Discussion how did you explain mohammed saw succcess if he is not a real prophet

[Deleted member 4438]

my opinion about islam and the prophet is really swaying

on the one site, he did really controversial shit, hard to tell if it was right or wrong

but nevertheless, its a fact that mohammed saw is one of the most successful man in human history, if not even the most successful

what he accomplished is insane, even bringing some western legends to shame

over 1,5 billion muslims now, people who "whorship" and honor him every day and so on and so on

So, how do you explain that?

How did a 40 year old arab accomplished so many and even survived 1000 assenisation on him

you have 1 million scripts about him "he was the greatest, he was the prettiest, he was the HIGHEST-IQ" and and and

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

Because islamcels are stupid low iq subhumans who got manipulated and brainwashed by that nigga mohammed or whatever the fuck his name is

 

[Deleted member 6475]

Spoiler: xd

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Because islamcels are stupid low iq subhumans who got manipulated and brainwashed by that nigga mohammed or whatever the fuck his name is

bro all of them wanted to kill him at the beginning

what he did was blasphemy at that time

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Spoiler: xd

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bro never doxx your adress

or they will gonna try to kill you

 

[Deleted member 5052]

Was he a chad though?

 

[Deleted member 6475]

bro never doxx your adress

or they will gonna try to kill you

i know

 

[Aesthetics_III]

Idk bro how did Christian Europe manage to conquer 80% of the world if Jesus wasn’t the real prophet

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Was he a chad though?

they say he was a chad

but we cant really know

 

[Chad69]

And here are 2.5-3 bilion Christians who have done more great things then every muslim combined

 

[buckchadley31]

Was he a chad though?

He was married to 11 women

 

[Zygos4Life]

1) History is written by the Victors
Any reference to Mohammad that represents him as a "superhuman" of sorts like "he was the prettiest, highest IQ" was done to assert him above other human beings on purpose, eventhough he was just a normal human being.
This has been done many times throughout history, not just to Mohammad.

2) 1.5 billion Muslims worshipping him doesn't mean anything, religion is easily spread by brainwashing children at young ages.

There was a point in history where the majority of people in Europe worshipped Roman Gods from the influence and spread of the Roman Empire.
That doesn't give any credibility to the Religion at all, and neither does it give any sort of Prophet/superhuman credibility to the Creator of the Roman Religion.

 

[penis3]

How do muslims cope when Jesus is the real chad Prophet?

 

[Gaia262]

I cringe everytime some one says "mohamed"

It's basically an insult in the UK thanks to the anti Muslim rheteroic.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

1) History is written by the Victors
Any reference to Mohammad that represents him as a "superhuman" of sorts like "he was the prettiest, highest IQ" was done to assert him above other human beings on purpose, eventhough he was just a normal human being.
This has been done many times throughout history, not just to Mohammad.

2) 1.5 billion Muslims worshipping him doesn't mean anything, religion is easily spread by brainwashing children at young ages.

There was a point in history where the majority of people in Europe worshipped Roman Gods from the influence and spread of the Roman Empire.
That doesn't give any credibility to the Religion at all, and neither does it give any sort of Prophet/superhuman credibility to the Creator of the Roman Religion.

how did you explain that he survived so many attacks on him and died an natural death

just think about malcolm x or martin luther king

 

[Deleted member 4438]

@Aesthetics_III

bro, jesus lived a dogs life and died a dogs death to be honest

and got crucified, his religion got spread afterwards

mohammed lived like chad

 

[Zygos4Life]

how did you explain that he survived so many attacks on him and died an natural death

just think about malcolm x or martin luther king

He was a Warlord Conqueror, and he had tons of allies to support him in combat.
He also could've just had good luck
Many Emperor's in history have had great military success and luck. E.g. the mongol empire, British Empire, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, etc.

 

[needsolution]

@Aesthetics_III

bro, jesus lived a dogs life and died a dogs death to be honest

and got crucified, his religion got spread afterwards

mohammed lived like chad

More like pedophile.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

He was a Warlord Conqueror, and he had tons of allies to support him in combat.
He also could've just had good luck
Many Emperor's in history have had great military success and luck. E.g. the mongol empire, British Empire, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, etc.

at the beginning he was by far outnumbered and had to flee out his city and so on

he found some allies though

and what he did was extreme risky man

his chance to die at the beginning of his prophecys was like 99,99% and 0,01% of success

its like lottery man

and so many warlords got poisoned and so on
malcolm x killed, marthin luther killed, king alexander and cengiz khan got also poisoned or something right?

 

[Deleted member 4438]

More like pedophile.

of course dude

he demanded a kid wife and they gave it to him

he could have gotten anything he wanted

 

[Gonthar]

how did you explain that he survived so many attacks on him and died an natural death

Didn't he die poisoned by Jews, why didn't Allah save him if he was the real prophet?

 

[Zygos4Life]

at the beginning he was by far outnumbered and had to flee out his city and so on

he found some allies though

and what he did was extreme risky man

his chance to die at the beginning of his prophecys was like 99,99% and 0,01% of success

its like lottery man

and so many warlords got poisoned and so on
malcolm x killed, marthin luther killed, king alexander and cengiz khan got also poisoned or something right?

"Proposed causes of Alexander's death included alcoholic liver disease, fever, and strychnine poisoning, but little data support those versions. According to the University of Maryland School of Medicine report of 1998, Alexander probably died of typhoid fever (which, along with malaria, was common in ancient Babylon)." - Alexander died from Natural causes (disease)

"The exact cause of his death is unknown. Some historians maintain that he fell off a horse while on a hunt, and died of fatigue and injuries. Others contend that he died of respiratory disease.* - Genghis Khan's cause of death is unknown, but he lived to an old age

I'm not saying Mohammad wasn't successful at spreading his empire, he definitely was.
He just wasn't a superhuman prophet type of person, he was just a regular human being.

There's been plenty of people becoming millionaires/billionaires when the odds are stacked against them, that doesn't mean that they're superhumans. They just got lucky.

Just because someone gets lucky when the odds are stacked against them, it doesn't mean that they have superpowers.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Didn't he die poisoned by Jews, why didn't Allah save him if he was the real prophet?

bro he didnt die on poison as much as i know

he was over 60 in year 600 after christus

 

[needsolution]

of course dude

he demanded a kid wife and they gave it to him

he could have gotten anything he wanted

Glad to know even muslims know he was filthy pedophile.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

"Proposed causes of Alexander's death included alcoholic liver disease, fever, and strychnine poisoning, but little data support those versions. According to the University of Maryland School of Medicine report of 1998, Alexander probably died of typhoid fever (which, along with malaria, was common in ancient Babylon)." - Alexander died from Natural causes (disease)

"The exact cause of his death is unknown. Some historians maintain that he fell off a horse while on a hunt, and died of fatigue and injuries. Others contend that he died of respiratory disease.* - Genghis Khan's cause of death is unknown, but he lived to an old age

I'm not saying Mohammad wasn't successful at spreading his empire, he definitely was.
He just wasn't a superhuman prophet type of person, he was just a regular human being.

There's been plenty of people becoming millionaires/billionaires when the odds are stacked against them, that doesn't mean that they're superhumans. They just got lucky.

Just because someone gets lucky when the odds are stacked against them, it doesn't mean that they have superpowers.

yeah

and people like to call this extreme level of luck gods divine will

and mohammad had far more luck than any lottery winner though

 

[Zygos4Life]

yeah

and people like to call this extreme level of luck gods divine will

and mohammad had far more luck than any lottery winner though

There isn't any proof other than stories that prove his luck being due to a gods divine will.

Also:
"Back when the balls went up to 49, you had about a 1 in 14 million chance of winning. But with the numbers 50–59 joining the party, the odds have jumped to 1 in 45 million."
1 in 45 million chance of winning the lottery
And there has been several lottery winners
Are they prophets?

 

[Deleted member 4438]

There isn't any proof other than stories that prove his luck being due to a gods divine will.

Also:
"Back when the balls went up to 49, you had about a 1 in 14 million chance of winning. But with the numbers 50–59 joining the party, the odds have jumped to 1 in 45 million."
1 in 45 million chance of winning the lottery
And there has been several lottery winners
Are they prophets?

i said mohammeds luck surpasses that of any lottery winner

 

[Zygos4Life]

i said mohammeds luck surpasses that of any lottery winner

Is there any data/statistics that has measured his probability of surviving all of those attacks?

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Is there any data/statistics that has measured his probability of surviving all of those attacks?

in his early years the possibility of dying was extreme high i would say

after he gained many allies it went down drastically of course

but even then the possibility of dying far surpassed that of an average human

think about it, an average human stays invisible his entire life

this guy tried to spread his religion over the whole world

nah no statistics i know

 

[Deleted member 4438]

@Zygos4Life

other conquerors didnt even try to spread a religion though

cengiz khan or alexander the great did complete different things compared to mohammed

 

[Aesthetics_III]

@Aesthetics_III

bro, jesus lived a dogs life and died a dogs death to be honest

and got crucified, his religion got spread afterwards

mohammed lived like chad

Okay then so you respect power rather than goodnes/everything else.

Why would that show that Mohammed was a real/true prophet

 

[Deleted member 3702]

And here are 2.5-3 bilion Christians who have done more great things then every muslim combined

Are u low iq ? muslims were way more advanced during medieval and religious times

 

[Zygos4Life]

in his early years the possibility of dying was extreme high i would say

after he gained many allies it went down drastically of course

but even then the possibility of dying far surpassed that of an average human

think about it, an average human stays invisible his entire life

this guy tried to spread his religion over the whole world

nah no statistics i know

Let's assume that Mohammads probability of dying was extremely high and he survived eventhough the odds were stacked against him.
Whatever the probability is, be it high or low, of someone overcoming something when the odds are stacked against him is not an indicator at all that the person is a superhuman prophet.
Let's say that one person had a 1 in a million chance of winning the lottery, whilst another person had a 1 in 15 of winning the lottery.
Does that make the 1 in 15 million person a superhuman prophet? Just because one obstacle one person had to face was vastly greater than another's, doesn't mean that the person with the higher odds stacked against them was a prophet.



Also yeah, Genghis Khan could've very well started his own religion and enforced a Jizyah tax wherever place he conquered to force convert people, but he didn't.

The only difference between Genghis and Mohammad was that Mohammad created an oppresive religion intended to be spread, whilst Genghis didn't.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Okay then so you respect power rather than goodnes/everything else.

Why would that show that Mohammed was a real/true prophet

bro

the church intrumentalized jesus teachings to spread war over the whole world
most christians even say that was never what jesus wanted

mohamed on the other hand did all his shit himself

with that logic buddha is also an prophet like jesus, they basically did the same

 

[Chad69]

Are u low iq ? muslims were way more advanced during medieval and religious times

Who tf discovered America then?Who tf invited the first steam machine?Low IQ

 

[Deleted member 7697]

Nikola Tesla alone has more inventions than 2 billion Muslims combined. Arabs are subhumans and dragged the superior Turks, Iranians, down with them with shitslam

 

[Aesthetics_III]

bro

the church intrumentalized jesus teachings to spread war over the whole world
most christians even say that was never what jesus wanted

mohamed on the other hand did all his shit himself

with that logic buddha is also an prophet like jesus, they basically did the same

okay that’s interesting and all but why does spreading your religion through the sword indicate you are the true prophet

 

[Deleted member 3702]

Who tf discovered America then?Who tf invited the first steam machine?Low IQ

Yeah discovering of america was during medieval times and it’s not an invention just killing innocent natives and taking their homeland

 

[AbandonShip]

Idk bro how did Christian Europe manage to conquer 80% of the world if Jesus wasn’t the real prophet

But Jesus was a sandnigga just like muhammad

 

[Aesthetics_III]

just killing innocent natives and taking their homeland

chad trait

 

[Deleted member 3702]

chad trait

Not very chad now this American society

 

[Aesthetics_III]

Not very chad now this American society

over for americucks tbh.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

@Aesthetics_III

didnt say he was a real prophet

but mohammed accomplished far more than jesus in his own life-span

 

[Deleted member 7697]

Both were subhuman sand niggers.

 

[Chad69]

Yeah discovering of america was during medieval times and it’s not an invention just killing innocent natives and taking their homeland

Who tf speaks about medieval time?Literally nothing special happened during that time....muslims were only attacking,looting,raiding innocent countries
Do you consider that as Achievement?

 

[Deleted member 3702]

okay that’s interesting and all but why does spreading your religion through the sword indicate you are the true prophet

What about the crusaders who massacred everyone in the east(muslims, orthodoxs, pagans)

 

[Deleted member 4438]

Who tf speaks about medieval time?Literally nothing special happened during that time....muslims were only attacking,looting,raiding innocent countries
Do you consider that as Achievement?

what are this double standards dude

every human conqueror did the same in history

USA is even looting arab countrys now in 2000

 

[Aesthetics_III]

@Aesthetics_III

didnt say he was a real prophet

but mohammed accomplished far more than jesus in his own life-span

“how did you explain mohammed saw succcess if he is not a real prophet”

You imply that Muhammad’s success is caused by him being the true prophet. But why would someone’s worldly success indicate that they are of divine, heavenly origin

 

[AbandonShip]

Who tf speaks about medieval time?Literally nothing special happened during that time....muslims were only attacking,looting,raiding innocent countries
Do you consider that as Achievement?

Do you know about the golden age of islam? Middle east in the past was way ahead of europe.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

@Chad1212

think about irak or libya dude