how can you as an atheist make fun of people who believe in a god, when you believe in gravity?

[Diᴏgenes]

You either believe in both the infinite regress and God not being born are possible or you believe in both being possibly false.
You can't tell me the infinite regress is false because you can't grasp something not having a first cause and tell me God isn't born because he is not subjected to time

one is dependent on time, one is outside of time

it's a false equivocation

 

[FutureSlayer]

one is dependent on time, one is outside of time

it's a false equivocation

Well, as we never encountered anything being outside of time your assumption is unfalsifiable hence of the same consistency of a giant invisible unicorn roaming around. I can't prove it or disprove it

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Well, as we never encountered anything being outside of time your assumption is unfalsifiable hence of the same consistency of a giant invisible unicorn roaming around. I can't prove it or disprove it

yea, I agree pretty much except for the unicorn shit

 

[FutureSlayer]

yea, I agree pretty much except for the unicorn shit

Would you be able to disprove there's a unicorn currently existing outside of time?

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Would you be able to disprove there's a unicorn currently existing outside of time?

no, but a flying unicorn outside of time isn't necessary, an uncaused cause is

 

[FutureSlayer]

no, but a flying unicorn outside of time isn't necessary, an uncaused cause is

Why does our reality require an uncaused cause outside of it and the uncaused cause doesn't require one?

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Why does our reality require an uncaused cause outside of it and the uncaused cause doesn't require one?

because we are inside of time

 

[FutureSlayer]

because we are inside of time

Why can't time be infinite both in the past and the future without a cause then. If the future can have an infinite amount of time why can't the past? Numbers are infinite boh in the negative and in the positive, you cannot find a "first" negative number or a "last positive" number

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Why can't time be infinite both in the past and the future without a cause then. If the future can have an infinite amount of time why can't the past? Numbers are infinite boh in the negative and in the positive, you cannot find a "first" negative number or a "last positive" number

math is abstract, infinity isn't possible in the real world. also you believe the Big Bang was the start of time no? so how can it be an infinite amount of time away from us

 

[Laqi]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

JFL AT YOUR IQ

 

[FutureSlayer]

math is abstract, infinity isn't possible in the real world. also you believe the Big Bang was the start of time no? so how can it be an infinite amount of time away from us

Why can't an infinite future be possible, it's pretty easy to imagine actually

 

[Diᴏgenes]

JFL AT YOUR IQ

explain to me how it isn't logically sound or get out of my thread and I'll just assume you didn't understand it

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Why can't an infinite future be possible, it's pretty easy to imagine actually

idk tbh because it doesn't exist? i'd have to say it's only potential time so not an actual infinity

 

[notagreycell]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

I dont believe in anything so im good

 

[Laqi]

explain to me how it isn't logically sound or get out of my thread and I'll just assume you didn't understand it

It is illogical to think that there is invisible force behind apple that falls jfl.
It falls because something is pulling it towards itself, that's what we call gravity you stupid fuck not some magic

 

[Sprinkles]

They'll regurgitate whatever bullshit societal" authorities" have indoctrinated them with and presents as fact with contrived evidence

 

[Idontknow-]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

 

[FutureSlayer]

idk tbh because it doesn't exist? i'd have to say it's only potential time so not an actual infinity

We can't disprove it or prove it as we're not eternal. The thing is discussing if it's plausible and it sounds realistic to me. I don't get why things necessarily need to have an end

 

[Diᴏgenes]

It is illogical to think that there is invisible force behind apple that falls jfl.
It falls because something is pulling it towards itself, that's what we call gravity you stupid fuck not some magic

wow you're stupid you legit just described an invisible force

 

[Diᴏgenes]

We can't disprove it or prove it as we're not eternal. The thing is discussing if it's plausible and it sounds realistic to me. I don't get why things necessarily need to have an end

But an infinite future would never become an actual infinity

 

[FutureSlayer]

It is illogical to think that there is invisible force behind apple that falls jfl.
It falls because something is pulling it towards itself, that's what we call gravity you stupid fuck not some magic

He's not discussing the end result but the force that causes it. Flat earth believers frame it as the object specific weight being higher than air's hence making the object fall, they don't believe mass warps the spacetime fabric of reality

 

[FutureSlayer]

But an infinite future would never become an actual infinity

Not by your personal pov but it is from a logical perspective

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Not by your personal pov but it is from a logical perspective

abstractly maybe

 

[paladincel_]

You would see the explanation yourself if you had the ability to, and you have the ability to look at the simpler explanations. There is no explanation in the bible, only faith.

I guess OP just literally can't understand the context of an argument and is a level 0 faggot claiming "oh this claim resembles this claim, so no matter how different the arguments and the contexts for the arguments, this means that athiests are just as stupid as meeeeeeee!!!"

On top of OP getting everything wrong:

Also gravity isn't a fucking force, just objects moving according to the spacetime map.

 

[Diᴏgenes]

You would see the explanation yourself if you had the ability to, and you have the ability to look at the simpler explanations. There is no explanation in the bible, only faith.

I guess OP just literally can't understand the context of an argument and is a level 0 faggot claiming "oh this claim resembles this claim, so no matter how different the arguments and the contexts for the arguments, this means that athiests are just as stupid as meeeeeeee!!!"

so basically you didn't understand shit of what I said and just strawmanned my argument. but yea I'm the low iq one

On top of OP getting everything wrong:

Also gravity isn't a fucking force, just objects moving according to the spacetime map.

definition doesn't matter, premise still holds

 

[Francisco_Bs]

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

Bible

 

[paladincel_]

<insert generic gibberish>. but yea I'm the low iq one

definition doesn't matter, premise still holds

This is what you said:

you just see shit fall from trees and assume there's an invisible force behind it, basically you believe in magic. And how do you even know the stuff they claim "proves gravity" actually proves gravity? all you ever see are effects, not any cause. you're just blindly trusting some science niggas because they're smarter than you, sounds a lot like religious people

tldr - the earth is flat because my bible tells me so

This is what I said:

You would see the explanation yourself if you had the ability to, and you have the ability to look at the simpler explanations. There is no explanation in the bible, only faith.

I guess OP just literally can't understand the context of an argument and is a level 0 faggot claiming "oh this claim resembles this claim, so no matter how different the arguments and the contexts for the arguments, this means that athiests are just as stupid as meeeeeeee!!!"

On top of OP getting everything wrong:

Also gravity isn't a fucking force, just objects moving according to the spacetime map.

Claiming atheists believe in magic is imbecilic because again you can actually test out for yourself to see if the conclusion is true, while there is no experiment to prove God is real.

 

[Diᴏgenes]

This is what you said:



This is what I said:



Claiming atheists believe in magic is imbecilic because again you can actually test out for yourself to see if the conclusion is true, while there is no experiment to prove God is real.

you obviously lack the brain capacity to understand my thread dipshit. you are testing for effect, get that through your little head. you believe in an unseen cause, which I called magic to make fun of you. same as how I made fun of flat earthers in the tldr part

 

[paladincel_]

you obviously lack the brain capacity to understand my thread dipshit. you are testing for effect, get that through your little head. you believe in an unseen cause, which I called magic to make fun of you. same as how I made fun of flat earthers in the tldr part

You believe in an unseen cause for God himself, in both science and religion you can ask "what is the cause of that" and then when the explanation is given just asking "what is the cause of that."

Get it through your little head that there are also causes that science finds, which you can test. There are 0 in religion which you can test. Both run into a block if you keep asking "but what caused that" yet science goes further.

 

[Aladin]

The universe following the infinite regress means it has multiple infinite big bangs without a first one

“The universe has always been in existence”

 

[FutureSlayer]

“The universe has always been in existence”

“God has always been in existence”
pretty similar duh

 

[Diᴏgenes]

You believe in an unseen cause for God himself, in both science and religion you can ask "what is the cause of that" and then when the explanation is given just asking "what is the cause of that."

again, you simply do not understand my thread please go and read it. No I do not believe in an unseen cause for God because it doesn't make any sense at all........ how can something outside of time have a cause?

Get it through your little head that there are also causes that science finds, which you can test. There are 0 in religion which you can test. Both run into a block if you keep asking "but what caused that" yet science goes further.

no one knows the cause of gravity as its never been observed. that should be the end of this but I expect another low iq argument from you because you are emotional

 

[Diᴏgenes]

“God has always been in existence”
pretty similar duh

one has a starting point tho

 

[FutureSlayer]

one has a starting point tho

and the other is unfalsifiable hence we cannot even discuss it

 

[Diᴏgenes]

and the other is unfalsifiable hence we cannot even discuss it

yea we could go on forever

 

[Aladin]

“God has always been in existence”
pretty similar duh

Except science doesn’t suggest the universe has always been in existence, it suggests there was a starting point.

 

[paladincel_]

again, you simply do not understand my thread please go and read it.

I don't see how I could further debunk this. I guess you're attached to this idiotic reddit-tier parrot garbage to the point where you will never let go of it. This is not just moronic it's embarrassing.

I understand the thread completely but you don't see why the arguments and context are different, the claim being similar makes no difference here.

again, you simply do not understand my thread please go and read it. No I do not believe in an unseen cause for God because it doesn't make any sense at all........ how can something outside of time have a cause?

no one knows the cause of gravity as its never been observed. that should be the end of this but I expect another low iq argument from you because you are emotional

What if the cause is also outside of time? What if the cause has 0 evidence compared to scientific causes?

"Oh but then it can't create God blah blah" but God caused time or at least things inside of time, while being outside of it... so....

You haven't clarified if you mean ultimate cause (already debunked in my previous comment) or if you mean just an explanation. If you mean just an explanation then it's there and it's a better process than faith.

 

[FutureSlayer]

Except science doesn’t suggest the universe has always been in existence, it suggests there was a starting point.

"science" doesn't suggest anything nigga. There's been multiple different standpoints which are researched rn

 

[Diᴏgenes]

I don't see how I could further debunk this. I guess you're attached to this idiotic reddit-tier parrot garbage to the point where you will never let go of it. This is not just moronic it's embarrassing.

I understand the thread completely but you don't see why the arguments and context are different, the claim being similar makes no difference here.



What if the cause is also outside of time? What if the cause has 0 evidence compared to scientific causes?

"Oh but then it can't create God blah blah" but God caused time or at least things inside of time, while being outside of it... so....

You haven't clarified if you mean ultimate cause (already debunked in my previous comment) or if you mean just an explanation. If you mean just an explanation then it's there and it's a better process than faith.

are you serious nigga? are you in 9th grade or something

 

[Diᴏgenes]

"science" doesn't suggest anything nigga. There's been multiple different standpoints which are researched rn

do you believe the universe is contingent?

 

[paladincel_]

I might need to have a cry over losing both the ultimate cause and observed cause part of the argument.

Fair enough.

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Fair enough.

or maybe I don't want to argue with some retard who isn't even thinking about what I say, makes 100 different logical fallacies in 4 replies (exaggerated ofc but u get the point) and comes off as an obnoxious kid

 

[paladincel_]

or maybe I don't want to argue with some retard who isn't even thinking about what I say, makes 100 different logical fallacies in 4 replies (exaggerated ofc but u get the point) and comes off as an obnoxious kid

Why do this shit? Just go back to reddit.

"There's this one thing which science can't really explain but they observe it, test it and make progress to understand it, so it's basically the same as magic."

Actual brainrot, no reason to debate on this site.

 

[paladincel_]

I don't see how I could further debunk this. I guess you're attached to this idiotic reddit-tier parrot garbage to the point where you will never let go of it. This is not just moronic it's embarrassing.

Bump.

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Why do this shit? Just go back to reddit.

"There's this one thing which science can't really explain but they observe it, test it and make progress to understand it, so it's basically the same as magic."

Actual brainrot, no reason to debate on this site.

Jesus nigga take an iq test, I've explained this to you three times now. you can observe the effects not the cause, do you know what the difference is? and I've already told you, I said magic to make fun of retard like you

 

[Diᴏgenes]

Bump.

it's not a debunk. why should I accept all your presuppositions?

 

[paladincel_]

Jesus nigga take an iq test

128 but way smarter in reality. No wonder you also believe IQ is real despite it having 0 evidence since you can't

understand how verification of claims works.

I've explained this to you three times now. you can observe the effects not the cause, do you know what the difference is?

Are my comments above invisible to you? Like literally if you're a third party watching me waste time on someone who in 99% of other scenarios would just be a low tier troll, just read me saying the word "cause" and see that I directly addressed it.

and I've already told you, I said magic to make fun of retard like you

Well that's your claim regardless.

 

[Diᴏgenes]

128 but way smarter in reality. No wonder you also believe IQ is real despite it having 0 evidence since you can't

understand how verification of claims works.



Are my comments above invisible to you? Like literally if you're a third party watching me waste time on someone who in 99% of other scenarios would just be a low tier troll, just read me saying the word "cause" and see that I directly addressed it.



Well that's your claim regardless.

in your "debunk" you are making a bunch of presuppositions that I have no reason to accept. over faggot

 

[paladincel_]

Just scroll up, go ahead, see me debunking "I'm just talking about the cause not the effect" at least 2 times in the cleanest way possible for a literal fucking INFANT to understand.

 

[paladincel_]

done with this troll