High iq athleat/boxing or whatever thread. Speed vs explosivness and what creates it?

[Pietrosiek]

So How could you explain to me difference beetween 2 kinds of speed? Tyson, when hes fast af and as we know speed x mass = punching power, he has insane ko. Now why muhhammed ali, despite being big man and being insanely fast didnt had KO power?


12 punches vs 1 or 2 punches. You can see the difference there. 2kos, but 2 different types of speed.





Now floyd maywaether. Insane speed but no ko power


Same tyson fury vs wilder. Speed vs ko power.



So basicly tyson is explosive af but ali is fast. Ok. Eksplosivness is basicly pucnhing power, jumping ans spriting.

But what is that speed that ali, fury and floyd show? We know that eksplosivness is basicly fast twich musle fibers and full musle inserts. What is that speed then?


People at bjj told me that im fast. And i am. I can move very quickly but i dont have strenght and power. Im not good sprinter or jumper. What makes me fast if i cant bench press my body weight and body weight squds tire me quite quickly?

 

[Zygos4Life]

f=ma

Area of triangle is 1/2 * b * h

Also E = mc squared

 

[Deleted member 7112]

The weight of you Fist determines your Ko power so if you wank off hard you will most likely have a good KO power.

 

[Pietrosiek]

The weight of you Fist determines your Ko power so if you want off hard you will mist likely have a good KO power.

ali weight 100kg+ and doesnt have big punching power

 

[Deleted member 7112]

ali weight 100kg+ and doesnt have big punching power

Fist size isn’t based on weight but on your bone density And size. If you have really hard bones you will be able to knock out someone easier

 

[Pietrosiek]

Fist size isn’t based on weight but on your bone density And size. If you have really hard bones you will be able to knock out someone easier

what you mean?What fist size?

 

[Deleted member 7112]

what you mean?What fist size?

Are you fucking dense or something? What i’m saying is that if your fist weight more or if your hand bones are very hard you will have more KO power.

 

[kangarooking]

power = how fast you can apply your strength, so improve strength or how fast you can apply it to increase power

 

[Pietrosiek]

Are you fucking dense or something? What i’m saying is that if your fist weight more or if your hand bones are very hard you will have more KO power.

wrist weight? Isnt it more overall body weight?

Also tell me the difference beetween sprint and that movement speed. Im weak sprinter but i can move very fast. Its not just about poucnhing power.

 

[Deleted member 7112]

wrist weight? Isnt it more overall body weight?

Also tell me the difference beetween sprint and that movement speed. Im weak sprinter but i can move very fast. Its not just about poucnhing power.

Yeah it’s over all the weight of your body that determines ko power. it’s like when you rotate your hips to get more ko power your pulling more weights to one side and that makes your punch harder.

The difference is that you have more fast twitching muscles on diffrent bodyparts running fast means that you prob have more fast twitching muscles on your legs than on your arms.

 

[Pietrosiek]

Yeah it’s over all the weight of your body that determines ko power. it’s like when you rotate your hips to get more ko power your pulling more weights to one side and that makes your punch harder.

The difference is that you have more fast twitching muscles on diffrent bodyparts running fast means that you prob have more fast twitching muscles on your legs than on your arms.

its weird. If we say legs, weak at sprint and jumping but i can move very fast on my feet at bjj. At upper body i can move fast but again, with medicine ball thorows and shit im bad.

 

[DharkDC]

i think it has to do with the fact that while MA can accelarate pretty fast, he has also has to decelerate to lower his risk of injury and to retract his arm. So the final velocity of punch would be something close to 5, maybe 3 ms^-1

 

[عبد الرحمن]

Maybe its the technique? If you compare Ali to Tyson, Ali's punches are straight unlike Tyson's, Mike punches move in a curled trajectory.

 

[Pietrosiek]

Maybe its the technique? If you compare Ali to Tyson, Ali's punches are straight unlike Tyson's, Mike punches move in a curled trajectory.

so explain why im fast but not explosive

 

[عبد الرحمن]

so explain why im fast but not explosive

Explosiveness is generated from the accumulation of kinetic energy that traversed several muscle groups to result in an explosive blow, here's a short video that simulate the force

 

[Roping Subhuman]

This seems very random.

 

[Pietrosiek]

This seems very random.

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What is thst comment

 

[Roping Subhuman]

What is thst comment

From the first video.

 

[Ritalincell]

Tyson had more than 100kg at 5'10 and insane bones. The guy was a monster, of course his punching power was insane. Other boxers you mentioned were taller so their mass was distributed to more.

 

[Pietrosiek]

Tyson had more than 100kg at 5'10 and insane bones. The guy was a monster, of course his punching power was insane. Other boxers you mentioned were taller so their mass was distributed to more

I never knew that he had good punching power

 

[Ritalincell]

I never knew that he had good punching power

Punching power= weight behind a single punch +technique. The weight behind a 100kg guy at 5'10 with huge upper body strength and extremely thick and big bones= KO. Mayweather for example weighs nothing compared to him

 

[Pietrosiek]

Punching power= weight behind a single punch +technique. The weight behind a 100kg guy at 5'10 with huge upper body strength and extremely thick and big bones= KO. Mayweather for example weighs nothing compared to him

Dude, no. They fight is samr weighclass. Weight is important af but ali was 107kg.tyson fury is 120 somthing. Why wilder has so hard punch while not being even 100kg at 6'7? Its speed x mass. Technique helps you utilize both. Im talling about physical factor.


Also it m not talking about just ko power. Sprints and jums are explosivness as punching is. Thats the explosivness and we know what creates it. Fast twich musle fibers and good musle inserts. But what creates speed that tyosn fury or ali show?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

it's all the same, we don't need to mysticize everything

 

[Deleted member 4671]

f=ma

Area of triangle is 1/2 * b * h

Also E = mc squared

no this wont apply correctly when u take in the corrleation and variables such as arm lenght, technqiue, hips, hand size etc

 

[Ritalincell]

Dude, no. They fight is samr weighclass. Weight is important af but ali was 107kg.tyson fury is 120 somthing. Why wilder has so hard punch while not being even 100kg at 6'7? Its speed x mass. Technique helps you utilize both. Im talling about physical factor.


Also it m not talking about just ko power. Sprints and jums are explosivness as punching is. Thats the explosivness and we know what creates it. Fast twich musle fibers and good musle inserts. But what creates speed that tyosn fury or ali show?

Tyson had better timing and speed (not only in his body but also in his punches. Also he looked like a humanoid roided pitbull so a lot of fighters already were afraid of him before fighting which also won him the psychological game, which is very important at boxing. Also his angle bc he was shorter than most made him hit good uppercuts

 

[SeiGun]

doesnt matter how fast you punch, the force you exert to your arm and fist when you come in contact determine the weight of the strike, you need to push a little bit more just when you hit to exert more power, but it will slow you down a few milli second to retract
source: fight a lot in middle school

 

[Pietrosiek]

Tyson had better timing and speed (not only in his body but also in his punches. Also he looked like a humanoid roided pitbull so a lot of fighters already were afraid of him before fighting which also won him the psychological game, which is very important at boxing. Also his angle bc he was shorter than most made him hit good uppercuts

ok man, you still dont get my point. Tyson fury vs wilder. Explain that to me. I know what creates wilder power. Full musle insers and alot of fast twich musle fibers mainly, there are other factors but these are main ones. What creates tyson fury speed? Ability to throw lite super fast punches, ability to move on feet fast?

 

[Ritalincell]

ok man, you still dont get my point. Tyson fury vs wilder. Explain that to me. I know what creates wilder power. Full musle insers and alot of fast twich musle fibers mainly, there are other factors but these are main ones. What creates tyson fury speed? Ability to throw lite super fast punches, ability to move on feet fast?

Good legs are also important for movement. Both of them probably had much power in their legs too. Also both had huge stamina ( they did not lose power even in longer fights) which made them extremely dangerous

 

[Serial Coomer]

Im fast because i have thin arms (17 cm wrist). And a very good amount of muscle, this translates into a lot of muscle moving a limited amount of bones = speed..
Plus im doing 15 pull ups x set and im 82 kg, so shoulders and back training improve your punches speed, the power derives from the weight itself, but more weight u got, more muscle you need to not loose speed i think

 

[Pietrosiek]

Good legs are also important for movement. Both of them probably had much power in their legs too. Also both had huge stamina ( they did not lose power even in longer fights) which made them extremely dangerous

yes, but explain why i can move very fast while being very weak, what creates that speed

 

[Pietrosiek]

Im fast because i have thin arms (17 cm wrist). And a very good amount of muscle, this translates into a lot of muscle moving a limited amount of bones = speed..
Plus im doing 15 pull ups x set and im 82 kg, so shoulders and back training improve your punches speed, the power derives from the weight itself, but more weight u got, more muscle you need to not loose speed i think

i dont have strenght and im light af, yet im fast

 

[Serial Coomer]

i dont have strenght and im light af, yet im fast

Well the speed is created by you being an auschwitzcel, its obvious that if you are 50 kg you be fast

 

[Pietrosiek]

Well the speed is created by you being an auschwitzcel, its obvious that if you are 50 kg you be fast

im 75kg not 50 and they are skinny dudes who are not fast at all. Why they arent fast?

 

[Serial Coomer]

im 75kg not 50 and they are skinny dudes who are not fast at all. Why they arent fast?

Probably LDARed too much, i met a guy at krav maga back then, he couldnt throw a kick on the leg and he was in decent shape

 

[Ritalincell]

yes, but explain why i can move very fast while being very weak, what creates that speed

Bc you weigh nothing compared to heavyweight boxers but probably still have more leg strength than the other skinny kids

 

[Pietrosiek]

Bc you weigh nothing compared to heavyweight boxers but probably still have more leg strength than the other skinny kids

i have troubles with bodyweight squats lol also i compare myself to people of my size, im faster than them usualy. Not some insne level of speed of course.

 

[Ritalincell]

i have troubles with bodyweight squats lol also i compare myself to people of my size, im faster than them usualy. Not some insne level of speed of course.

Leg strength is not just quads. How are your calves? Do you have a strong core?

 

[Pietrosiek]

Leg strength is not just quads. How are your calves? Do you have a strong core?

i dont have anything strong. I have low calves insertions and they are small. im not talking about sprints, im weak at them, especialy at the start. Same with jumping i think. Im faster in sprints than skinnyfat manlets due to height but im not really explosive. I can move in bjj relly quickly from side to side, change directions quickly etc.

 

[Ritalincell]

i dont have anything strong. I have low calves insertions and they are small. im not talking about sprints, im weak at them, especialy at the start. Same with jumping i think. Im faster in sprints than skinnyfat manlets due to height but im not really explosive. I can move in bjj relly quickly from side to side, change directions quickly etc.

Maybe better hand eye coordination then bc of vidyacoping for years? xd

 

[UltimateMan]

f=ma

Area of triangle is 1/2 * b * h

Also E = mc squared

You fucking retard don't quote equations if you have no idea what you're talking abt. E=mc squared is the theory of special relativity that expresses the fact that mass and energy are the same and interchangable.
By your logic u just took the mass of an arm (3kg) , average punches pack a lot more than this btw the energy of the punch would brleb2.69626554 × 10^17J.


Estimated energy released in Hiroshima was 6.3 x 10^13J JFL.

 

[Zygos4Life]

You fucking retard don't quote equations if you have no idea what you're talking abt. E=mc squared is the theory of special relativity that expresses the fact that mass and energy are the same and interchangable.
By your logic u just took the mass of an arm (3kg) , average punches pack a lot more than this btw the energy of the punch would brleb2.69626554 × 10^17J.


Estimated energy released in Hiroshima was 6.3 x 10^13J JFL.

My post was literally a joke bro

 

[UltimateMan]

My post was literally a joke bro

Guess I'm the retard then

 

[Deleted member 6856]

 

[Zygos4Life]

Guess I'm the retard then

Nah bro you're high IQ than me

 

[UltimateMan]

Nah bro you're high IQ than me

Honesty hard to tell if ppl are meming with some of the low IQ and autism on this site