HGH for height

[jonesmc]

Hi, i have been using Mk677 for about 5 months and stopped about a month ago to start hgh. I am using about 3-6ius daily before bed. Should i consider an ai so my growth plates don’t close earlier? I have been thinking about it but don’t want to destroy brain development or bone density. Also in the studies about children with short stature they don’t use ais. Thanks!

 

[Orka]

@Stacyslayerᛉ

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Hi, i have been using Mk677 for about 5 months and stopped about a month ago to start hgh. I am using about 3-6ius daily before bed. Should i consider an ai so my growth plates don’t close earlier? I have been thinking about it but don’t want to destroy brain development or bone density. Also in the studies about children with short stature they don’t use ais. Thanks!

How old + did you grow on MK-677?

 

[jonesmc]

How old + did you grow on MK-677?

17 nearly 18 grew about 1.5cm, im also getting an X-ray next week

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

getting an X-ray next week

Thank God!!!!!!
finally someone that is Heightmaxxing and Checking his state With Bloodworks or Xray checks.

You know it yourself, your probably too old to grow much more, but I guess well see after the Xray comes Back (tag me then).
Also Do 8 units of HGH to get best results.
Its now or never, either you got a very young bone age or you need to Flaatline E2 asap, if the plates are still open.
I personally take 1mg of Arimidex/day, and get my bloods back on monday. Hope for them to be less then 10-15 mg/dl

 

[jonesmc]

Thank God!!!!!!
finally someone that is Heightmaxxing and Checking his state With Bloodworks or Xray checks.

You know it yourself, your probably too old to grow much more, but I guess well see after the Xray comes Back (tag me then).
Also Do 8 units of HGH to get best results.
Its now or never, either you got a very young bone age or you need to Flaatline E2 asap, if the plates are still open.
I personally take 1mg of Arimidex/day, and get my bloods back on monday. Hope for them to be less then 10-15 mg/dl

You think 8 is the best? I am getting my gh from a high quality source (purity 98%, tested it myself) where i pay about 1,5-2$ an iu. I don’t want to post it publicly but can tell you in private message) in my last blood test my estradiol was 20.5. do you think hgh only will close the growth plates prematurely and do you think ais can noticeably destroy brain or bone density? Thanks

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

You think 8 is the best? I am getting my gh from a high quality source (purity 98%, tested it myself) where i pay about 1,5-2$ an iu. I don’t want to post it publicly but can tell you in private message) in my last blood test my estradiol was 20.5. do you think hgh only will close the growth plates prematurely and do you think ais can noticeably destroy brain or bone density? Thanks

it wont destroy your bone, if, it would only inhibit your brain development. also 20 is a bit high, lower to 13-17.
Your HGH is very expensive, try cheaper sources.

 

[jonesmc]

it wont destroy your bone, if, it would only inhibit your brain development. also 20 is a bit high, lower to 13-17.
Your HGH is very expensive, try cheaper sources.

thanks! only use that source because i know about the quality. I’m scared other ones mix it with hcg or test which can lead to growth plates fusion. Do you think not using ais will be a problem when using gh?

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

thanks! only use that source because i know about the quality. I’m scared other ones mix it with hcg or test which can lead to growth plates fusion. Do you think not using ais will be a problem when using gh?

no, but it will pay of in the long run.

 

[jonesmc]

no, but it will pay of in the long run.

All right so it’s not a complete necessity? Where do you source your ais in eu? If you don’t want to say publicly you can tell me private or not at all

 

[ascendantwill]

Hi, i have been using Mk677 for about 5 months and stopped about a month ago to start hgh. I am using about 3-6ius daily before bed. Should i consider an ai so my growth plates don’t close earlier? I have been thinking about it but don’t want to destroy brain development or bone density. Also in the studies about children with short stature they don’t use ais. Thanks!

Rather than arimdex u can use aromasin

 

[jonesmc]

Rather than arimdex u can use aromasin

Thanks what’s the difference? Why do you prefer one over the other?

 

[Zagro]

Thank God!!!!!!
finally someone that is Heightmaxxing and Checking his state With Bloodworks or Xray checks.

You know it yourself, your probably too old to grow much more, but I guess well see after the Xray comes Back (tag me then).
Also Do 8 units of HGH to get best results.
Its now or never, either you got a very young bone age or you need to Flaatline E2 asap, if the plates are still open.
I personally take 1mg of Arimidex/day, and get my bloods back on monday. Hope for them to be less then 10-15 mg/dl

Under around 20pg of e2 is detrimental for bone growth don’t nuke it that low

 

[jonesmc]

Under around 20pg of e2 is detrimental for bone growth don’t nuke it that low

What do you think is ideal?

 

[Greyascension]

Under around 20pg of e2 is detrimental for bone growth don’t nuke it that low

Mine used to be at 10

 

[Craggi]

Thanks what’s the difference? Why do you prefer one over the other?

The difference between arimidex and aromasin is that arimidex inhibits estrodial in the blood which basically blocks estrogen. Aromasin doesn’t block estrogen, it kills it.

Functionally they will both give the same end result, but (very big but), since arimidex will only inhibit estrogen, when you stop you will have a MASSIVE surge of all the left over estrogen in your blood which with very high likelihood will close your plates at your age.

This can be avoided to some degree with tapering of the arimidex through a few weeks, but personally I think it’s a very big and unnecessary risk.

Aromasin also has its downsides, I’d say that the risk of it impacting brain development is much higher since it kills estrogen leaving less for your brain.

I’d summarise it like this:

Aromasin:
+ no risk for bone growth
- potential risk for brain development

Arimidex:
+ less risk for brain development
- far greater risk for plate closure

Personally I’d recommend aromasin or nothing at all since the height pill is brutal (I’m 6’3 but I’ve seen it from others) just don’t overdo the dosage.

 

[jonesmc]

The difference between arimidex and aromasin is that arimidex inhibits estrodial in the blood which basically blocks estrogen. Aromasin doesn’t block estrogen, it kills it.

Functionally they will both give the same end result, but (very big but), since arimidex will only inhibit estrogen, when you stop you will have a MASSIVE surge of all the left over estrogen in your blood which with very high likelihood will close your plates at your age.

This can be avoided to some degree with tapering of the arimidex through a few weeks, but personally I think it’s a very big and unnecessary risk.

Aromasin also has its downsides, I’d say that the risk of it impacting brain development is much higher since it kills estrogen leaving less for your brain.

I’d summarise it like this:

Aromasin:
+ no risk for bone growth
- potential risk for brain development

Arimidex:
+ less risk for brain development
- far greater risk for plate closure

Personally I’d recommend aromasin or nothing at all since the height pill is brutal (I’m 6’3 but I’ve seen it from others) just don’t overdo the dosage.

Thank you! What dosage do you recommend? What do you think about letrozole?

 

[Zagro]

What do you think is ideal?

Around 20pg

Mine used to be at 10

I mean you were lucky in a way, naturally right?

 

[Greyascension]

Around 20pg


I mean you were lucky in a way, naturally right?

No, I crashed it with aromasin

 

[jonesmc]

No, I crashed it with aromasin

Did it work?

 

[Greyascension]

Did it work?

Did what work my dick not working?

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Under around 20pg of e2 is detrimental for bone growth don’t nuke it that low

I know that E2 is important for IGF-1, but if you take exo HGH, how is that a problem?

 

[Zagro]

I know that E2 is important for IGF-1, but if you take exo HGH, how is that a problem?

E2 is partly important for bone health and also growth, pretty sure if you nuke it low enough you wont even be able to grow because estrogen is needed for bone formation, without it you wont really grow nor ossify your plates (it isn’t permanent after some point they will fuse regardless).

 

[0ptimized]

The difference between arimidex and aromasin is that arimidex inhibits estrodial in the blood which basically blocks estrogen. Aromasin doesn’t block estrogen, it kills it.

Functionally they will both give the same end result, but (very big but), since arimidex will only inhibit estrogen, when you stop you will have a MASSIVE surge of all the left over estrogen in your blood which with very high likelihood will close your plates at your age.

This can be avoided to some degree with tapering of the arimidex through a few weeks, but personally I think it’s a very big and unnecessary risk.

Aromasin also has its downsides, I’d say that the risk of it impacting brain development is much higher since it kills estrogen leaving less for your brain.

I’d summarise it like this:

Aromasin:
+ no risk for bone growth
- potential risk for brain development

Arimidex:
+ less risk for brain development
- far greater risk for plate closure

Personally I’d recommend aromasin or nothing at all since the height pill is brutal (I’m 6’3 but I’ve seen it from others) just don’t overdo the dosage.

im currently 15 and a half should i run a low dose of aromasin (5-10mg) and MK 677 (25mg) to kinda safely heightmax?

 

[Craggi]

Thank you! What dosage do you recommend? What do you think about letrozole?

It depends. Your weight could differ your results for example. If your aromasin you could think like this.

I would NOT go above 87.5mg every 2 weeks which is 12.5 EOD.

For most i wouldn’t do an ai, but since you’re a little older you could try and low-dose. The most important part with dosing an AI for mitigating plate closure is to keep levels stable since it isn’t the actual estrogen that closes plates, but rather the sudden surge of estrogen your body releases to signal plate closure, hence why daily or eod dosage is needed.

Your dosage heavily depends on what your estrogen levels are sitting at, since if you are at low estrogen levels naturally, any dosage of ai will undoubtedly cause a crash either way. I would start at 6.25mg eod, and go from there. Remember, this is still a very high dose for being natural and you most likely won’t need any more than this - if any at all.

Letrozole is the strongest ai and I would definitely not recommend it. It has the same downsides as arimidex but is far stronger and you will most likely crash your estrogen with it.

 

[Craggi]

im currently 15 and a half should i run a low dose of aromasin (5-10mg) and MK 677 (25mg) to kinda safely heightmax?

Mk is one of the least safe growth hormone secretagogues since you easily build up insulin resistance + it makes you very hungry = bad combo.

If you truly want to height max I believe hGH is the only route that might actually give you results my friend. Try to find a source for $1> per iu and try to afford doing cycles of 6ius for over 1 year or even more since you’re so young.

I probably wouldn’t do an ai, I’d rather make sure I don’t lose brain capacity than to potentially increase your height just a little. What’s the point of being taller if you’re just a retard lmao.

If you decide to do aromasin either way DO NOT go above 6.25mg EOD unless you also hop on 250mg of testosterone.

 

[Zagro]

Mk is one of the least safe growth hormone secretagogues since you easily build up insulin resistance + it makes you very hungry = bad combo.

If you truly want to height max I believe hGH is the only route that might actually give you results my friend. Try to find a source for $1> per iu and try to afford doing cycles of 6ius for over 1 year or even more since you’re so young.

I probably wouldn’t do an ai, I’d rather make sure I don’t lose brain capacity than to potentially increase your height just a little. What’s the point of being taller if you’re just a retard lmao.

If you decide to do aromasin either way DO NOT go above 6.25mg EOD unless you also hop on 250mg of testosterone.

Dumbass nigga

 

[0ptimized]

Mk is one of the least safe growth hormone secretagogues since you easily build up insulin resistance + it makes you very hungry = bad combo.

If you truly want to height max I believe hGH is the only route that might actually give you results my friend. Try to find a source for $1> per iu and try to afford doing cycles of 6ius for over 1 year or even more since you’re so young.

I probably wouldn’t do an ai, I’d rather make sure I don’t lose brain capacity than to potentially increase your height just a little. What’s the point of being taller if you’re just a retard lmao.

If you decide to do aromasin either way DO NOT go above 6.25mg EOD unless you also hop on 250mg of testosterone.

can't the insulin resistance be prevented?

money isn't the problem the pinning is, quite hard for me to hide the hgh let alone the equipment i need alongside it.

i need that height i live in Norway and its brutal I'm 175 cm and get height mogged everywhere.

 

[0ptimized]

Dumbass nigga

can we normalize explaining instead of spamming slurs?

 

[Zagro]

can we normalize explaining instead of spamming slurs?

No

 

[Zagro]

I would NOT go above 87.5mg every 2 weeks which is 12.5 EOD.

He just needs 6.25mg ED it isn’t that complicated, and bloodwork later on to adjust the dosage to his own response and there you go

For most i wouldn’t do an ai, but since you’re a little older you could try and low-dose. The most important part with dosing an AI for mitigating plate closure is to keep levels stable since it isn’t the actual estrogen that closes plates, but rather the sudden surge of estrogen your body releases to signal plate closure, hence why daily or eod dosage is needed.

Chronological age and ai dosing have no relevance at all if were speaking about brain development its different for everyone his can be far more developed than his peers.

“Is isn’t estrogen that closes plates but it is the estrogen that closes plates” , your body doesn’t immediately ossify your epiphyseal plates with a singular estrogen-rebound or spike it needs some constant exposure to it which kinda happens when theres too much estrogen circulating in your blood, it goes much deeper than this too as even aromasin isn’t enough to fully prevent premature fusion.

If you want stable bloods daily is the way to go why would you even consider EOD?

Your dosage heavily depends on what your estrogen levels are sitting at, since if you are at low estrogen levels naturally, any dosage of ai will undoubtedly cause a crash either way. I would start at 6.25mg eod, and go from there. Remember, this is still a very high dose for being natural and you most likely won’t need any more than this - if any at all.

How sensitive you are to aromatisation matters most and your baseline of e2 could only tell you a little bit but not enough to adjust your dosages, and any dosage crashing your e2 is a fucking joke hopefully . 6.25mg ED is a classic beginner dose and he will be on 6ius of hGH not natural.

Letrozole is the strongest ai and I would definitely not recommend it. It has the same downsides as arimidex but is far stronger and you will most likely crash your estrogen with it.

If you aren’t a retard and learn about the dosages you wont crash your e2 and you don’t instantly crash your e2 with a more potent aromatase inhibitor its mostly dose-dependent.

If you truly want to height max I believe hGH is the only route that might actually give you results my friend. Try to find a source for $1> per iu and try to afford doing cycles of 6ius for over 1 year or even more since you’re so young.

There are so many ways and things that synergise with hGH or are better than it.

I probably wouldn’t do an ai, I’d rather make sure I don’t lose brain capacity than to potentially increase your height just a little. What’s the point of being taller if you’re just a retard lmao.

If you decide to do aromasin either way DO NOT go above 6.25mg EOD unless you also hop on 250mg of testosterone.

No aromatase inhibitors=premature fusion/shorter adult height there are many others pathways that fuck you up because of the increase of estrogen.

You don’t instantly become a retard on aromatase inhibitor lol

What is the correlation between aromasin usage and needing 250mg test

@0ptimized are you happy now to see how retarded he is

 

[0ptimized]

He just needs 6.25mg ED it isn’t that complicated, and bloodwork later on to adjust the dosage to his own response and there you go


Chronological age and ai dosing have no relevance at all if were speaking about brain development its different for everyone his can be far more developed than his peers.

“Is isn’t estrogen that closes plates but it is the estrogen that closes plates” , your body doesn’t immediately ossify your epiphyseal plates with a singular estrogen-rebound or spike it needs some constant exposure to it which kinda happens when theres too much estrogen circulating in your blood, it goes much deeper than this too as even aromasin isn’t enough to fully prevent premature fusion.

If you want stable bloods daily is the way to go why would you even consider EOD?


How sensitive you are to aromatisation matters most and your baseline of e2 could only tell you a little bit but not enough to adjust your dosages, and any dosage crashing your e2 is a fucking joke hopefully . 6.25mg ED is a classic beginner dose and he will be on 6ius of hGH not natural.


If you aren’t a retard and learn about the dosages you wont crash your e2 and you don’t instantly crash your e2 with a more potent aromatase inhibitor its mostly dose-dependent.


There are so many ways and things that synergise with hGH or are better than it.


No aromatase inhibitors=premature fusion/shorter adult height there are many others pathways that fuck you up because of the increase of estrogen.

You don’t instantly become a retard on aromatase inhibitor lol

What is the correlation between aromasin usage and 250mg test

@0ptimized are you happy now to see how retarded he is

thanks for the explanation good sir

you mentioned that there are things better then HGH what would that be?

really trying to figure out how i can max out my height.

 

[Zagro]

thanks for the explanation good sir

you mentioned that there are things better then HGH what would that be?

really trying to figure out how i can max out my height.

No problem man and there are hundreds of things that synergise with hGH but if you’re asking what in particular is better i would say things like infigratinib, romosozumab/abaloparatide, strontium ranelate etc are all superior but have high side effect profiles, only one tolerable here might be abaloparatide.

Also hGH should be always a base when you make a “heightmaxxing’ stack so you should add things that synergise with it on top

 

[Craggi]

He just needs 6.25mg ED it isn’t that complicated, and bloodwork later on to adjust the dosage to his own response and there you go

sure, but it depends on how he responds to it, there isn't any clinical evidence displaying how much estrogen suppression you would get with that dose but based on what we do know (25mg/day = 80-90% suppression, 12.5mg/day = 50-70% suppression) it's pretty safe to say that a good estimate with using this dosage is a suppression of 20-40% but any exact number isn't possible to say since it varies A LOT.

If this guy were to get a 40% suppression of estrogen it will probably lead to side effects which I personally wouldn't want. I gave him a number so that he doesn't just take what I said at face value but can make up his own mind about what drugs he puts into his body.

and bloodwork later on to adjust the dosage to his own response and there you go

agreed, but most people won't get bloods and will instead blindly trust what you say

Chronological age and ai dosing have no relevance at all if were speaking about brain development its different for everyone his can be far more developed than his peers.

Well obviously bone age and chronological age are usually correlated which I hope you know, if he truly wants to max his height he should be using an ai to extend his growth window.

I said that MY recommendation is to NOT do an ai when you're actively growing still, say 14-16/17 since you probably wouldn't be knowing what you're doing. Obviously he wouldn't want to impact his brain development either, hence the reference. Since he is older, he probably would be knowing what he's doing but is also probably on his last chance of growing.

“Is isn’t estrogen that closes plates but it is the estrogen that closes plates” , your body doesn’t immediately ossify your epiphyseal plates with a singular estrogen-rebound or spike it needs some constant exposure to it which kinda happens when theres too much estrogen circulating in your blood, it goes much deeper than this too as even aromasin isn’t enough to fully prevent premature fusion.

Of course it wouldn't immediately ossify the plates but the risk is elevated based on this: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.121180498?utm_source

It won't fuse the plates immediately but why take the risk of a faster closure?

it goes much deeper than this too as even aromasin isn’t enough to fully prevent premature fusion.

of course not since the human body needs estrogen to function, you could fully prevent premature fusion with aromasin but it would also result in your death

If you want stable bloods daily is the way to go why would you even consider EOD?

for arimidex it wouldn't make a very significant difference between ED and EOD since the half life is longer, it's mostly for when you want to micro-dose, it's almost impossible to consistently do 1/8 or even 1/4 of a pill, I've tried, hence my recommendation of EOD if you were to run in to this issue

How sensitive you are to aromatisation matters most and your baseline of e2 could only tell you a little bit but not enough to adjust your dosages, and any dosage crashing your e2 is a fucking joke hopefully . 6.25mg ED is a classic beginner dose and he will be on 6ius of hGH not natural.

Yes what? How sensitive you are to aromatisation will depict your baseline e2?????

If you sit at 20pg/ml naturally and use 6.25mg aromasin ED or EOD, you will crash your estrogen, so yes. If you aromatise minimally naturally then it will crash your levels obviously

6.25mg ED is a classic beginner dose and he will be on 6ius of hGH not natural.

I've never said it's bad, just gave my recommendation. hGH will increase igf-1 -> increase estradiol in bone and fat tissue but will also increase SHBG -> more bound testosterone = less free testosterone available for aromatization.

This will result in slightly higher estrogen levels but nothing like you e2 levels with testosterone, that's why I said natural.

If you aren’t a retard and learn about the dosages you wont crash your e2 and you don’t instantly crash your e2 with a more potent aromatase inhibitor its mostly dose-dependent.

yes of course not but most people WON'T do this and also, like I stated above, splitting those tablets into such teeny tiny parts is extremely difficult to consistently get precisely, especially with this drug which you almost always have to split into 1/4 pill>

There are so many ways and things that synergise with hGH or are better than it.

yes but have you ever come across a supplier for such compounds? I sure haven't, I'd rather do hgh anyway + they're hella expensive and I haven't heard any anecdotal results from anything other than hgh for height

No aromatase inhibitors=premature fusion/shorter adult height there are many others pathways that fuck you up because of the increase of estrogen.

I can't even understand what ts means

You don’t instantly become a retard on aromatase inhibitor lol

well, no, but without the iq pill you probably won't get very far in life since you also won't have the iq to ascend, to me your intelligence is the most important thing you have so why risk it?

What is the correlation between aromasin usage and needing 250mg test

to increase e2 so that you can have an easier time dosing your ai lmao + more gains which never is bad

@0ptimized are you happy now to see how retarded he is

why would you call me a retard, many of the thing you stated are put out of context and without the full explanation since I just gave my recommendation in a pretty short explanation

 

[Zagro]

sure, but it depends on how he responds to it, there isn't any clinical evidence displaying how much estrogen suppression you would get with that dose but based on what we do know (25mg/day = 80-90% suppression, 12.5mg/day = 50-70% suppression) it's pretty safe to say that a good estimate with using this dosage is a suppression of 20-40% but any exact number isn't possible to say since it varies A LOT.

If this guy were to get a 40% suppression of estrogen it will probably lead to side effects which I personally wouldn't want. I gave him a number so that he doesn't just take what I said at face value but can make up his own mind about what drugs he puts into his body.

agreed, but most people won't get bloods and will instead blindly trust what you say

Well obviously bone age and chronological age are usually correlated which I hope you know, if he truly wants to max his height he should be using an ai to extend his growth window.

I said that MY recommendation is to NOT do an ai when you're actively growing still, say 14-16/17 since you probably wouldn't be knowing what you're doing. Obviously he wouldn't want to impact his brain development either, hence the reference. Since he is older, he probably would be knowing what he's doing but is also probably on his last chance of growing.

Of course it wouldn't immediately ossify the plates but the risk is elevated based on this: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.121180498?utm_source

It won't fuse the plates immediately but why take the risk of a faster closure?

of course not since the human body needs estrogen to function, you could fully prevent premature fusion with aromasin but it would also result in your death

for arimidex it wouldn't make a very significant difference between ED and EOD since the half life is longer, it's mostly for when you want to micro-dose, it's almost impossible to consistently do 1/8 or even 1/4 of a pill, I've tried, hence my recommendation of EOD if you were to run in to this issue

Yes what? How sensitive you are to aromatisation will depict your baseline e2?????

If you sit at 20pg/ml naturally and use 6.25mg aromasin ED or EOD, you will crash your estrogen, so yes. If you aromatise minimally naturally then it will crash your levels obviously



I've never said it's bad, just gave my recommendation. hGH will increase igf-1 -> increase estradiol in bone and fat tissue but will also increase SHBG -> more bound testosterone = less free testosterone available for aromatization.

This will result in slightly higher estrogen levels but nothing like you e2 levels with testosterone, that's why I said natural.

yes of course not but most people WON'T do this and also, like I stated above, splitting those tablets into such teeny tiny parts is extremely difficult to consistently get precisely, especially with this drug which you almost always have to split into 1/4 pill>

yes but have you ever come across a supplier for such compounds? I sure haven't, I'd rather do hgh anyway + they're hella expensive and I haven't heard any anecdotal results from anything other than hgh for height

I can't even understand what ts means


well, no, but without the iq pill you probably won't get very far in life since you also won't have the iq to ascend, to me your intelligence is the most important thing you have so why risk it?


to increase e2 so that you can have an easier time dosing your ai lmao + more gains which never is bad

why would you call me a retard, many of the thing you stated are put out of context and without the full explanation since I just gave my recommendation in a pretty short explanation

Nice ChatGPT study bro

https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.121180498?utm_source

I’m laughing my ass off right now I’ll write a reply to your GPT ass response soon

This is the correct link just so you know: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.121180498

 

[lightningspeedd]

Hi, i have been using Mk677 for about 5 months and stopped about a month ago to start hgh. I am using about 3-6ius daily before bed. Should i consider an ai so my growth plates don’t close earlier? I have been thinking about it but don’t want to destroy brain development or bone density. Also in the studies about children with short stature they don’t use ais. Thanks!

bro tell us age and height

 

[Zagro]

sure, but it depends on how he responds to it, there isn't any clinical evidence displaying how much estrogen suppression you would get with that dose but based on what we do know (25mg/day = 80-90% suppression, 12.5mg/day = 50-70% suppression) it's pretty safe to say that a good estimate with using this dosage is a suppression of 20-40% but any exact number isn't possible to say since it varies A LOT.

Okay did you even try to comprehend what I wrote? I stated that dosage should be based off how he responds and you can't just make estimations with how much percentage is suppresses that's incredibly stupid if you don't even know the individual's baseline e2, a 40% reduction on someone with 50pg baseline and a 40% reduction on someone with 20pg baseline will cause completely different things.

If this guy were to get a 40% suppression of estrogen it will probably lead to side effects which I personally wouldn't want. I gave him a number so that he doesn't just take what I said at face value but can make up his own mind about what drugs he puts into his body.

A 40% suppresion of e2 levels will not lead to side effects what jfl just tell me you haven't ever used aromatase inhibitors, and again this is fully based on the individuals baseline 2 levels, 40% reduction on someone with 15pg baseline sure they might experience some joint pain, is that scary for you? I wouldn't take advice from someone with 0 knowledge nor experience honestly

agreed, but most people won't get bloods and will instead blindly trust what you say

Okay? How does this matter, "most people won't get bloodwork so you aren't correct" and what do you mean with blindly trust what you say? I literally stated that he should get bloodwork to adjust the dosages. Do you have dyslexia?

Well obviously bone age and chronological age are usually correlated which I hope you know, if he truly wants to max his height he should be using an ai to extend his growth window.

They aren't fully correlated you idiot that's why people go through things like puberty at different ages, that's why some people's epiphyseal plates ossify earlier, that's why people can be at different tanner ages at the same chronological age. This is like saying that everyone stops growing at 16 and dies at 80, these are never guaranteed its just based off the average and if this isn't the case with OP he will suffer from it by missing out chances.

Did you even read your own post? You were the one telling him not to take an aromatase inhibitor just so you know I never discouraged the usage of AI jfl.

I said that MY recommendation is to NOT do an ai when you're actively growing still, say 14-16/17 since you probably wouldn't be knowing what you're doing. Obviously he wouldn't want to impact his brain development either, hence the reference. Since he is older, he probably would be knowing what he's doing but is also probably on his last chance of growing.

Okay so you'd prefer that he'd take an aromatase inhibitor after he stops growing, you did add on it being his last chance then why not use it faggot? Okay so again you're assuming that everyone at 14-17 doesn't have the right mind to make choices like using a fucking aromatase inhibitor? If you're an actual retarded and immature sure and 14 to 17 even by your logic have insanely big differences someone that's 14 and 17 aren't the same whatsoever and it barely has any effect when you're already on the verge of epiphyseal closure.

Of course it wouldn't immediately ossify the plates but the risk is elevated based on this: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.121180498?utm_source

What are you trying to tell me with this study you've found with GPT? That estrogen is the main driver of epiphyseal plate ossification? No wayyy bro really??? Did I ever say estrogen doesn't ossify plates? No, you are the one telling him not to use it lol.

of course not since the human body needs estrogen to function, you could fully prevent premature fusion with aromasin but it would also result in your death

Yeah bro exactly we're all going to die off aromasin , take 3 pills a day and maybe you'll die cause estrogen is important for many bodily functions but we aren't nuking it remember? 6.25mg won't kill you

for arimidex it wouldn't make a very significant difference between ED and EOD since the half life is longer, it's mostly for when you want to micro-dose, it's almost impossible to consistently do 1/8 or even 1/4 of a pill, I've tried, hence my recommendation of EOD if you were to run in to this issue

It will make a difference but not significant yeah? What's your point lol muhh it wont be significant, but it will still be better than EOD dosing and it isn't an injection its a fucking pill that you take orally not anally I suppose any human with the right amount of chromosomes could do this. Okay so there's this insane invention which you might've not heard of, pill cutters! So dude you put the pill in right and then you close that damn thing and boom the pill gets split by the razor insane, craazzy right? So then you put the 1/2 of the pill again and boom you have 1/4th of a pill . Did you try it with a vitamin d pill? Craazzyy dangerous dude its toxic and all that you could even die perchance if you overdose on it.

Yes what? How sensitive you are to aromatisation will depict your baseline e2?????

Okay so read it again "How sensitive you are to aromatisation matters most and your baseline of e2 could only tell you a little bit but not enough to adjust your dosages, and any dosage crashing your e2 is a fucking joke hopefully . 6.25mg ED is a classic beginner dose and he will be on 6ius of hGH not natural." I state here that your sensitivity to aromatisation matters most and your baseline e2 only will tell you slightly about how you'll tolerate it (it being aromasin if you can't understand that).

If you sit at 20pg/ml naturally and use 6.25mg aromasin ED or EOD, you will crash your estrogen, so yes. If you aromatise minimally naturally then it will crash your levels obviously

Yeah bro we're all nuking or e2 levels with 6.25 EOD hell yeah! You know that rhGH actually causes aromatisation right and the IGF-1 hypertrophies your chondrocytes guess what that means, ask that to chatgpt next time! Without an aromatase inhibitor you won't be able to efficiently use rhGH without any detrimental effects.

to increase e2 so that you can have an easier time dosing your ai lmao + more gains which never is bad

"Lets increase what we're trying to inhibit so we can use higher doses! and also have more androgenic load and more aromatisation!" You know that androgen also contribute to closure partly right? And that even aromasin isn't enough to fully prevent epiphyseal plate ossification via estrogen cause guess what lowering your circulating e2 levels isn't the same as locally inhibiting it on bone.

well, no, but without the iq pill you probably won't get very far in life since you also won't have the iq to ascend, to me your intelligence is the most important thing you have so why risk it?

Yeah well I use aromatase inhibitors and tren so I should be a retard right? Somehow I can still point out multiple faults in your argument, get good grades, focus and concentrate the same etc and I somehow am more knowledgeable on many topic compared to you brutal that a retard has to educate you on these things

yes but have you ever come across a supplier for such compounds? I sure haven't, I'd rather do hgh anyway + they're hella expensive and I haven't heard any anecdotal results from anything other than hgh for height

Took me only a little bit of research and I have sources for almost every single compound for prices lower than rhGH with COAs, "I didn't find a source so it should be hard to find one eheheheh" you aren't even on creatine let alone breast cancer meds so no worries bro.

why would you call me a retard, many of the thing you stated are put out of context and without the full explanation since I just gave my recommendation in a pretty short explanation

You're a disappointment bro but this is common actions for a grey so its not shocking to see and you are indeed a retard just to have you comprehend that at the least. Read this again and again till you understand it or print it out on some big ass papers and take a second look at it that might help considering your dyslexia because you keep pointing out the obvious and speak on things I haven't even mentioned, and don't reply to this cause its a fucking waste of time, if I wanted to argue with ChatGPT responses I can just go on the website itself

 

[jonesmc]

Thank God!!!!!!
finally someone that is Heightmaxxing and Checking his state With Bloodworks or Xray checks.

You know it yourself, your probably too old to grow much more, but I guess well see after the Xray comes Back (tag me then).
Also Do 8 units of HGH to get best results.
Its now or never, either you got a very young bone age or you need to Flaatline E2 asap, if the plates are still open.
I personally take 1mg of Arimidex/day, and get my bloods back on monday. Hope for them to be less then 10-15 mg/dl

At the Moment im Not on hgh anymore because there was a shipping Problem but it should arrive and day

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

At the Moment im Not on hgh anymore because there was a shipping Problem but it should arrive and day

nice growthplates, seems like you still got a little bit of time left.

 

[jonesmc]

nice growthplates, seems like you still got a little bit of time left.

Thanks bro. Do you think you can tell if growth plates in knees are still open from the hand xray. I thought about getting another from the legs. Do you think I should start now with low dose ai and how much hgh would you recommend?

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Thanks bro. Do you think you can tell if growth plates in knees are still open from the hand xray. I thought about getting another from the legs. Do you think I should start now with low dose ai and how much hgh would you recommend?

Start mid-high dose AI (do bloods) and take around 6+ IU hgh. Usually the plates in hands close sooner so you should be good.

 

[jonesmc]

Start mid-high dose AI (do bloods) and take around 6+ IU hgh. Usually the plates in hands close sooner so you should be good.

Thanks! So about 12.5 Aromasin?

 

[Deleted member 240816]

Thank God!!!!!!
finally someone that is Heightmaxxing and Checking his state With Bloodworks or Xray checks.

You know it yourself, your probably too old to grow much more, but I guess well see after the Xray comes Back (tag me then).
Also Do 8 units of HGH to get best results.
Its now or never, either you got a very young bone age or you need to Flaatline E2 asap, if the plates are still open.
I personally take 1mg of Arimidex/day, and get my bloods back on monday. Hope for them to be less then 10-15 mg/dl

i thought hgh was not that needed since it wont make u grow taller if u dont have a degiciency am i wrong? just taking arimidex/aromasin/letrozol should be enough imo.

i checked my plates and they were wide open (3-4 months ago) im on aromasin for a week i will get a bloodwork for e2 soob

 

[Zagro]

i thought hgh was not that needed since it wont make u grow taller if u dont have a degiciency am i wrong? just taking arimidex/aromasin/letrozol should be enough imo.

i checked my plates and they were wide open (3-4 months ago) im on aromasin for a week i will get a bloodwork for e2 soob

What are you even saying blud

 

[profilz]

Okay did you even try to comprehend what I wrote? I stated that dosage should be based off how he responds and you can't just make estimations with how much percentage is suppresses that's incredibly stupid if you don't even know the individual's baseline e2, a 40% reduction on someone with 50pg baseline and a 40% reduction on someone with 20pg baseline will cause completely different things.

A 40% suppresion of e2 levels will not lead to side effects what jfl just tell me you haven't ever used aromatase inhibitors, and again this is fully based on the individuals baseline 2 levels, 40% reduction on someone with 15pg baseline sure they might experience some joint pain, is that scary for you? I wouldn't take advice from someone with 0 knowledge nor experience honestly

Okay? How does this matter, "most people won't get bloodwork so you aren't correct" and what do you mean with blindly trust what you say? I literally stated that he should get bloodwork to adjust the dosages. Do you have dyslexia?

They aren't fully correlated you idiot that's why people go through things like puberty at different ages, that's why some people's epiphyseal plates ossify earlier, that's why people can be at different tanner ages at the same chronological age. This is like saying that everyone stops growing at 16 and dies at 80, these are never guaranteed its just based off the average and if this isn't the case with OP he will suffer from it by missing out chances.

Did you even read your own post? You were the one telling him not to take an aromatase inhibitor just so you know I never discouraged the usage of AI jfl.

Okay so you'd prefer that he'd take an aromatase inhibitor after he stops growing, you did add on it being his last chance then why not use it faggot? Okay so again you're assuming that everyone at 14-17 doesn't have the right mind to make choices like using a fucking aromatase inhibitor? If you're an actual retarded and immature sure and 14 to 17 even by your logic have insanely big differences someone that's 14 and 17 aren't the same whatsoever and it barely has any effect when you're already on the verge of epiphyseal closure.

What are you trying to tell me with this study you've found with GPT? That estrogen is the main driver of epiphyseal plate ossification? No wayyy bro really??? Did I ever say estrogen doesn't ossify plates? No, you are the one telling him not to use it lol.

Yeah bro exactly we're all going to die off aromasin , take 3 pills a day and maybe you'll die cause estrogen is important for many bodily functions but we aren't nuking it remember? 6.25mg won't kill you


It will make a difference but not significant yeah? What's your point lol muhh it wont be significant, but it will still be better than EOD dosing and it isn't an injection its a fucking pill that you take orally not anally I suppose any human with the right amount of chromosomes could do this. Okay so there's this insane invention which you might've not heard of, pill cutters! So dude you put the pill in right and then you close that damn thing and boom the pill gets split by the razor insane, craazzy right? So then you put the 1/2 of the pill again and boom you have 1/4th of a pill . Did you try it with a vitamin d pill? Craazzyy dangerous dude its toxic and all that you could even die perchance if you overdose on it.

Okay so read it again "How sensitive you are to aromatisation matters most and your baseline of e2 could only tell you a little bit but not enough to adjust your dosages, and any dosage crashing your e2 is a fucking joke hopefully . 6.25mg ED is a classic beginner dose and he will be on 6ius of hGH not natural." I state here that your sensitivity to aromatisation matters most and your baseline e2 only will tell you slightly about how you'll tolerate it (it being aromasin if you can't understand that).


Yeah bro we're all nuking or e2 levels with 6.25 EOD hell yeah! You know that rhGH actually causes aromatisation right and the IGF-1 hypertrophies your chondrocytes guess what that means, ask that to chatgpt next time! Without an aromatase inhibitor you won't be able to efficiently use rhGH without any detrimental effects.


"Lets increase what we're trying to inhibit so we can use higher doses! and also have more androgenic load and more aromatisation!" You know that androgen also contribute to closure partly right? And that even aromasin isn't enough to fully prevent epiphyseal plate ossification via estrogen cause guess what lowering your circulating e2 levels isn't the same as locally inhibiting it on bone.


Yeah well I use aromatase inhibitors and tren so I should be a retard right? Somehow I can still point out multiple faults in your argument, get good grades, focus and concentrate the same etc and I somehow am more knowledgeable on many topic compared to you brutal that a retard has to educate you on these things


Took me only a little bit of research and I have sources for almost every single compound for prices lower than rhGH with COAs, "I didn't find a source so it should be hard to find one eheheheh" you aren't even on creatine let alone breast cancer meds so no worries bro.


You're a disappointment bro but this is common actions for a grey so its not shocking to see and you are indeed a retard just to have you comprehend that at the least. Read this again and again till you understand it or print it out on some big ass papers and take a second look at it that might help considering your dyslexia because you keep pointing out the obvious and speak on things I haven't even mentioned, and don't reply to this cause its a fucking waste of time, if I wanted to argue with ChatGPT responses I can just go on the website itself

I’m 17 and am about to start taking 6-8 iu of hgh every day and considering taking 300 test soon, if I do hop on test, do you recomend aromasin or arimidex and what dosing and frequency if I just want to minimize estrogen side effects and possibly delay growth plate closure while minimizing any negative effect on brain development and IQ

 

[profilz]

sure, but it depends on how he responds to it, there isn't any clinical evidence displaying how much estrogen suppression you would get with that dose but based on what we do know (25mg/day = 80-90% suppression, 12.5mg/day = 50-70% suppression) it's pretty safe to say that a good estimate with using this dosage is a suppression of 20-40% but any exact number isn't possible to say since it varies A LOT.

If this guy were to get a 40% suppression of estrogen it will probably lead to side effects which I personally wouldn't want. I gave him a number so that he doesn't just take what I said at face value but can make up his own mind about what drugs he puts into his body.

agreed, but most people won't get bloods and will instead blindly trust what you say

Well obviously bone age and chronological age are usually correlated which I hope you know, if he truly wants to max his height he should be using an ai to extend his growth window.

I said that MY recommendation is to NOT do an ai when you're actively growing still, say 14-16/17 since you probably wouldn't be knowing what you're doing. Obviously he wouldn't want to impact his brain development either, hence the reference. Since he is older, he probably would be knowing what he's doing but is also probably on his last chance of growing.

Of course it wouldn't immediately ossify the plates but the risk is elevated based on this: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.121180498?utm_source

It won't fuse the plates immediately but why take the risk of a faster closure?

of course not since the human body needs estrogen to function, you could fully prevent premature fusion with aromasin but it would also result in your death

for arimidex it wouldn't make a very significant difference between ED and EOD since the half life is longer, it's mostly for when you want to micro-dose, it's almost impossible to consistently do 1/8 or even 1/4 of a pill, I've tried, hence my recommendation of EOD if you were to run in to this issue

Yes what? How sensitive you are to aromatisation will depict your baseline e2?????

If you sit at 20pg/ml naturally and use 6.25mg aromasin ED or EOD, you will crash your estrogen, so yes. If you aromatise minimally naturally then it will crash your levels obviously



I've never said it's bad, just gave my recommendation. hGH will increase igf-1 -> increase estradiol in bone and fat tissue but will also increase SHBG -> more bound testosterone = less free testosterone available for aromatization.

This will result in slightly higher estrogen levels but nothing like you e2 levels with testosterone, that's why I said natural.

yes of course not but most people WON'T do this and also, like I stated above, splitting those tablets into such teeny tiny parts is extremely difficult to consistently get precisely, especially with this drug which you almost always have to split into 1/4 pill>

yes but have you ever come across a supplier for such compounds? I sure haven't, I'd rather do hgh anyway + they're hella expensive and I haven't heard any anecdotal results from anything other than hgh for height

I can't even understand what ts means


well, no, but without the iq pill you probably won't get very far in life since you also won't have the iq to ascend, to me your intelligence is the most important thing you have so why risk it?


to increase e2 so that you can have an easier time dosing your ai lmao + more gains which never is bad

why would you call me a retard, many of the thing you stated are put out of context and without the full explanation since I just gave my recommendation in a pretty short explanation

I’m 17 and am about to start taking 6-8 iu of hgh every day and considering taking 300 test soon, if I do hop on test, do you recomend aromasin or arimidex and what dosing and frequency if I just want to minimize estrogen side effects and possibly delay growth plate closure while minimizing any negative effect on brain development and IQ

 

[Craggi]

I’m 17 and am about to start taking 6-8 iu of hgh every day and considering taking 300 test soon, if I do hop on test, do you recomend aromasin or arimidex and what dosing and frequency if I just want to minimize estrogen side effects and possibly delay growth plate closure while minimizing any negative effect on brain development and IQ

If you do test then yes I would do aromasin, probably 12.5mg ED with that dose but you should experiment with what works best for you.

If your only goal is to mitigate estrogenic side effects then 6.25mg ED is enough but you probably won’t need an ai anyway. 12.5mg is overdoing unless you want to mitigate plate closure.