Historycels: can you explain to me how Ottoman Turks (originally from Mongolia I believe) overtook the Arab empire

[banjojones]

Its confusing to me and historians are very vague about it and try to overlap Arabs/Turks who are NOT the same people. Arabs are Semites (similar to Mizrahi Jews in Israel) who originated from the Yemen area and have some degrees of black admixture (Hate to say. I mean look Yemen is VERY VERY close to Somalia. You have to be FOOLISH to deny that ZERO Sub Saharan DNA got in). On the other hand, Ottoman Turks orignated from (literally) Turkmenistan/parts of Mongolia. But conquered modern day Turkey (Anatolia)

How did some rough band of Asiatic hunters related to Ghengis Khan overtake settled agrarian Arab lands THOUSANDS OF MILES to the south and decide to make Anatolia their homeland rather than Mongolia/Turkmenistan? I heard a lot of Arab downfall was due to Arabs importing (whitish looking) Turkik (female sex) slaves and male soldiers from Turkmenistan/Mongolia. (Mamaluks). But the Arabs (stupidly) gave their slaves weapons/military training and they eventually overtook the Arab empires (Anatolia as well) and bred them out/intermarried. (sure Ottomans DID speak Arabic. But a Chinese person (technically the Turks WERE genetically similar to Chinese people) could learn Arabic/convert to Islam but STILL NOT be racially Arab etc). Seemed like a big racial/cultural change occurred.

Not to be a "we wuz kangz" type but LETS BE REAL. A LOT of modern Egyptians resemble ethnic Turks. They look NOTHING like the ancient Egyptians (ancient Egyptians were NOT "black" per se but they looked NOTHING like Modern Egyptians today. I do NOT want to get into a racial debate of weather ancient Egyptians were niggers or not . But it is FOOLISH to deny the Ottoman Turk genetic element of the MENA region. These people ruled the region for 600 years! They had to have mixed with the native population/changed the genetics/culture within that LONG time frame etc )

-please edumucate me my kebabcels

-Am I misunderstanding this?

 

[longjohnmong]

yeah, how could a group of steppe nomads possibly overtake anything? it's not like there's a history of them doing that exact thing over and over again.

 

[banjojones]

yeah, how could a group of steppe nomads possibly overtake anything? it's not like there's a history of them doing that exact thing over and over again.

Ok but why overtake the scorching deserts you are not adapted to on the Arabian peninsula thousands of miles away? Why not overtake cooler grassy, and easier nearby targets like countries surrounding Mongolia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan etc. Why march all the way to an obscure peninsula in the Mediterranean like Anatolia?

 

[longjohnmong]

Ok but why overtake the scorching deserts you are not adapted to on the Arabian peninsula thousands of miles away? Why not overtake cooler grassy, and easier nearby targets like countries surrounding Mongolia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan etc. Why march all the way to an obscure peninsula in the Mediterranean like Anatolia?

I don't know. I just wanted to make a smart ass comment.

But, like, that was a pretty important area geographically and historically, not really that obscure.

 

[Shahnameh]

Siege of Baghdad - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[banjojones]

Siege of Baghdad - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

interesting. i knew the mongols DESTROYED Baghdad in a frenzy but after that did the Ottoman (central asians) branch off the Mongolian empire or were they "different" (i mean Turkik people are racially similar to Mongols however I heard Mongols fought with various steppe/turkik tribes etc)

 

[Shahnameh]

interesting. i knew the mongols DESTROYED Baghdad in a frenzy but after that did the Ottoman (central asians) branch off the Mongolian empire or were they "different" (i mean Turkik people are racially similar to Mongols however I heard Mongols fought with various steppe/turkik tribes etc)

After this the Seljuks sacked Baghdad
Than Timurids
Than Ottomans

Baghdad used to be the largest city in the world and was the New York or Tokyo of it's time until Turko Mongol Hordes absolutely destroyed it and massacred rhe inhabitants

They were ordered to each kill at least 10 arabs and bring back their heads.

 

[silently_said]

yemen got BLACKED by the kingdom of aksum

 

[psychomandible]

You're underestimating how important Anatolia is historically

 

[banjojones]

After this the Seljuks sacked Baghdad
Than Timurids
Than Ottomans

Baghdad used to be the largest city in the world and was the New York or Tokyo of it's time until Turko Mongol Hordes absolutely destroyed it and massacred rhe inhabitants

They were ordered to each kill at least 10 arabs and bring back their heads.

what are the Seljuks? Mongols? Who are the Timurids? Asiatics?

 

[banjojones]

yemen got BLACKED by the kingdom of aksum

Aksum/Ethiopians are Semites. MENA got "whiter" due to Turkik/"white" sex slaves/Ottoman influence etc

 

[noobs]

the Chinese kicked out the Turkic raiders so the Turks went west to raid those lands. the western warfare was all about tight armored formations but the Turks had strong bows that pierced chaimmail armor and when the Turkic fast light bow archers came they got destroyed.

Once the mongols was destroyed everything the Ottoman Empire was among the petite thief sons which formed. But the ottomans were the first to have a private army. The first ottoman rulers would scheme and backstab promises to gain lands a lot. And while this the Arabs had no stability causing trade to favor the stabile and centralized ottoman state

 

[Shahnameh]

what are the Seljuks? Mongols? Who are the Timurids? Asiatics?

Seljuks were Turks
Timurids were also Turks but from Uzbekistan

 

[Middle_ Albatross49]

Ok but why overtake the scorching deserts you are not adapted to on the Arabian peninsula thousands of miles away? Why not overtake cooler grassy, and easier nearby targets like countries surrounding Mongolia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan etc. Why march all the way to an obscure peninsula in the Mediterranean like Anatolia?

But they never took over the scorching deserts. It was left to the ruling bedouins and the leftovers of quarysh .

 

[Gonthar]

But they never took over the scorching deserts. It was left to the ruling bedouins and the leftovers of quarysh .

That map isn't accurate, we were never part of the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Middle_ Albatross49]

That map isn't accurate, we were never part of the Ottoman Empire.

Who's we?

 

[Gonthar]

Who's we?

We - Romania.

 

[Middle_ Albatross49]

We - Romania.

Dude your vampire guy was literally beheaded by the hungarians in favor for the Turks. Your government still pays jizya to the Turks .

 

[Gonthar]

Dude your vampire guy was literally beheaded by the hungarians in favor for the Turks.

These were vassal states not part of the Empire, they paid tribute to the Turks.

Your government still pays jizya to the Turks .

Lol, not since the independence war.

 

[lykoris]

Its confusing to me and historians are very vague about it and try to overlap Arabs/Turks who are NOT the same people. Arabs are Semites (similar to Mizrahi Jews in Israel) who originated from the Yemen area and have some degrees of black admixture (Hate to say. I mean look Yemen is VERY VERY close to Somalia. You have to be FOOLISH to deny that ZERO Sub Saharan DNA got in). On the other hand, Ottoman Turks orignated from (literally) Turkmenistan/parts of Mongolia. But conquered modern day Turkey (Anatolia)

How did some rough band of Asiatic hunters related to Ghengis Khan overtake settled agrarian Arab lands THOUSANDS OF MILES to the south and decide to make Anatolia their homeland rather than Mongolia/Turkmenistan? I heard a lot of Arab downfall was due to Arabs importing (whitish looking) Turkik (female sex) slaves and male soldiers from Turkmenistan/Mongolia. (Mamaluks). But the Arabs (stupidly) gave their slaves weapons/military training and they eventually overtook the Arab empires (Anatolia as well) and bred them out/intermarried. (sure Ottomans DID speak Arabic. But a Chinese person (technically the Turks WERE genetically similar to Chinese people) could learn Arabic/convert to Islam but STILL NOT be racially Arab etc). Seemed like a big racial/cultural change occurred.

Not to be a "we wuz kangz" type but LETS BE REAL. A LOT of modern Egyptians resemble ethnic Turks. They look NOTHING like the ancient Egyptians (ancient Egyptians were NOT "black" per se but they looked NOTHING like Modern Egyptians today. I do NOT want to get into a racial debate of weather ancient Egyptians were niggers or not . But it is FOOLISH to deny the Ottoman Turk genetic element of the MENA region. These people ruled the region for 600 years! They had to have mixed with the native population/changed the genetics/culture within that LONG time frame etc )

-please edumucate me my kebabcels

-Am I misunderstanding this?

Arabs arent indigenous to the arabian peninsula of today

 

[Middle_ Albatross49]

These were vassal states not part of the Empire, they paid tribute to the Turks.

Lol, not since the independence

Dude, don't believe the propoganda that your government feeds you. Read history. Your government still pays jizya to the Turks and you guys were literally under their jurisdiction .You people were slaves and nothing more. Keep coping