I don't want a le fort tbh. I will get MSE+FM done however + a lower jaw surgery to match. It's just that MSE advances the midface by 0.5 mm and the facemask by about 2 mm in men (according to Ting). I am just wondering how significant would a 2.5 mm advancement be.
mse is virtually useless if you're over a certain age unless you have it surgically assisted, and again most orthodontists will not perform this unless you have a deformation of sorts. mse is also horrible as an adult as even if surgically assisted you still require a lingual appliance and further surgery to correct problems with the mse. mse is not as in-and-out as u think it is, not for adults. however lower jaw surgeries are much less high maintenance and if performed with great material and by a good surgeon, you will get the aesthetic results you want, usually lasting a good amount of time. unless you're a seasoned plastic surgery enthusiast, id recommend trying out fillers first, to understand the angles you want, and to see what exactly you'd like done without spending the money. only after fillers would i recommend even thinking about any of these other operations. im med student fyi.
Not sure where you got your MSE information from. I have never heard anything even vaguely similar to that. But yeah your "advice" to do fillers instead is absolutely laughable. You are derailing the thread by the way.
sorry for derailing thread, but go to any non-jew surgeon and they will 100% recommend trying fillers first. permanent changes to your face arent a game like they're made out in psl forums. actually go out in the real world and ask. you can ascend with an easy surgery sure, but would u rather risk changes that are barely reversible, or ones that dont change the shape of your face for the rest of your life? opt for the safe option first, op. last post here.
If anything only a pseudo-doctor would recommend fillers to fix a structural deformity. Not to mention they nearly always look like shit, especially on men. Pretty much every single victim of camouflage orthodontics needs actual surgeries to fix their issue and not some plastic bullshit. Also I hope you realize most people who have gone through camouflage orthodontics have severely compromised airways. How would your already aesthetically ridiculous fillers fix that?
you're completely right, fillers dont fix structural deformities, but most people on these forums are simply unattractive for reasons unrelated to those that are structural, since they lie between angles considered normal, but maybe not ideal. only in that case would i suggest going for surgeries you suggest here, as an orthodontist would probably recommend that if at adult age anyway... that i mentioned in my second post. actual last reply. if want to continue pm me instead of reply in thread.
are you the guy from reddit
No but similar phenotype, eye goals
Stop spreading bad info jesus christ
Did you notice a noticeable aesthetic improvement after the two mm advancement?
holy shit buddy u psl lads are so deluded. lefort is a SERIOUS surgery that is much much more dangerous than getting a jaw implant. sure, u can definitely get a lefort i if you have a flat face or sunken teeth (although a carefully thought out premaxillary implant would probably fix the former better), but lefort ii and iii, cosmetically??? i invite u to talk this out with a team of surgeons and seeing what they have to say about it. unless you're willing to travel to turkey and having some scuffed bootleg surgeon performing it on you, you're completely not going to have lefort ii or iii done in the west, if you are considered NORMAL. end of story. apologize to op for completely buttfucking thread.
Stop back tracking jfl
Yes I absolutely did. If I could go back and do it again though, I think ~5mm would have been perfect for me.
Nigga wtf are u talking about.
Indeed!
A lot of people here are actually structurally deformed beleive it or not. If you look at how flat somebody side profile is, thats how you tell.(like me)
they moved it back.
You remove some of the bone.
I did not get it. But that is what he got. His mandible was entirely too forward grown to begin with, essentially meeting the tip of his nose. The majority of cases will not need one of the jaws moved back.
@RealSurgerymax what mm minimum is required for lefort to actuall make an aesthetic difference and what's the upper/max limit in millimeters for bimax/trimax for each chin mandible and maxilla respectively?
Obviously that depends but usually maximums for lefort will be 7 or 8 millimters and even those will need bine grafts to not have a stepoff.
So how noticeable would a 10mm maxilla advancement be?
Pictures are worth a thousand words so look up “Sleep Apnea Double Jaw Surgery Before and After”
If thats you then 5mm creates a big diffrence
