Hollow cheeks (and why you probably can't get them)

[minty]

First you have to actually define what hollow cheeks are.

Technically, 'hollow cheeks' is just a term for having a cheek area that is lean, and has no fat in it. However this is not what people mean when they say hollow cheeks.

Instead hollows on this forum tend to refer to this specific curved contour you see on the faces of some people, sometimes known as an 'ogee curve'
Here is an example below (this person does not exist)

This is NOT achieved through just getting lean. Actually, this type of facial leanness will never be achieved by the majority of the population, even if they were emaciated.
The reason is because structurally, a face needs to have high and wide cheekbones and a wide jaw with outward gonions for the hollow to develop this way.
Here is the same person with low and narrow cheekbones, and a slimmer jaw.

You can see, despite him being the same facial leanness as the other morph, his facial structure does not allow for him to have that sort of hollowing.

How to know if you have this facial structure

With ratios and angles in the face, there are always at least 2 facial landmarks used. As a result of this, the same value for a ratio can be explained multiple different ways. For example, a flat midface ratio could be the result of any one of these:

• Wide-set Eyes
• Short philtrum
• Compact nose

Because of this, the way to determine whether you have wide, laterally projected cheekbones is through general trends in measurements.
As a rule of thumb:

• If your ESR isn't above 0.47
• If your tFHWR isn't above 1.37
• If your FWHR isn't below 1.9

Your cheekbones trend to be wider and more laterally projected.
The average bizygomatic width in men is 143mm, so if you can measure it correctly, that will also tell you.

(although most people at home don't have a spreading caliper)

You measure your cheekbone height by dividing the distance from your upper lip to your cheekbone height, by the distance from your pupils to your upper lip. If that number is above 80%, you have high and ideal cheekbones, the higher the better. I've attached a photo of the measurement for better understanding.

You measure your jaw width by dividing bigonial width by bizygomatic width. If the number is above around 87%, you have a wide jaw. I've attached another photo.

And if all these measurements are in your favour, there's a good chance you have the potential to form that type of cheek hollowing.

If you do not have the potential, don't worry. This type of hollowing is grossly overrated in this community, and while it looks very aesthetic, it's really not that big a deal to people.

If you have any questions dm

 

[lucifer88]

water

 

[ccwb]

First you have to actually define what hollow cheeks are.

Technically, 'hollow cheeks' is just a term for having a cheek area that is lean, and has no fat in it. However this is not what people mean when they say hollow cheeks.

Instead hollows on this forum tend to refer to this specific curved contour you see on the faces of some people, sometimes known as an 'ogee curve'
Here is an example below (this person does not exist)
View attachment 4698396
This is NOT achieved through just getting lean. Actually, this type of facial leanness will never be achieved by the majority of the population, even if they were emaciated.
The reason is because structurally, a face needs to have high and wide cheekbones and a wide jaw with outward gonions for the hollow to develop this way.
Here is the same person with low and narrow cheekbones, and a slimmer jaw.
View attachment 4698419
You can see, despite him being the same facial leanness as the other morph, his facial structure does not allow for him to have that sort of hollowing.

How to know if you have this facial structure

With ratios and angles in the face, there are always at least 2 facial landmarks used. As a result of this, the same value for a ratio can be explained multiple different ways. For example, a flat midface ratio could be the result of any one of these:

• Wide-set Eyes
• Short philtrum
• Compact nose

Because of this, the way to determine whether you have wide, laterally projected cheekbones is through general trends in measurements.
As a rule of thumb:

• If your ESR isn't above 0.47
• If your tFHWR isn't above 1.37
• If your FWHR isn't below 1.9

Your cheekbones trend to be wider and more laterally projected.
The average bizygomatic width in men is 143mm, so if you can measure it correctly, that will also tell you.
View attachment 4698602
(although most people at home don't have a spreading caliper)

You measure your cheekbone height by dividing the distance from your upper lip to your cheekbone height, by the distance from your pupils to your upper lip. If that number is above 80%, you have high and ideal cheekbones, the higher the better. I've attached a photo of the measurement for better understanding.
View attachment 4698610
You measure your jaw width by dividing bigonial width by bizygomatic width. If the number is above around 87%, you have a wide jaw. I've attached another photo.
View attachment 4698623

And if all these measurements are in your favour, there's a good chance you have the potential to form that type of cheek hollowing.

If you do not have the potential, don't worry. This type of hollowing is grossly overrated in this community, and while it looks very aesthetic, it's really not that big a deal to people.

If you have any questions dm

Water,DNR,water
Did I say water?

 

[minty]

Water,DNR,water
Did I say water?

At least one person reading will gain value from this believe it or not this post wasn't aimed at incels who spend all day on here

 

[ccwb]

At least one person reading will gain value from this believe it or not this post wasn't aimed at incels who spend all day on here

Would make sense I’m a volcel tho

 

[cryptt]

Good thread

 

[fluoride1337]

DNR

 

[speak]

DNR

 

[minty]

DNR

thx for bumping thread

 

[StyIix]

First you have to actually define what hollow cheeks are.

Technically, 'hollow cheeks' is just a term for having a cheek area that is lean, and has no fat in it. However this is not what people mean when they say hollow cheeks.

Instead hollows on this forum tend to refer to this specific curved contour you see on the faces of some people, sometimes known as an 'ogee curve'
Here is an example below (this person does not exist)
View attachment 4698396
This is NOT achieved through just getting lean. Actually, this type of facial leanness will never be achieved by the majority of the population, even if they were emaciated.
The reason is because structurally, a face needs to have high and wide cheekbones and a wide jaw with outward gonions for the hollow to develop this way.
Here is the same person with low and narrow cheekbones, and a slimmer jaw.
View attachment 4698419
You can see, despite him being the same facial leanness as the other morph, his facial structure does not allow for him to have that sort of hollowing.

How to know if you have this facial structure

With ratios and angles in the face, there are always at least 2 facial landmarks used. As a result of this, the same value for a ratio can be explained multiple different ways. For example, a flat midface ratio could be the result of any one of these:

• Wide-set Eyes
• Short philtrum
• Compact nose

Because of this, the way to determine whether you have wide, laterally projected cheekbones is through general trends in measurements.
As a rule of thumb:

• If your ESR isn't above 0.47
• If your tFHWR isn't above 1.37
• If your FWHR isn't below 1.9

Your cheekbones trend to be wider and more laterally projected.
The average bizygomatic width in men is 143mm, so if you can measure it correctly, that will also tell you.
View attachment 4698602
(although most people at home don't have a spreading caliper)

You measure your cheekbone height by dividing the distance from your upper lip to your cheekbone height, by the distance from your pupils to your upper lip. If that number is above 80%, you have high and ideal cheekbones, the higher the better. I've attached a photo of the measurement for better understanding.
View attachment 4698610
You measure your jaw width by dividing bigonial width by bizygomatic width. If the number is above around 87%, you have a wide jaw. I've attached another photo.
View attachment 4698623

And if all these measurements are in your favour, there's a good chance you have the potential to form that type of cheek hollowing.

If you do not have the potential, don't worry. This type of hollowing is grossly overrated in this community, and while it looks very aesthetic, it's really not that big a deal to people.

If you have any questions dm

Good job on the high effort thread keep it up❤

 

[StyIix]

Danm mfs hating on this nigga at maximum capacity

 

[K34]

Over for me ngl

 

[pslgod15]

dnr fucking faggot

 

[semilooksmaxxer]

Top tier thread! Given an ideal jaw width 86-92%, there’s a strict rule to follow: the longer your face shape is, the more projected your cheekbones need to be.

Examples: Paul Walker and Vito Basso have long face shapes and lower FWHRs, but got hollow cheeks due to excellent, high set zygos.

 

[minty]

dnr fucking faggot

Damn bro did my thread hit a nerve or what? You must have some god-awful cheekbones

 

[Lookologist003]

Hollow cheeks are a band of many of the face's muscles. The canopy of the shade is the zygomaticus muscles. It connects to the rim of muscle around the mouth and chin. That rim of muscle is given depth by the underlying dentures or upper and lower jaws together. Lastly it connects to the chin.

Hollow cheeks are the hallmark of good craniofacial development, because only faces with a high facial depth ratio have them. The bigonial breadth is secondary to facial depth ratio in show of hollow cheeks.

To have them you must be quite forward grown. Faces with recessed jaws never have hollow cheeks.

Additionally, skull circumference matters. Because of the matter of muscle and how it becomes taught, larger faces make a tense muscle and sharp transition between the zygomaticus and the muscle around the mouth. Male skulls are on average larger, male faces tend to more easily have hollow cheeks. The immature skulls of children produce in their faces never any hollow cheeks.

I sketched a little bit of the idea on your photo. I got a little carried away, but the circular lines around the mouth are the muscle of the mouth. They join with the corners of the chin to make a U shape. The zygomaticus is the snaking tube thingy I drew between the mouth muscle and the cheekbone. This one muscle and its two terminals are the full rendering of hollow cheeks. Hopefully you can see what I think.

If you can't get them, that means you have insufficent facial depth possibly owing to a short cranial base

https://looksmax.org/threads/short-cranial-base-is-so-shit.1483494/

 

[minty]

Hollow cheeks are a band of many of the face's muscles. The canopy of the shade is the zygomaticus muscles. It connects to the rim of muscle around the mouth and chin. That rim of muscle is given depth by the underlying dentures or upper and lower jaws together. Lastly it connects to the chin.

Hollow cheeks are the hallmark of good craniofacial development, because only faces with a high facial depth ratio have them. The bigonial breadth is secondary to facial depth ratio in show of hollow cheeks.

To have them you must be quite forward grown. Faces with recessed jaws never have hollow cheeks.

Additionally, skull circumference matters. Because of the matter of muscle and how it becomes taught, larger faces make a tense muscle and sharp transition between the zygomaticus and the muscle around the mouth. Male skulls are on average larger, male faces tend to more easily have hollow cheeks. The immature skulls of children produce in their faces never any hollow cheeks.

View attachment 4786167
I sketched a little bit of the idea on your photo. I got a little carried away, but the circular lines around the mouth are the muscle of the mouth. They join with the corners of the chin to make a U shape. The zygomaticus is the snaking tube thingy I drew between the mouth muscle and the cheekbone. This one muscle and its two terminals are the full rendering of hollow cheeks. Hopefully you can see what I think.

If you can't get them, that means you have insufficent facial depth possibly owing to a short cranial base

https://looksmax.org/threads/short-cranial-base-is-so-shit.1483494/

Yeah I mean imo having hollows boils down to cheekbones, jaw width and bf%, and not much else, but I understand the fascination with the face and how all the muscles and bones work together, it's something I learn a lot about in my free time.