hgh even worth it?

[zeon35]

Is hgh even worth it in my case? i’m 17 and 6’6 with a decent frame. i’m on reta, ghkcu and mt2. i’m pretty sure my growth plates are still open, just got a lot of bitcoin so idk what other peps to buy atp.

i’d probably do just 4-8ius for a few months

maybe cag or sum, what are yall on?
you can also look at my other post if u want to see what i could improve.

 

[BR32]

Save some height for the rest of us nigga gawdamn

 

[Ahmed88]

No, rep me

Why HGH is cope and will NOT work for you!!!! (HGH USERS GTFIH!!!)

A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections. It won’t. Why? Let’s get into this 1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works 2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show 3. Why HGH does NOT work...

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[LiverLover12]

Is hgh even worth it in my case? i’m 17 and 6’6 with a decent frame. i’m on reta, ghkcu and mt2. i’m pretty sure my growth plates are still open, just got a lot of bitcoin so idk what other peps to buy atp.

i’d probably do just 4-8ius for a few months

maybe cag or sum, what are yall on?
you can also look at my other post if u want to see what i could improve.

hgh-cope

 

[cng]

yes its really worth it, your below average so start blasting high doses !!

 

[LiverLover12]

No, rep me

Why HGH is cope and will NOT work for you!!!! (HGH USERS GTFIH!!!)

A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections. It won’t. Why? Let’s get into this 1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works 2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show 3. Why HGH does NOT work...

looksmax.org

I was just about to share this information but I realized you wrote it. Well written thread

 

[LiverLover12]

yes its really worth it, your below average so start blasting high doses !!

187cm 15y.o. I don't think this is below average height

 

[cng]

187cm 15y.o. I don't think this is below average height

jfl

 

[zeon35]

No, rep me

Why HGH is cope and will NOT work for you!!!! (HGH USERS GTFIH!!!)

A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections. It won’t. Why? Let’s get into this 1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works 2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show 3. Why HGH does NOT work...

looksmax.org

@zargo alr debunked this

 

[zeon35]

@zargo alr debunked this

@zargo alr debunked this

@Zagro **

 

[Ahmed88]

@zargo alr debunked this

What exactly did he debunk?

https://looksmax.org/threads/ahmed88-intellectually-disabled-or-trolling.1889868/post-26425029

 

[zeon35]

yes its really worth it, your below average so start blasting high doses !!

yes i might up it to 15-20ius and start my masai jumps now

 

[LiverLover12]

Refuted independent scientific research

 

[cng]

yes i might up it to 15-20ius and start my masai jumps now

yeah if u arent atleast 7'3 u might aswell rope

 

[zeon35]

What exactly did he debunk?

https://looksmax.org/threads/ahmed88-intellectually-disabled-or-trolling.1889868/post-26425029

i’m not saying that hgh will necessarily make me grow anywhere past my genetical limit, but atleast help me ensure that i maximize it. unlike what u said in your thread, i belive that many people won’t reach there full genetical potential due to many factors . hgh can atleast help,also there are many other benefits to hgh. if u believe hgh is cope do u reccemend any other peps, oils or ect?

 

[zeon35]

yeah if u arent atleast 7'3 u might aswell rope

agreed, going to home depot now for a rope

 

[Ahmed88]

i’m not saying that hgh will necessarily make me grow anywhere past my genetical limit, but atleast help me ensure that i maximize it. unlike what u said in your thread, i belive that many people won’t reach there full genetical potential due to many factors . hgh can atleast help,also there are many other benefits to hgh. if u believe hgh is cope do u reccemend any other peps, oils or ect?

Yes it will maximise what yiu could have done naturally, but also give you diabetes, enlarged nose/ears, edema etc., also large people start getting deformed, due to excess hgh at about 6'7 (kinda) you're 6'6 which is at the edge

I just don't see why you would do hgh at thay height ngl

 

[poaxher]

Is hgh even worth it in my case? i’m 17 and 6’6 with a decent frame. i’m on reta, ghkcu and mt2. i’m pretty sure my growth plates are still open, just got a lot of bitcoin so idk what other peps to buy atp.

i’d probably do just 4-8ius for a few months

maybe cag or sum, what are yall on?
you can also look at my other post if u want to see what i could improve.

At 6'6 if you could get taller itll become a nerf when you are too tall you just look goofy snd its hard to put on muscle the ideal is 6'4 for a guy but its a bell curve with a very sharp incline and decline

 

[zeon35]

Yes it will maximise what yiu could have done naturally, but also give you diabetes, enlarged nose/ears, edema etc., also large people start getting deformed, due to excess hgh at about 6'7 (kinda) you're 6'6 which is at the edge

I just don't see why you would do hgh at thay height ngl

to be fair those side effects are after a long period of time on lots of iu’s. i said that i was considering shorter “cycle” and on a lower dose. i understand where your coming from but i mean i feel like the side effects are negligible compared to the benefits from it. imo,

 

[zeon35]

At 6'6 if you could get taller itll become a nerf when you are too tall you just look goofy snd its hard to put on muscle the ideal is 6'4 for a guy but its a bell curve with a very sharp incline and decline

yeah i mean i agree, but the height benefit from the proposed cycle would be negligible, i was kinda hoping for the other benefits as dreaming for clavicle and facial growth but once again just dreaming about that. i’m just thinking if doing a “cope” peptide like tesa or mk677 (ik not a peptide) would jus be enough

 

[Ahmed88]

to be fair those side effects are after a long period of time on lots of iu’s. i said that i was considering shorter “cycle” and on a lower dose. i understand where your coming from

A ,,short cycle" doesn't exist

i feel like the side effects are negligible compared to the benefits from it. imo,

There's literally no fucking benefits nigga

 

[Zagro]

i’m not saying that hgh will necessarily make me grow anywhere past my genetical limit, but atleast help me ensure that i maximize it. unlike what u said in your thread, i belive that many people won’t reach there full genetical potential due to many factors . hgh can atleast help,also there are many other benefits to hgh. if u believe hgh is cope do u reccemend any other peps, oils or ect?

Explain what your genetic limit is

@Ahmed88 please explain what the genetic limit consist of and what limits you?

Genetic limit doesn’t exist

 

[zeon35]

A ,,short cycle" doesn't exist

There's literally no fucking benefits nigga

6 months?

i guess there’s no benefits dude? with that much rep u think you would be more knowledgeable about hgh. you really had to get “nigga” out to make sure to sound like a real badass incel.

 

[zeon35]

Explain what your genetic limit is

@Ahmed88 please explain what the genetic limit consist of and what limits you?

Genetic limit doesn’t exist

yeah i mean i dont really know much about it, id have to do more research before im debating on the subject. i was just saying im not necessarily completely disagreeing with it due to my lack of understanding with the supposed “genetic limit”

 

[Ahmed88]

Explain what your genetic limit is

@Ahmed88 please explain what the genetic limit consist of and what limits you?

Genetic limit doesn’t exist

Genes set the range
It's not just ,,You will be 180cm"
It's ,,You will be in the range of 172-181cm"
181cm being the genetic limit

Those genes/sequences of DNA are inherited


All this is proven by science

 

[Zagro]

Genes set the range
It's not just ,,You will be 180cm"
It's ,,You will be in the range of 172-181cm"

Those genes/sequences of DNA are inherited

Answer what those genes are?

 

[confirmgy]

Is hgh even worth it in my case? i’m 17 and 6’6 with a decent frame. i’m on reta, ghkcu and mt2. i’m pretty sure my growth plates are still open, just got a lot of bitcoin so idk what other peps to buy atp.

i’d probably do just 4-8ius for a few months

maybe cag or sum, what are yall on?
you can also look at my other post if u want to see what i could improve.

Blast estrogen to close ur growth plates so u don’t get too tall

 

[Ahmed88]

Answer what those genes are?

The Genes for controlling height?
SHOX, ACAN, HMGA2 on top my head, there's mutiple thousands more, regulating how tall you grow

There is a genetic limit to everything

 

[Zagro]

The Genes for controlling height?
SHOX, ACAN, HMGA2 on top my head, there's mutiple thousands more, regulating how tall you grow

There is a genetic limit to everything

You can modulate all of those, also those aren’t the major ones for height specifically

The major ones are even more easy to change like RUNX2, VEGF, SOX9, HDACs, FGFs/FGFRs, MMPs, ILs and more. This is truth to reality you miss.

Take a second to look at what is used as a therapy for SHOX and ACAN deficiency, ps it’s rhGH

So they’re changing their genetics? Because they’re actually genetically deficient but how would rhGH help then it shouldn’t right? Just some logic is enough to fathom that height isn’t set.

Although I would agree that you wont be able to change it majorly after the age of 13, it can be influenced positively up to 2 inches.

 

[abr0812]

Is hgh even worth it in my case? i’m 17 and 6’6 with a decent frame. i’m on reta, ghkcu and mt2. i’m pretty sure my growth plates are still open, just got a lot of bitcoin so idk what other peps to buy atp.

i’d probably do just 4-8ius for a few months

maybe cag or sum, what are yall on?
you can also look at my other post if u want to see what i could improve.

if ur 17 and already on hgh i shld definitely hop on it as a late bloomer 16 yo

 

[Ahmed88]

You can modulate all of those, also those aren’t the major ones for height specifically

I wouldn't call that modulating, you're not changing the genes, you're changing the environment they work in, at most influencing its expression

The major ones are even more easy to change like RUNX2, VEGF, SOX9, HDACs, FGFs/FGFRs, MMPs, ILs and more. This is truth to reality you miss

You can't ,,change" them, you can only upregulate them,

Take a second to look at what is used as a therapy for SHOX and ACAN deficiency, ps it’s rhGH

They're correcting a deficiency, it's a deficiency so genetically he was meant to be taller, the deficiency prevents them from reaching that, injecting hgh brings him to that ,,genetic point"

So they’re changing their genetics? Because they’re actually genetically deficient but how would rhGH help then it shouldn’t right? Just some logic is enough to fathom that height isn’t set.

they aren't "changing their genetics", they are using hgh to do the job their broken genes can't. They're speeding up their growth, to the height the genes set without the deficiency, It’s like using a backup generator

 

[Pearlhtn]

dnr buy hgh to sell to middle schoolers

 

[Zagro]

I wouldn't call that modulating, you're not changing the genes, you're changing the environment they work in, at most influencing its expression

You can't ,,change" them, you can only upregulate them,

They're correcting a deficiency, it's a deficiency so genetically he was meant to be taller, the deficiency prevents them from reaching that, injecting hgh brings him to that ,,genetic point"

they aren't "changing their genetics", they are using hgh to do the job their broken genes can't. They're speeding up their growth, to the height the genes set without the deficiency, It’s like using a backup generator

Upregulating=Changing

You can change quite literally everything but not the literal sequence of your DNA. Receptors, ligands, sensitivity, expression, silencing genes, delaying physiologic processes and more. This is what you can change from your genetic baseline, quite literally changes everything there is.

Their genes are broken>they use rhGH>they change the broken genes=their genes are changed

Deficiencies come from birth, they are genetically set to be deficient.

I don't understand why you would argue further from here honestly

 

[Ahmed88]

Upregulating=Changing

You can change quite literally everything but not the literal sequence of your DNA. Receptors, ligands, sensitivity, expression, silencing genes, delaying physiologic processes and more. This is what you can change from your genetic baseline, quite literally changes everything there is.

Their genes are broken>they use rhGH>they change the broken genes=their genes are changed

Deficiencies come from birth, they are genetically set to be deficient.

I don't understand why you would argue further from here honestly

No, if you drink caffeine, your central nervous system gets upregulated, does that change the CNS?

Another example, would be, if you give a blind man a cane, you don't change his sight, you just bypassed it with an external tool

Defincies come from birth, but that doesn't mean that their whole body is genetically set to be deficient, if one gene is deficient other genes still work normally according to the blueprint designed for your genetic limit

When you inject rhGH to "speed up" SHOX or ACAN or any Gene for that matters, activity, you are forcing these cells to divide faster. You aren't adding more cells; you’re just spending what you were going to reach.

Your genetic limit is a physical cellular battery, every growth playe has finite numbers of pcs

This is a real scientifically proven thing.

(Hayflick Limit)

 

[Zagro]

No, if you drink caffeine, your central nervous system gets upregulated, does that change the CNS?

Another example, would be, if you give a blind man a cane, you don't change his sight, you just bypassed it with an external tool

Defincies come from birth, but that doesn't mean that their whole body is genetically set to be deficient, if one gene is deficient other genes still work normally according to the blueprint designed for your genetic limit

When you inject rhGH to "speed up" SHOX or ACAN or any Gene for that matters, activity, you are forcing these cells to divide faster. You aren't adding more cells; you’re just spending what you were going to reach.

Your genetic limit is a physical cellular battery, every growth playe has finite numbers of pcs

This is a real scientifically proven thing.

(Hayflick Limit)

I love that I can finally like have an actual argument, the aggression from roids was really brutal.

You're missing one thing, you're upregulating CNS right? That means you change how CNS works and how it influences your body. Just like how too high of a CNS load becomes detrimental or how too low also becomes detrimental for your overall capabilities. You're changing how it affects your body essentially.

You give a blind man ( "x" deficient child) a cane (treatment of "x" deficiency"), you bypass something genetic with an external tool (exogenous therapy), not the best analogy here but this is the best i could compare it to.

No you're not only dividing them faster, it doesn't significantly change that, you're missing the point where they are divided more than what your body normally would have. More cells=more growth. You can control how fast the RZ is differentiated, you can increase the proliferation of chondrocytes and delay differentiation of them, and at last you can also increase how much hypertrophic chondrocytes enlarge. Your body responds to signals, it doesn't stop when "x" amount of proliferation rate has been reached, and the "x" amount of proliferation rate is determined by the things that you call genetic and which I said is easy to modify exogenously.

Finite number of proliferating chondrocytes doesn't exist, that is only true for the resting zone. How much chondrocytes are in the later zones; simplified as e.g. proliferating- and hypertrophic-zone are dependent on the signals the resting zone chondrocytes receive.

Why can we make the situation worse but not better, why do you not see that as a possibility, as it sounds very logical to me even though not everything is logical. Estrogen treatment is enough to fully rape your growth for example.

What you're saying is essentially that we can heal a sick poisoned child with an antidote, but we cant improve his baseline condition after he has been healed.

 

[Ahmed88]

You're missing one thing, you're upregulating CNS right? That means you change how CNS works and how it influences your body. Just like how too high of a CNS load becomes detrimental or how too low also becomes detrimental for your overall capabilities. You're changing how it affects your body essentially.

Not changing

No you're not only dividing them faster, it doesn't significantly change that, you're missing the point where they are divided more than what your body normally would have. More cells=more growth. You can control how fast the RZ is differentiated, you can increase the proliferation of chondrocytes and delay differentiation of them, and at last you can also increase how much hypertrophic chondrocytes enlarge. Your body responds to signals, it doesn't stop when "x" amount of proliferation rate has been reached, and the "x" amount of proliferation rate is determined by the things that you call genetic and which I said is easy to modify exogenously.

When you say ,,more cells=more growth", you're ignoring where those cells come from, you aren't creating "more cells" out of thin air, you are simply recruiting from a finite pool faster. Hgh doesn't add more cells it just ,,recruits" cells from the RZ faster
line age research and studies have shown that forcing a higher proliferation rate with gh actually accelerates the aging of the growth plate. By making the cells divide "more than they normally would have" in a short window, you trigger the "exhaustion" phase of the RZ sooner. You reach your final height faster, but you don't the final height,

also delaying differentiation would not work, the DNA Methylation aging still continues, and when it reaches 0, it loses its ability to respond to igf1 and IHH

There are biological "circuit breakers'' when you push the proliferation rate beyond a certain thresholdthe body perceives it as a potential malignancy (cancer) and shuts down the igf1 receptor sensitivity

 

[ersia]

Is hgh even worth it in my case? i’m 17 and 6’6 with a decent frame. i’m on reta, ghkcu and mt2. i’m pretty sure my growth plates are still open, just got a lot of bitcoin so idk what other peps to buy atp.

i’d probably do just 4-8ius for a few months

maybe cag or sum, what are yall on?
you can also look at my other post if u want to see what i could improve.

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[zeon35]

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[ersia]

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