how can you as an atheist make fun of people who believe in a god, when you believe in gravity?

[Diᴏgenes]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

 

[jeff22]

 

[JordanFagget271]

@asdvek THIS is why u should stop saying religious people are stupid

 

[Diᴏgenes]

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get out my thread you clearly don't understand it. I'm not denying gravity at all but you're too retarded to read

 

[Diᴏgenes]

@asdvek THIS is why u should stop saying religious people are stupid

another one who lacks basic reading comprehension. Explain to me what my thread is about

 

[jeff22]

get out my thread you clearly don't understand it. I'm not denying gravity at all but you're too retarded to read

No bro your logic is Stright up homeless anus

 

[JordanFagget271]

another one who lacks basic reading comprehension. Explain to me what my thread is about

its about religious beliefs being religious beliefs but non religious people also having religious belief about gravity/sience
happy?

 

[Diᴏgenes]

No bro your logic is Stright up homeless anus

nah, logic holds up

 

[Diᴏgenes]

its about religious beliefs being religious beliefs but non religious people also having religious belief about gravity/sience
happy?

yes I am happy

 

[ascensionisgold]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

Imo I don't get how they believe there is an infinite chain of things that come from other things, how is that the case when we have the output?

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Imo I don't get how they believe there is an infinite chain of things that come from other things, how is that the case when we have the output?

I think you can only find people who believe in an infinite regress on tktok

 

[Diᴏgenes]

@Eversor @moggerofhumanity im curious what you think

 

[moggerofhumanity]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

Isn't it like a Bayesian thing? You see shi falling, so you start documenting it. You eventually come up with a theory of how it works and even formulae to predict it. You don't believe it the 1st time, nor the 2nd, and maybe not the 3rd but each time, you are more and more convinced of your theory. Like using Bayes' theorem. At first the probability that it is true might be 10%, but the 2nd time it goes up to 80% and so on...

Religion however, how can you use something like Bayes' theorem here? God came down ONCE... that's it. How can you enforce your beliefs with new data? Maybe you pray that you find $10 tmr, and you did. You prayed that u do again but nope doesn't happen anymore. Unless you pray for the sun to rise everyday, there's not really anything by which you can update your belief to be more and more convinced of it...
I'm not an atheist tho, just playing devil's advocate

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Isn't it like a Bayesian thing? You see shi falling, so you start documenting it. You eventually come up with a theory of how it works and even formulae to predict it. You don't believe it the 1st time, nor the 2nd, and maybe not the 3rd but each time, you are more and more convinced of your theory. Like using Bayes' theorem. At first the probability that it is true might be 10%, but the 2nd time it goes up to 80% and so on...

Religion however, how can you use something like Bayes' theorem here? God came down ONCE... that's it. How can you enforce your beliefs with new data? Maybe you pray that you find $10 tmr, and you did. You prayed that u do again but nope doesn't happen anymore. Unless you pray for the sun to rise everyday, there's not really anything by which you can update your belief to be more and more convinced of it...
I'm not an atheist tho, just playing devil's advocate

but you're still just observing shit you see, not the actual thing causing shit to fall. You presuppose that gravity is real when we interpret something falling. Yadayada my point is they make the same leaps and appeals to authority by saying "scientists have proved it" without even knowing why and how we interpret the shit we see the way we do

about religion I agree and that's why I said "a god" instead of God, so it was more agnostic in nature typeshit.

anyway bible says earth is flat therefore it's flat = scientist say gravity is real go google it

 

[moggerofhumanity]

but you're still just observing shit you see, not the actual thing causing shit to fall. You presuppose that gravity is real when we interpret something falling. Yadayada my point is they make the same leaps and appeals to authority by saying "scientists have proved it" without even knowing why and how we interpret the shit we see the way we do

about religion I agree and that's why I said "a god" instead of God, so it was more agnostic in nature typeshit.

anyway bible says earth is flat therefore it's flat = scientist say gravity is real go google it

Ok yea I truly got what you mean now.
Anyways, does the bible say the earth's flat and not in a metaphoric way tho?

 

[richoxne]

Are you agnostic or something like that?

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Ok yea I truly got what you mean now.
Anyways, does the bible say the earth's flat and not in a metaphoric way tho?

yes, king James bible removed it tho but im not sure of the context the church father's say it's complicated "it matters not" but yea the earth is flat for sure. I'll start making threads about it just to ragebait niggas

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Are you agnostic or something like that?

no

 

[Diᴏgenes]

no

i'm lutheran

 

[FutureSlayer]

I don't get how those two even correlate, you can be an atheist while not trusting the mainstream gravity explanations

 

[Diᴏgenes]

I don't get how those two even correlate, you can be an atheist while not trusting the mainstream gravity explanations

sure but that's not the average atheist

 

[FutureSlayer]

sure but that's not the average atheist

I guess the average christian also believes in gravity

 

[The Grinch]

you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

In other words:

 

[Diᴏgenes]

I guess the average christian also belives in gravity

only those going to hell, anyway you are missing the point

 

[FutureSlayer]

only those going to hell, anyway you are missing the point

No, I get your point but that makes no sense. Believing in gravity and/or in God is simply not correlated if nor for little new world christian cults or smth

 

[Diᴏgenes]

No, I get your point but that makes no sense. Believing in gravity and/or in God is simply not correlated if nor for little new world christian cults or smth

no, you're not getting it. both gravity and a god are unseen explanations for something we can't directly observe. atheists mock the others for believing in an invisible explanation

 

[Diᴏgenes]

and the going to hell part was a joke obviously

 

[FutureSlayer]

no, you're not getting it. both gravity and a god are unseen explanations for something we can't directly observe. atheists mock the others for believing in an invisible explanation

Yeah, but that's different. God is not only an explanation for a phenomenon but an entity itself. If you want to make a fair comparison I think even the average atheist believes in the Unmoved mover aka the big bang

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

Gravity isnt a force

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Yeah, but that's different. God is not only an explanation for a phenomenon but an entity itself

I said "a god" to try and avoid personhood since most agnostics just label whatever the uncaused cause is as God. But it's still besides the point

. If you want to make a fair comparison I think even the average atheist believes in the Unmoved mover aka the big bang

Average atheist believes the Big Bang either came from "quantum nothing" or an infinite regress

 

[FutureSlayer]

I said "a god" to try and avoid personhood since most agnostics just label whatever the uncaused cause is as God. But it's still besides the point

Average atheist believes the Big Bang either came from "quantum nothing" or an infinite regress

You believe in infinite regress/arising from quantum nothing as well.
If not, tell me when and how God was born

 

[Diᴏgenes]

You believe in infinite regress/arising from quantum nothing as well.
If not, tell me when and how God was born

doesn't even make sense. When was God born? how can you be born before time even existed

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

Where's my Jobros here???
Btw I believe the essence of believing in gravity is the same as believing in a God. The theory of gravity basically goes like this, things inevitably falls down, AKA FATE. U can try to jump or fly but u will inevitably come down, u can try to fight fate but if things are meant to be then it will be, inevitably and naturally. U can try to put people in a system where they're enslaved but they will crave freedom, bcs we're not meant to be enslaved. U can try to brainwash women into thinking that not needing a man=freedom, but deep down they will still crave a man. U can try to force humans to eat goyslop but we will still know to crave real food without being taught just with our intuition. This means that there's a state that things are meant to be, and if u stray away from that, things will naturally and inevitably wants to go back to that original design that it's meant to be. If u believe in gravity, u already believe in a God

 

[FutureSlayer]

doesn't even make sense. When was God born? how can you be born before time even existed

So you do believe in God being infinite and without a starting point, how is that different from believing the universe itself follows that same concept

 

[Diᴏgenes]

So you do believe in God being infinite and without a starting point, how is that different from believing the universe itself follows that same concept

You believe in the Big Bang so you can't say it's infinite without a starting point

 

[FutureSlayer]

You believe in the Big Bang so you can't say it's infinite without a starting point

You talked about the infinite regress, that doesn't have a starting point

 

[Diᴏgenes]

You talked about the infinite regress, that doesn't have a starting point

I feel like you're all over the place trying to trap me in something I haven't said. it's this simple, if the universe is infinite then you reject the big bang

 

[FutureSlayer]

I feel like you're all over the place trying to trap me in something I haven't said. it's this simple, if the universe is infinite then you reject the big bang

The universe following the infinite regress means it has multiple infinite big bangs without a first one

 

[Diᴏgenes]

The universe following the infinite regress means it has multiple infinite big bangs without a first one

that's only possible in abstract thinking. an infinite amount of big bangs over and over again doesn't solve how it started

 

[Sujumh]

uh i throw shit, it falls
u call for ur skydaddy, he doesnt appear
gravity mogs

 

[GrubGuy]

"How do you know there is oxygen in the air if you cant see it?" retard

 

[FutureSlayer]

that's only possible in abstract thinking. an infinite amount of big bangs over and over again doesn't solve how it started

Same for God not being born, this is what I am telling you

 

[Diᴏgenes]

"How do you know there is oxygen in the air if you cant see it?" retard

maybe take an epistemology class you fucking retard

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Same for God not being born, this is what I am telling you

no because you believe in the Big Bang which is a starting point

 

[FutureSlayer]

no because you believe in the Big Bang which is a starting point

Dude are you trolling or what lmao I just told you the big bang is the starting point of this particular universe iteration, not the real first cause in the chairlink of events belonging to the infinite regress

 

[Diᴏgenes]

it's also two different problems what you're proposing is an impossibility only possible in the abstract world

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Dude are you trolling or what lmao I just told you the big bang is the starting point of this particular universe iteration, not the real first cause in the chairlink of events belonging to the infinite regress

it's impossible which you don't understand. Now you have to prove that an infinite regress is possible outside of abstract thinking

 

[FutureSlayer]

it's impossible which you don't understand. Now you have to prove that an infinite regress is possible outside of abstract thinking

I don't even actually think it's possible. Same reason I think God being infinite isn't

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Same reason I think God being infinite isn't

let me hear your best argument for that then

 

[FutureSlayer]

let me hear your best argument for that then

You either believe in both the infinite regress and God not being born are possible or you believe in both being possibly false.
You can't tell me the infinite regress is false because you can't grasp something not having a first cause and tell me God isn't born because he is not subjected to time