity to IGF-1; once sensitivity begins to dwindle significantly, switch to PEG-MGF. This is because IGF-1 outperforms MGF slightly; utilize IGF for as long as possible to maximize results

Will it make me grow taller?

• HGH is prescribed in cases of idiopathic short stature, where a child is anticipated to grow to a complete height that is shorter than the average height of their parents - and successfully results in significant height growth
• The more HGH you use, the more height you can expect (given diminishing returns)
• If your growth plates are sealed, HGH cannot cause height growth

Thanks

 

[Usama.sg]

yo am also hopping, getting mine tmrw, am 18 growthplates open 177cm long limbs short torso but extremely slow growth (got told had the potential to be way taller by my coach) how mani UI should i dose daily, am thinking about 6UI
and should i take it in the morning or during the night?

 

[sugarinsulinspike]

yo am also hopping, getting mine tmrw, am 18 growthplates open 177cm long limbs short torso but extremely slow growth (got told had the potential to be way taller by my coach) how mani UI should i dose daily, am thinking about 6UI
and should i take it in the morning or during the night?

6 is ideal; do it at night

 

[cometohaunted]

Im gonna take HGH soon, about 5-6 ui for around a year (M16 with opend plates). What else should i stack with HGH? Heard that things like Berberine and Vitamine D3 + K2 are good. Anything else that could be good or to avoid?

Why would you use hgh? It’s completely cope lol there’s only cases of height growth in people with ISS and even then you couldn’t proven the correlation to be causal because they were used in puberty ages when the person with ISS could naturally have just grown, and if it fixed their short stature it would mean the unknown cause of their short stature would logically be GHD or GH axis issues. Theres zero evidence proving HGH to increase you beyond your genetic potential in normal people it just boosts the velocity at which you grow. Not the end outcome

 

[RYVINIXX]

Why would you use hgh? It’s completely cope lol there’s only cases of height growth in people with ISS and even then you couldn’t proven the correlation to be causal because they were used in puberty ages when the person with ISS could naturally have just grown, and if it fixed their short stature it would mean the unknown cause of their short stature would logically be GHD or GH axis issues. Theres zero evidence proving HGH to increase you beyond your genetic potential in normal people it just boosts the velocity at which you grow. Not the end outcome

I never said HGH magically increases height if youre not deficient.

For linear height, i agree it mostly affects growth speed, not final height because thats limited by genetics and growth plates.

What I’m talking about is non plate limited growth like bone width and density, for example your clavicle width and facial bones which can still respond to IGF-1.

So its more complex than just saying "no effect unless youre deficient"

 

[cometohaunted]

I never said HGH magically increases height if youre not deficient.

For linear height, i agree it mostly affects growth speed, not final height because thats limited by genetics and growth plates.

What I’m talking about is non plate limited growth like bone width and density, for example your clavicle width and facial bones which can still respond to IGF-1.

So its more complex than just saying "no effect unless youre deficient"

Well I didn't just restrict it to GHD, I also mentioned GH Axis issues like receptor insensitivity or IGF-1 responses ~ GH as an example of this.

You also didn't really clarify that you was talking about bone density and width specifically so the standard common assumption was just longitudinal bone growth lol

I also don't see the reasoning for why the principle I gave doesn't apply universally, granted that the only distinction is that clavicles and flat bones like the skull use intramembranous ossification and not endochondral ossification (clavs being a hybrid of these 2) which is mainly about width and like you said not plate related, but why would you want thicker clavicles? Wouldn't only the longitudinal growth be the main thing to care about in this case for a wider frame?

 

[RYVINIXX]

Well I didn't just restrict it to GHD, I also mentioned GH Axis issues like receptor insensitivity or IGF-1 responses ~ GH as an example of this.

You also didn't really clarify that you was talking about bone density and width specifically so the standard common assumption was just longitudinal bone growth lol

I also don't see the reasoning for why the principle I gave doesn't apply universally, granted that the only distinction is that clavicles and flat bones like the skull use intramembranous ossification and not endochondral ossification (clavs being a hybrid of these 2) which is mainly about width and like you said not plate related, but why would you want thicker clavicles? Wouldn't only the longitudinal growth be the main thing to care about in this case for a wider frame?

I think the disconnect is that youre treating “frame” as mostly height while im talking about skeletal proportions and robustness.

Longitudinal growth mainly affects height, but clavicle length, rib cage width, and shoulder girdle geometry strongly affect perceived frame and upper body leverage.

So for frame aesthetics, width and bone modeling can matter independently of height.

 

[cometohaunted]

I think the disconnect is that youre treating “frame” as mostly height while im talking about skeletal proportions and robustness.

Longitudinal growth mainly affects height, but clavicle length, rib cage width, and shoulder girdle geometry strongly affect perceived frame and upper body leverage.

So for frame aesthetics, width and bone modeling can matter independently of height.

Yes I'm not necessarily disagreeing, When I said longitudinal growth and frame I was talking about the length of the clavicles so this also was a slight disconnect in the convo.

I thought you was trying to say that you want additional clavicular width so I asked why you'd want that instead of clavicular length. Also thanks for the info I didn't know rib cage width played a substantial role in frame appeal, gtk. We're on the same page now