Deep scars? Dermaroll
Do you have drier skin than before you started? That’s one of the most common sides of fin is dry skin, dark circles, decreased collagen.
I have other high dht traits like thick bushy eyebrows, dense facial hair etc.
If u start losing hair just dermaroll regularly and use ghk-cu
over for your dht
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So first of all, I said DHT causes oily skin and yes, that is a vital skin function and a huge part of your bodies excrement process. Second of all, the first study you posted is about how dht DOES help with collagen synthesis, just not ALONE. It also works with that other thing in bone collagen. Third of all, vitamin c has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Yes, it is involved with collagen synthesis but collagen synthesis doesn’t happen in the first place without hormones. Hormones are the fuel of your body.where are your studies? many studies say DHT causes oily skin and acne jfl.
one of the few studies i can find supports what you said is
however it says 'Recombinant human chorionic gonadotropin but not dihydrotestosterone alone stimulates osteoblastic collagen synthesis in older men'Recombinant human chorionic gonadotropin but not dihydrotestosterone alone stimulates osteoblastic collagen synthesis in older men with partial age-related androgen deficiency - PubMed
Several randomized trials of androgen supplementation in older men have been undertaken. However, the relative contributions of testosterone (T) and estrogens on bone metabolism in aging men are controversial. Within the setting of two double-blind, placebo-controlled studies, we evaluated the...
vitamin c is one of the few compounds which noticeably improves collagen https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5579659/
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Dermaroll. Adapelene is shit for collagen btw.
Adapalene faded my freckles completely. What's the takeaway from that?
Source?
So first of all, I said DHT causes oily skin and yes, that is a vital skin function and a huge part of your bodies excrement process. Second of all, the first study you posted is about how dht DOES help with collagen synthesis, just not ALONE. It also works with that other thing in bone collagen. Third of all, vitamin c has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Yes, it is involved with collagen synthesis but collagen synthesis doesn’t happen in the first place without hormones. Hormones are the fuel of your body.
Here’s some studies of DHT’s role in skin function and collagen, I thought I had already made this knowledge common:
A Role for the Androgen Receptor in Collagen Content of the Skin
Collagen, the major macromolecular component of skin, is responsible for maintaining the structural integrity of the tissue as well as for providing i…www.sciencedirect.com
Action of androgen on fibroblast collagen synthesis: a receptor-dependent response. - Pediatric Research
Several groups are still investigating an "in vitro" biological response of androgen action. The purpose of this study was to determine whether dihydrotestosterone (DHT) influences the secretion of collagen by cultured foreskin fibroblasts raised from patients with normal or undetectable...
Ashton Kutcher and Dax Shepard Dish on Balding, Drinking, and Robot Sex in Candid Podcast - E! Online
From raising kids to sleeping with machines, the actors cover it all
Ashton Kutcher has been off Fin and Dut for years... And he was only ever on it for two. because he thought it was making him look older.
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Motherfucker. Say “indeed” one more time. And show me evidence that DHT is bad for your skin. All the evidence points to DHT being a crucial hormone for the function of the skin and fibroblasts. The most common side effect of Fin usage is dark circles, dry skin, thinning skin. Stop spreading misinformation, and I would like to remind you that you won’t find a study out there that says DHT has a negative impact on collagen.I posted that study as it was the only study in support of your contention that i could find.
The point i was getting at, is that there is no clear evidence that, in your own words 'dht = high collagen'. You oversimplified the physiological mechanisms of a sex hormone.
Your study cites studies using vulvar skin of women, yet
'Collagen production was elevated significantly in fibroblasts from vulvar skin but only marginally in fibroblasts from abdominal skin'.[A study of the effect of dihydrotestosterone on cultured human fibroblasts--with special reference to the hormone effect on the synthesis of proteins, collagen and DNA in fibroblasts (author's transl)] - PubMed
Fibroblasts grown from abdominal and vulvar skin from normal women were tested for their dihydrotestosterone binding activity. Fibroblasts from either source had 8S cytoplasmic dihydrotestosterone receptors as confirmed by sucrose gradient analysis and the concentration of dihydrotestosterone...
Indeed, volvar skin cultures in a test tube aret replicas of the dermal layer of 20 yo male - indeed clearly the fibroblast proliferation between different areas of skin can differ. Further, another factor would be topical application of dht having compared to heightened endogenous amounts.
Also consider the As DHT levels increase, elastin production can be undermined.
Indeed, your over simplification is evident by the conclusion that 'dihydrotestosterone (25 mg topically)' did not fix elastin loss.
Estrogen and testosterone attenuate extracellular matrix loss in collagen-induced arthritis in rats - PubMed
Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is a sexually dimorphic, autoimmune inflammatory disorder affecting the joints. Joint disability in RA results primarily from loss of matrix components (collagen and glycosoaminoglycan) in the cartilage and synovium. This study was carried out to understand the effect...
You also oversimplify by failing to note that dht may increase male patter baldness which is a severe looksmin.
or its action on retarding wound closureComparative studies on level of androgens in hair and plasma with premature male-pattern baldness - PubMed
We verified that the distribution of androgenic steroids is unlike in various regions of individual subjects. Moreover, the increased DHT/T ratio in balding plasma indirectly confirms the high activity of 5alpha-reductase type II.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/path.2444
Also, Vitamin c has everything to do with this. Sure DHT as a sex hormone and a mere vitamin differ considerably however, you are making wild claims that dht = 'high collagen'. This is not only wrong but a dangerous assertion if someones believes it without understanding potential side effects. Therefore, as far at the overarching topic is concerned - improving collagen, vitamin c is a good contribution to the discussion as it is arguably safer and more effective.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5579659/
indeed, you are coping. jfl at accusing me of misinformation when you cant even construct a well balanced analysis. it was one dimensional jfl tbh indeed your analysis was devoid of any consideration of other variables tbh ngl
@TsarTsar444 how often do u excersise?
they have next to no DHT
Debunked theory then. Was about to post how a 70 yo despite having wrinkles has better skin texture and glow than me
Still there's something hormonal related tbh. what do u think so far @Dyorotic2
No read my latest posts, collagen is produced differently in males vs females
We are missing something. I wish I had the energy to research as much as you do lol.
In males DHT takes the role as the main collagen producer and in females it’s Estrogen.
As I said before I'm just asking to learn I haven't researched about the topic in hand :
Dht levels peak during puberty. Collagen levels also peak during puberty and DHT declines with age. There is more to collagen production than just DHT but it is a big part of it. Again this is less of a guide for those with normal dht and more for those that taking dht blockers.
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