High Gonial Angle is Ideal (For Most Guys)

[Deleted member 3020]

Everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the face

 

[MisterMercedes]

The level of men around women determines who they find repulsive and attractive.

Now you’re arguing that a hot girl hooked up with Bale who she considered hot at the time because her options were so limited twentyyears ago due to lack of online dating, but now he’s repulsive twenty years later due to online dating showing more options? Are you an idiot?

 

[Rabbi]

No shit if you don’t extend his ramus you kill his chin height ffs

 

[MisterMercedes]

He has a high gonial angle.

No he doesn’t you chimp.

 

[MisterMercedes]

No shit if you don’t extend his ramus you kill his chin height ffs

Chin height isn’t the issue, it’s lack of jaw height:

 

[Rabbi]

Chin height isn’t the issue, it’s lack of jaw height:

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Chin height and jaw height go hand in hand it’s why I said his ramus needs to be longer

 

[MisterMercedes]

No he doesn’t you chimp.

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[SPFromNY914]

It is necessary when people on this forum obsess over having a square jaw without realizing that that looks shit without vertical projection. Be quiet you boneless monkey.

Facts to have a square jaw you need some downward vertical height on the ramus otherwise you'll look like a man-baby and look retarded. But also being slightly recessed like Bale is irl isn't really ideal either

 

[MisterMercedes]

Chin height and jaw height go hand in hand it’s why I said his ramus needs to be longer

You idiot the whole point is short ramus + low gonial angle looks shit. Why would I give him a tall ramus to prove that?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Facts to have a square jaw you need some downward vertical height on the ramus otherwise you'll look like a man-baby and look retarded. But also being slightly recessed like Bale is irl isn't really ideal either

Michael Cera being a great example.

 

[Rabbi]

You idiot the whole point is short ramus + low gonial angle looks shit. Why would I give him a tall ramus to prove that?

Your title says high gonial angle is ideal for most guys
You realise most people with a low gonial angle don’t have a birdcel ramus right?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Your title says high gonial angle is ideal for most guys
You realise most people with a low gonial angle don’t have a birdcel ramus right?

So what? The point stands.

Bale’s Ramus isn’t birdcel. It’s average, maybe slightly below. Most guys need and do have higher gonial angles than this forum touts as ideal, which works well with their lack of Ramus height.

 

[Rabbi]

So what? The point stands.

Bale’s Ramus isn’t birdcel. It’s average, maybe slightly below. Most guys need and do have higher gonial angles than this forum touts as ideal, which works well with their lack of Ramus height.

No body can or will alter their gonial angle like that without compensation for vertical length and if they do it’s retarded.
Even still just because Christian Bales ramus works better with a higher gonial doesn’t mean it’s ideal aesthetics

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Now you’re arguing that a hot girl hooked up with Bale who she considered hot at the time because her options were so limited twentyyears ago due to lack of online dating, but now he’s repulsive twenty years later due to online dating showing more options? Are you an idiot?

Never said Christian Bale is repulsive, I said that a lot less men were found repulsive back then because of no online daying. Christian Bale is a lot less attractive now compared to twenty years ago due to social media.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

No he doesn’t you chimp.

Yes he does. He's the definition of downward growth.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Facts to have a square jaw you need some downward vertical height on the ramus otherwise you'll look like a man-baby and look retarded. But also being slightly recessed like Bale is irl isn't really ideal either

Exactly. How can someone have a square jaw with a short ramus? We're talking about short face syndrome at that point. This argument makes no sense. Low gonial angle is synonymous with a long ramus.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Never said Christian Bale is repulsive, I said that a lot less men were found repulsive back then because of no online daying. Christian Bale is a lot less attractive now compared to twenty years ago due to social media.

You called him an incel, which is a guy who can’t get laid, so yes, you that’s repulsive.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Yes he does. He's the definition of downward growth.

Look at the picture I sent.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Exactly. How can someone have a square jaw with a short ramus? We're talking about short face syndrome at that point. This argument makes no sense. Low gonial angle is synonymous with a long ramus.

Look at the picture of michael cera this instant you boneless dog.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

You called him an incel, which is a guy who can’t get laid, so yes, you that’s repulsive.

I never called him an incel. He's still attractive but much less than he would've been 20 years ago.

Look at the picture of michael cera this instant you boneless dog.

"Low gonial angle". His entire mandible is recessed making his jaw look bad.

 

[MisterMercedes]

I never called him an incel. He's still attractive but much less than he would've been 20 years ago.

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"Low gonial angle". His entire mandible is recessed making his jaw look bad.

Not the picture I sent. His mouth is open.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Not the picture I sent. His mouth is open.
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Also I’m pretty sure you did. May have been someone else.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Not the picture I sent. His mouth is open.
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Cherrypicked angle. Everyone’s gonial angle looks low from that angle.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Cherrypicked angle. Everyone’s gonial angle looks low from that angle.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

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Still a high angle. Only reliable way to see angle is from a full side profile. Either way, your argument only accounts for changing the gonial angle without lengthening the ramus, which no one would do.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

It’s cute how you’re this obsessed with me. You’ve commented on every one of my posts since you lost the debate.

what debate did i lose?

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

You heard a bad definition. Facial harmony is why PSL autist can't comprehend why most of the time their morph for better features looks worse, it's basically features working better with other features. Example, chico's high eyebrow isn't ideal, but it works well to highlight his eyearea, it wouldn't work if he had the same eyeshape as sean o'pry for example

Finally someone fucking gets it

 

[MisterMercedes]

what debate did i lose?

The one where you said maxilla determines nose length and wouldn’t say whether genetics played a bigger role.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Still a high angle. Only reliable way to see angle is from a full side profile. Either way, your argument only accounts for changing the gonial angle without lengthening the ramus, which no one would do.

No, that’s a low angle.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

The one where you said maxilla determines nose length and wouldn’t say whether genetics played a bigger role.

you must have one hell of an ego if that's a won debate to you

 

[MisterMercedes]

you must have one hell of an ego if that's a won debate to you

Substantive response.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Substantive response.

no your response is not substantive at all

 

[MisterMercedes]

no your response is not substantive at all

All you did was say “no, you didn’t win the debate” without elaborating. I have nothing to respond to/refute.

 

[Stevensmithgerard]

 

[AutisticBeaner]

All you did was say “no, you didn’t win the debate” without elaborating. I have nothing to respond to/refute.

no i said that you have a massive ego, with elaborating. but it's no wonder that a guy that can't spell "neoteny" correctly doesn't realize that.

 

[MisterMercedes]

no i said that you have a massive ego, with elaborating. but it's no wonder that a guy that can't spell "neoteny" correctly doesn't realize that.

If you can’t explain how what I said about the debate was incorrect, I have nothing to response to.

 

[Deleted member 2658]

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Christian Bale has an average ramus and a pretty high gonial angle, so his jaw still has good vertical projection.

Giving him a low gonial angle while maintaining the ramus height:

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Looks shit.

Looks better with low gonial, you low iw fuck.
Low-set Gonions are ideal

 

[MisterMercedes]

Looks better with low gonial, you low iw fuck.
Low-set Gonions are ideal

Low gonial angle ≠ low gonion. Low gonion is just a tall ramus, which Bale lacks, hence why he looks shit with a low gonial angle.

 

[Bewusst]

You made his chin shorter you idiot. It wouldn‘t look like that if you only lengthened his ramus or shortened his midface. Of course a smaller chin will look worse than a bigger one. Cyancel moment

 

[MisterMercedes]

You made his chin shorter you idiot. It wouldn‘t look like that if you only lengthened his ramus or shortened his midface. Of course a smaller chin will look worse than a bigger one. Cyancel moment

I also did a morph where his chin is taller. Are you ignoring it on purpose or did you not read?

 

[Bewusst]

I also did a morph where his chin is taller. Are you ignoring it on purpose or did you not read?

I saw that after I posted. It‘s still true tho. Even with his short ramus, it would not look like that if you made his midface shorter to allow for ccw rotation. It‘s all about ratios.

 

[MisterMercedes]

I saw that after I posted. It‘s still true tho. Even with his short ramus, it would not look like that if you made his midface shorter to allow for ccw rotation. It‘s all about ratios.

I actually unintentionally did make his midface shorter.

It’s not all about ratios. Overall vertical projection is important, and morphing Bale with a low gonial angle takes away vertical projection. That’s why it looks shit. A short lower third is feminine.

 

[Deleted member 2968]

Even recessed Bale is a ultimate slayer
Expecially in American Psycho
High gonial can only look good if you have long mandible and projected long chin,if you don't meet this requirements you are screwed

 

[MisterMercedes]

Even recessed Bale is a ultimate slayer
Expecially in American Psycho
High gonial can only look good if you have long mandible and projected long chin,if you don't meet this requirements you are screwed

His mandible isn’t that long but he has a good chin.

 

[Deleted member 2968]

His mandible isn’t that long but he has a good chin.

His mandible is slightly recessed.
I have seen his low hyoid in some movies
But yeah he was somehow blessed with good chin and maxilla.

 

[Aesthetics_III]

keep coping son

 

[MisterMercedes]

His mandible is slightly recessed.
I have seen his low hyoid in some movies
But yeah he was somehow blessed with good chin and maxilla.

And cheekbones.

 

[MisterMercedes]

keep coping son

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They all have tall ramuses dumbass.

 

[Aesthetics_III]

They all have tall ramuses dumbass.

So what retard? A tall ramus is ideal

 

[Deleted member 2968]

And cheekbones.

Yeah i forgot