HGH or test

[IamMelonMan]

Is HGH or Test better, HGH is way more expensive, dk if its worth it for most people imo

 

[farfr0m_4dam]

Depends what you want

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

Is HGH or Test better, HGH is way more expensive, dk if its worth it for most people imo

hgh alone won't do much, test alone will always work

 

[SoundnVision]

Clomid with hgh if you care about feeling good

If you just want pure size and don't care about sides then 600mg test E

 

[IamMelonMan]

Depends what you want

Yeah I prolly should've specified, Muscle and Frame growth

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

Yeah I prolly should've specified, Muscle and Frame growth

test/tren/hgh

 

[Chm]

Clomid with hgh if you care about feeling good

If you just want pure size and don't care about sides then 600mg test E

clomid for feeling good is hysterical

it was causing mania and making ppl kill themselves so it got largely phased out and enclomiphene is the replacement
(essentially the same thing just without the zoo-clomiphene molecule)

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/a-look-at-reversible-clomiphene-associated-manic-episodes

 

[craniofacialanatomy]

theyre very different, but i think test mogs hgh hard. You could just cycle bith

 

[SoundnVision]

clomid for feeling good is hysterical

it was causing mania and making ppl kill themselves so it got largely phased out and enclomiphene is the replacement
(essentially the same thing just without the zoo-clomiphene molecule)

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/a-look-at-reversible-clomiphene-associated-manic-episodes

Ok tamoxifen then + HCG

 

[Chm]

Ok tamoxifen then + HCG

test and hcg if you really insist

but you do understand that manual stimulation of the testes (with hcg) would halt signaling to the pituitary to produce its own LH/FSH the testosterone precursors

just taking test will skip all the organ strain and is far more sustainable than any choice of perma pct ur choose

15.4k posts just buzzwords.. jfl get iq mogged to gandy

 

[SoundnVision]

test and hcg if you really insist

but you do understand that manual stimulation of the testes (with hcg) would halt signaling to the pituitary to produce its own LH/FSH the testosterone precursors

just taking test will skip all the organ strain and is far more sustainable than any choice of perma pct ur choose

15.4k posts just buzzwords.. jfl get iq mogged to gandy

I'm just giving my own honest advice based on my own experience I'm not trying to have an IQ mog battle.Ive tried everything over my life.
I never feel as good on test as I do natty, maybe he will.Regardless of that I said if he just cares about size and nothing else health related just do 600mg test for 12 weeks

It's nothing to do with estrogen being high either because I had it measured.Some men just don't feel good on it and go back to natty and I'm one of them.

He's also young and if he does 1 cycle he will probably be on for life because roids are addictive mentally especially to fucking users here who mostly have some form of BDD or other mental health issues.

 

[Chm]

I'm just giving my own honest advice based on my own experience I'm not trying to have an IQ mog battle.Ive tried everything over my life.
I never feel as good on test as I do natty, maybe he will.Regardless of that I said if he just cares about size and nothing else health related just do 600mg test for 12 weeks

It's nothing to do with estrogen being high either because I had it measured.Some men just don't feel good on it and go back to natty and I'm one of them.

He's also young and if he does 1 cycle he will probably be on for life because roids are addictive mentally especially to fucking users here who mostly have some form of BDD or other mental health issues.

what makes you choose 600mg? he could do 250 for like a year or 2 and maybe he wouldn't feel like shit and would def make more gains with 2 years supra levels than 12 weeks

it seems like you haven't been responsible with your use and you had a bad time, that is unfortunate but doesn't qualify you to give advice

i saw no mention of age in OP but roids are awesome why wouldn't he want to be on for life

 

[SoundnVision]

what makes you choose 600mg? he could do 250 for like a year or 2 and maybe he wouldn't feel like shit and would def make more gains with 2 years supra levels than 12 weeks

it seems like you haven't been responsible with your use and you had a bad time, that is unfortunate but doesn't qualify you to give advice

i saw no mention of age in OP but roids are awesome why wouldn't he want to be on for life

I've done trt doses and didn't feel as good as natty that's why I mentioned it.
If he wants to be on forever then yeah do 250mg.
Otherwise I'd just do 600mg then come off and try and maintain as much as you can.
Some people just don't feel good when their HPTA axis is shutdown regardless of if they are injecting test.
Hormones are complicated and test is just 1 part of a big jigsaw.

My best recommendation is actually he does nothing and just eats well trains hard and sleeps well. Nothing else needed unless he actually has clinically low T

 

[The Dire]

Is HGH or Test better, HGH is way more expensive, dk if its worth it for most people imo

test alone is better but there are far more risks

 

[IamMelonMan]

what makes you choose 600mg? he could do 250 for like a year or 2 and maybe he wouldn't feel like shit and would def make more gains with 2 years supra levels than 12 weeks

it seems like you haven't been responsible with your use and you had a bad time, that is unfortunate but doesn't qualify you to give advice

i saw no mention of age in OP but roids are awesome why wouldn't he want to be on for life

15, ik that's young I was thinking of js permablasting 200 for life. Seems reasonable right?

 

[Chm]

test alone is better but there are far more risks

with test the risks are moree upfront, total hormonal shutdown and acne and what not

with hgh it can be more problematic because they build cumulatively like insulin resistance and joint damage

 

[IamMelonMan]

My best recommendation is actually he does nothing and just eats well trains hard and sleeps well. Nothing else needed unless he actually has clinically low T

Yh fair I should js be patient, it's not like I'm not making progress, I'm js thinking a low dose test doesn't really hurt

 

[Chm]

15, ik that's young I was thinking of js permablasting 200 for life. Seems reasonable right?

i didn't know you were 15 i would only give advice to 18+ lol but infer from previous chats

 

[IamMelonMan]

i didn't know you were 15 i would only give advice to 18+ lol but infer from previous chats

Yeah fair

 

[The Dire]

with test the risks are moree upfront, total hormonal shutdown and acne and what not

with hgh it can be more problematic because they build cumulatively like insulin resistance and joint damage

Just check your blood glucose

 

[The Dire]

Yh fair I should js be patient, it's not like I'm not making progress, I'm js thinking a low dose test doesn't really hurt

it will, you'll shut down your natural production at 15

 

[IamMelonMan]

it will, you'll shut down your natural production at 15

Yh, I could permablast right? Or js PCT?

 

[Chm]

Yh, I could permablast right? Or js PCT?

yep either works this is how normies fear monger and keep you natty

be sure you understand what you're committing to when you do tho

 

[Cinnamon.grey]

Is HGH or Test better, HGH is way more expensive, dk if its worth it for most people imo

Since you want muscle+frame i would run test, hgh, and microdose tren

 

[The Dire]

yep either works this is how normies fear monger and keep you natty

be sure you understand what you're committing to when you do tho

Dude, I’ve been on HGH for months. To build bone mass, not just muscle, you have to use testosterone for at least a year straight, usually two years, at a minimum of 250 mg a week. Do you have any idea what the hell happens to your hypothalamic-pituitary axis at age 15 after two years of 300 mg of testosterone? When you stop, you won’t even be able to get a fucking erection anymore because of the shut down . Good luck. And all this for mediocre results in terms of aesthetics.

Just hardmax at this point.

Not to mention that this idiot is 15 years old, he’ll probably skip the blood tests altogether and end up with sky-high estrogen levels and huge boobs

 

[Chm]

Dude, I’ve been on HGH for months. To build bone mass, not just muscle, you have to use testosterone for at least a year straight, usually two years, at a minimum of 250 mg a week. Do you have any idea what the hell happens to your hypothalamic-pituitary axis at age 15 after two years of 300 mg of testosterone? When you stop, you won’t even be able to get a fucking erection anymore because of the shut down . Good luck. And all this for mediocre results in terms of aesthetics.

Just hardmax at this point.

Not to mention that this idiot is 15 years old, he’ll probably skip the blood tests altogether and end up with sky-high estrogen levels and huge boobs

im on trt and hgh and i get synergy from them together that gives me less sides to tolerate and more gains with less cost and insulin resistance

hgh to build bone mass is humerous maybe proviron to masculinize or something but that's a dim reason for gh

 

[IamMelonMan]

Dude, I’ve been on HGH for months. To build bone mass, not just muscle, you have to use testosterone for at least a year straight, usually two years, at a minimum of 250 mg a week. Do you have any idea what the hell happens to your hypothalamic-pituitary axis at age 15 after two years of 300 mg of testosterone? When you stop, you won’t even be able to get a fucking erection anymore because of the shut down . Good luck. And all this for mediocre results in terms of aesthetics.

Just hardmax at this point.

Not to mention that this idiot is 15 years old, he’ll probably skip the blood tests altogether and end up with sky-high estrogen levels and huge boobs

Was thinking 150mg dose w bloods dw but yh I get I need to think more about it

 

[gotham964]

Yeah I prolly should've specified, Muscle and Frame growth

Then test would be better here

 

[The Dire]

Was thinking 150mg dose w bloods dw but yh I get I prolly shouldn't

bro WTF fucking idiot you are 15 150mg is a fucking TRT dose , start studying before injecting things into your body .

Unless you're fucking obese, your natural testosterone levels are on par with TRT, if not higher

 

[DollarTree]

Is HGH or Test better, HGH is way more expensive, dk if its worth it for most people imo

depends on a lot of factors but to simply put it, they work hand in hand pretty well. hgh makes new muscle fibers, test grows them. hgh also helps with a whole bunch of other shit but obv do your own research on dosings, how they work, what they do. what I said is very surface lvl

 

[SoundnVision]

Yh fair I should js be patient, it's not like I'm not making progress, I'm js thinking a low dose test doesn't really hurt

Shutting down your hpta axis at fucking 15 years old is the definition of mental ilness

 

[mike63729193]

depends what you want, but if you are poor, u will have to pin test forever but it will be good

Is HGH or Test better, HGH is way more expensive, dk if its worth it for most people imo