HIGH EFFORT I've decided to get DJS. Morphology analysis, hypoplasia / retromaxillism.

[Rzn]

I am now deciding to get DJS. Duping this thread here so it doesn't get buried in OT.

It's taking a lot for me to post my face online - let alone in this context. I've spent so long wondering "what the hell is wrong with my face" to not, in good conscience, post this anyway.

I've suspected maxillary recession for a year now due to sleep apnea developing at an 18 BMI. This was years ago now, I believe the straw that broke the camel's back was my wisdom teeth removal. I am not an ENT/ortho; any prognathism/recession/malocclusion search was met with severe cases. I know I have a very distinct/unique looking face and I had seen faces very similar to mine before, for reasons I couldn't really explain, until finding this case.

My morphology

Study pt. morphology

Blended 50%

I can't find other cases similar to this, but this is a patient from a 2007 publication - S0094129807000697 - with retromaxillism and transverse deficiency (notable in left and right pictures), as well as mandibular retroalveolism. Truth be told, this is a pretty big breakthrough in my decision. I really was truly hoping I could wait for experimental non-invasive and gradual alternatives such as FMA - no longer really worth waiting for in my opinion. This patient ended up being adjusted 10+mm.

I do not see visible transverse deficiencies (narrowing) in myself, nor am I skilled enough to identify retroalveolism. I am not a professional; I just know enough by now to bite the damn bullet and get things moving. Really wanted to avoid this and the many implications that come with it.

I was really hoping we'd have some major advancements in FMA by now. I was hoping thumbpulling wouldn't be cope, I was hoping beltpulling/towelpulling/chairpulling/trainpulling would have got me somewhere, but it never did. At one point I heard tiny crackling noises from my ZMA suture region but that was about it. Even if it did get me somewhere, it wouldn't get me over a centimeter.

Maybe that's a sign of maturity though - accepting that no matter what mad scientist shit I researched and came across, there are some things you simply can't change. One of them is gradually remodeling bone while making slightly above minimum wage. It's a waste of time. In a liberating way, this feels like death for me.

Looking for others' observations and wishes.

This is the most liberated I've felt regarding my self esteem.

All input, analysis, suggestion, feedback, "DNR" etc. is appreciated. Thank you guys. I'll be checking in throughout the process.

Tagging friend for a moment like this.
@Saint @134applesauce456 @maarda @acm @Menas @xuzky @castizo_ascender @Notcel @whitebitchslayer @superpsycho @ThraxxGlo @mog_or_be_mogged @silently_said @Kaari @WhoTookVendetta @Sadist @devonhendryx999 @dry @FascisstChad @Ghost Philosophy @wsada @asdvek @rape @greyceI @Litekiller11 @Hozay

If you're out there Max Blackgym, good luck with your hereterochymia. If you're out there ekil73, I hope you're confident in your skin.
If you're out there, chudlite, I still think about you a couple times a week.
If I've hurt any of you with the nasty shit I've said on here, I'm sorry. I really wish I could take a lot of it back but I can't. That's how the internet goes, I guess.
We miss you, PeakIncels. I was so focused on shitposting and making "friend" that I never truly made friends. I still think about our interactions with a heavy heart because of this. I honestly cried when I found out. I hope we both escape cruelty.

 

[birthdefect]

I am now deciding to get DJS. Duping this thread here so it doesn't get buried in OT.

It's taking a lot for me to post my face online - let alone in this context. I've spent so long wondering "what the hell is wrong with my face" to not, in good conscience, post this anyway.

I've suspected maxillary recession for a year now due to sleep apnea developing at an 18 BMI. This was years ago now, I believe the straw that broke the camel's back was my wisdom teeth removal. I am not an ENT/ortho; any prognathism/recession/malocclusion search was met with severe cases. I know I have a very distinct/unique looking face and I had seen faces very similar to mine before, for reasons I couldn't really explain, until finding this case.

I can't find other cases similar to this, but this is a patient from a 2007 publication - S0094129807000697 - with retromaxillism and transverse deficiency (notable in left and right pictures), as well as mandibular retroalveolism. Truth be told, this is a pretty big breakthrough in my decision. I really was truly hoping I could wait for experimental non-invasive and gradual alternatives such as FMA - no longer really worth waiting for in my opinion. This patient ended up being adjusted 10+mm.

I do not see visible transverse deficiencies (narrowing) in myself, nor am I skilled enough to identify retroalveolism. I am not a professional; I just know enough by now to bite the damn bullet and get things moving. Really wanted to avoid this and the many implications that come with it.

I was really hoping we'd have some major advancements in FMA by now. I was hoping thumbpulling wouldn't be cope, I was hoping beltpulling/towelpulling/chairpulling/trainpulling would have got me somewhere, but it never did. At one point I heard tiny crackling noises from my ZMA suture region but that was about it. Even if it did get me somewhere, it wouldn't get me over a centimeter.

Maybe that's a sign of maturity though - accepting that no matter what mad scientist shit I researched and came across, there are some things you simply can't change. One of them is gradually remodeling bone while making slightly above minimum wage. It's a waste of time. In a liberating way, this feels like death for me.

Looking for others' observations and wishes.

This is the most liberated I've felt regarding my self esteem.

All input, analysis, suggestion, feedback, "DNR" etc. is appreciated. Thank you guys. I'll be checking in throughout the process.

Tagging friend for a moment like this.
@Saint @134applesauce456 @maarda @acm @Menas @xuzky @castizo_ascender @Notcel @whitebitchslayer @superpsycho @ThraxxGlo @mog_or_be_mogged @silently_said @Kaari @WhoTookVendetta @Sadist @devonhendryx999 @dry @FascisstChad @Ghost Philosophy @wsada @asdvek @rape @greyceI @Litekiller11 @Hozay

If you're out there Max Blackgym, good luck with your hereterochymia. If you're out there ekil73, I hope you're confident in your skin.
If you're out there, chudlite, I still think about you a couple times a week.
We miss you, PeakIncels. I was so focused on shitposting and making "friend" that I never truly made friends. I still think about our interactions with a heavy heart because of this. I honestly cried when I found out. I hope we both escape cruelty.

gotta see your face tbh
if you have a long midface get ccw + if needed custom gonion implants

 

[Rzn]

gotta see your face tbh
if you have a long midface get ccw + if needed custom gonion implants

It's the top row in the image. The bottom row is a 50% opacity blend.

 

[birthdefect]

It's the top row in the image. The bottom row is a 50% opacity blend.

oh thats you alr
yea same advice + rhino and maybe lip filler
but im no expert

 

[Rzn]

oh thats you alr
yea same advice + rhino and maybe lip filler
but im no expert

If you're suggesting rhino on its own, that's not the issue. If you're suggesting rhino post lefort, I probably shouldn't need one considering my dorsal hump is likely caused by recession - at least that's the usual non-semitic dorsal hump causes. I'll have to examine lips.

I saw the results on the patient in the pics after he got bimax. Dude is all fucked up for a handful of reasons that make it hard to determine exactly how successful it was/should've been.

 

[Genio]

Interesting thread, I think the Sleep Apnea wouldve been the first sign overall, Did you start funding for it yet?

I think the Dorsal Hump can be fixed, even within a lefort I, since it seem's to be caused by the recession of the Dental-Alveolar Region and not a Lefort II case (Lower Orbits and Midface).

by the way, when you ping people, I think only the first 5 (or 6) are mentioned.

 

[Rzn]

Interesting thread, I think the Sleep Apnea wouldve been the first sign overall, Did you start funding for it yet?

I think the Dorsal Hump can be fixed, even within a lefort I, since it seem's to be caused by the recession of the Dental-Alveolar Region and not a Lefort II case (Lower Orbits and Midface).

by the way, when you ping people, I think only the first 5 (or 6) are mentioned.

I’m gonna write a longer response in the morning. Truthfully I’ve already been saving up for FMA so I’ve got about 5k set aside so far. Apnea diagnosis might be a saving grace in getting insurance to pay for it.

I can’t tell if my orbitals are recessed or not, truthfully - might also be a lack of fat pads. My orbicularis oculi is both genetically deep/hollow but also myofunctionally atrophied over time.
Didn’t know that about pings, thanks. Can’t remember if it’s been like that or that’s new. I don’t think it was always that way.

 

[Genio]

I’m gonna write a longer response in the morning. Truthfully I’ve already been saving up for FMA so I’ve got about 5k set aside so far. Apnea diagnosis might be a saving grace in getting insurance to pay for it.

I can’t tell if my orbitals are recessed or not, truthfully - might also be a lack of fat pads. My orbicularis oculi is both genetically deep/hollow but also myofunctionally atrophied over time.
Didn’t know that about pings, thanks. Can’t remember if it’s been like that or that’s new. I don’t think it was always that way.

I think main Orbital-area lacking is Infra's, Supra's seem to be forward grown when lined up to your Eyes but Infra's are flat (as comparable to the Study case patient you linked).

If you can get actual documentation for Apnea then you can get insurance on your side, you have it alot better than most here; You legit have a functional issue that needs fixing with Osteotomies.
All the best, let me know what you end up doing.

 

[birthdefect]

If you're suggesting rhino on its own, that's not the issue. If you're suggesting rhino post lefort, I probably shouldn't need one considering my dorsal hump is likely caused by recession - at least that's the usual non-semitic dorsal hump causes. I'll have to examine lips.

I saw the results on the patient in the pics after he got bimax. Dude is all fucked up for a handful of reasons that make it hard to determine exactly how successful it was/should've been.

not rhino for the nose bump necessarily but for overall nose shape
pretty thick

 

[dogpound]

I am now deciding to get DJS. Duping this thread here so it doesn't get buried in OT.

It's taking a lot for me to post my face online - let alone in this context. I've spent so long wondering "what the hell is wrong with my face" to not, in good conscience, post this anyway.

I've suspected maxillary recession for a year now due to sleep apnea developing at an 18 BMI. This was years ago now, I believe the straw that broke the camel's back was my wisdom teeth removal. I am not an ENT/ortho; any prognathism/recession/malocclusion search was met with severe cases. I know I have a very distinct/unique looking face and I had seen faces very similar to mine before, for reasons I couldn't really explain, until finding this case.

My morphology

Study pt. morphology

Blended 50%

I can't find other cases similar to this, but this is a patient from a 2007 publication - S0094129807000697 - with retromaxillism and transverse deficiency (notable in left and right pictures), as well as mandibular retroalveolism. Truth be told, this is a pretty big breakthrough in my decision. I really was truly hoping I could wait for experimental non-invasive and gradual alternatives such as FMA - no longer really worth waiting for in my opinion. This patient ended up being adjusted 10+mm.

I do not see visible transverse deficiencies (narrowing) in myself, nor am I skilled enough to identify retroalveolism. I am not a professional; I just know enough by now to bite the damn bullet and get things moving. Really wanted to avoid this and the many implications that come with it.

I was really hoping we'd have some major advancements in FMA by now. I was hoping thumbpulling wouldn't be cope, I was hoping beltpulling/towelpulling/chairpulling/trainpulling would have got me somewhere, but it never did. At one point I heard tiny crackling noises from my ZMA suture region but that was about it. Even if it did get me somewhere, it wouldn't get me over a centimeter.

Maybe that's a sign of maturity though - accepting that no matter what mad scientist shit I researched and came across, there are some things you simply can't change. One of them is gradually remodeling bone while making slightly above minimum wage. It's a waste of time. In a liberating way, this feels like death for me.

Looking for others' observations and wishes.

This is the most liberated I've felt regarding my self esteem.

All input, analysis, suggestion, feedback, "DNR" etc. is appreciated. Thank you guys. I'll be checking in throughout the process.

Tagging friend for a moment like this.
@Saint @134applesauce456 @maarda @acm @Menas @xuzky @castizo_ascender @Notcel @whitebitchslayer @superpsycho @ThraxxGlo @mog_or_be_mogged @silently_said @Kaari @WhoTookVendetta @Sadist @devonhendryx999 @dry @FascisstChad @Ghost Philosophy @wsada @asdvek @rape @greyceI @Litekiller11 @Hozay

If you're out there Max Blackgym, good luck with your hereterochymia. If you're out there ekil73, I hope you're confident in your skin.
If you're out there, chudlite, I still think about you a couple times a week.
If I've hurt any of you with the nasty shit I've said on here, I'm sorry. I really wish I could take a lot of it back but I can't. That's how the internet goes, I guess.
We miss you, PeakIncels. I was so focused on shitposting and making "friend" that I never truly made friends. I still think about our interactions with a heavy heart because of this. I honestly cried when I found out. I hope we both escape cruelty.

Low effort as fuck

 

[Rzn]

If you can get actual documentation for Apnea then you can get insurance on your side

I have that thank god. It's from like January 2022 though without followup, so they're gonna require that more than likely.

I think main Orbital-area lacking is Infra's, Supra's seem to be forward grown when lined up to your Eyes but Infra's are flat

I noticed that as well. I think they aren't sagitally pronounced, maybe. It's weird, because from the front view, they're way more visible, but from a side or 3/4ths angle, they are barely visible. I think my facial width is alright; I don't have a narrow palate. I did have minor tooth crowding as a teenager but it was all correctable with braces. I have a full smile.

 

[Rzn]

not rhino for the nose bump necessarily but for overall nose shape
pretty thick

I'll consider it. The main things I want are a good base. Nobody really gives a shit about a hook nose if you're a good looking dude. I can't lie, I think one of the few reasons women like my subhuman ass is because I still have masculine features despite looking 14 at 24 years old.

 

[Rzn]

Low effort as fuck

Jfl I honestly would agree with you but bear with me here.
Yes I could sperg out about this being class III skeletal base malocclusion. That doesn't matter here and gets nobody anywhere as per the post. Google class III skeletal base malocclusion - see what the people look like. You can see the exhaustion of those results in this post.

Most high effort posts on here are delusional. Not all of them (re heterochromia/feature&rating identification) - but most. They can't even really be applied by the reader, at least from a pragmatic sense.
Don't believe me? Go check BOTB's voice and chungus guides. Look at the countless high effort OT/LM section threads magically proving why thumbpulling theoretically actually totally works.

This is an incredibly unique morphology that would go otherwise undiagnosed, and I know there are people that look like me and can't figure out why. Ask me how I know. You could probably tell just by my join date. This is an important post even if it doesn't seem like it, and there's a reason I've put effort into it.

Look at this bro. I'm like this guy's doppelganger, and I didn't even match up the angles.

This is more like a legitimate case study than anything else you'll easily find here.