How do I plan my surgeries and how to find decent jaw surgeons?

[bimaxmaxxer]

I'm slowly ready to prepare for my bi-/trimax with ccw rotation. Which means I need braces for like a year. I'm trying to get it covered by insurance but if that doesn't work out, I'm gonna book a consultation with ramieri anyways. I've given up the idea of even considering pagnoni or raffaini from what I've heard on this forums.

but besides 2 maxfac surgeons, I have absolutely no Idea where to go, except france. It seems like people have good experiences with no name surgeons aswell.

located in germany btw. I'm ready to book flights across the (first) world (mainly).

 

[yussimania]

try Brazil they're really good

 

[Ascension75]

raffaini seems overall decent he is just expensive

 

[moltisantichincel]

Ramieri is good only when planning on doing implants with him, other than that he will likely give a similar result to a local surgeon in Germany, just need to incorporate genio into it. Look on jaw surgery subreddit and they will give a good recommendation that’s local. Ramieri is great don’t get me wrong but he is apart of the forum echo chamber of people hyping him up, I’m personally going to him tho and his team is trustworthy it seems, he is very good but not the best, which can also be a good thing since he plays it safe, the best are usually expensive as shit and since they do riskier movements there’s a higher chance that it goes wrong

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Ramieri is good only when planning on doing implants with him, other than that he will likely give a similar result to a local surgeon in Germany, just need to incorporate genio into it. Look on jaw surgery subreddit and they will give a good recommendation that’s local. Ramieri is great don’t get me wrong but he is apart of the forum echo chamber of people hyping him up, I’m personally going to him tho and his team is trustworthy it seems, he is very good but not the best, which can also be a good thing since he plays it safe, the best are usually expensive as shit and since they do riskier movements there’s a higher chance that it goes wrong

it sounds like ramierie is the type of surgeon I would go for. If I'm lucky all I need is just a maxillary movement and implants for symmetry and bit more projection. Safety is very important for me to avoid permanent nerve damage or similar complications.
I actually look somewhat decent when jutting, they would only need to move the maxilla forward and make it a bit more wider with segmental lefort 1.

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

try Brazil they're really good

where exactly in brazil? any specific province for cosmetic surgery?

 

[LEFORT17]

I'm slowly ready to prepare for my bi-/trimax with ccw rotation. Which means I need braces for like a year. I'm trying to get it covered by insurance but if that doesn't work out, I'm gonna book a consultation with ramieri anyways. I've given up the idea of even considering pagnoni or raffaini from what I've heard on this forums.

but besides 2 maxfac surgeons, I have absolutely no Idea where to go, except france. It seems like people have good experiences with no name surgeons aswell.

located in germany btw. I'm ready to book flights across the (first) world (mainly).

either europe or brazil as funny as it sounds

 

[Foreverbrad]

Just go in your country if you’re lucky enough to be in a country with decent maxfax and insurance.

I was in UK so Ramieri is both cheap AND good compared to what I’ve been proposed here, sadly.

You’ll often see people saying “I got jaw surgery for €5k in xxxx” but the fact is that’s through their insurance - I did look into these claims. If you can DJS for less than five figures in Europe without some kind of insurance I’d be very surprised.

 

[vermicel]

where exactly in brazil? any specific province for cosmetic surgery?

People will gatekeep their favorite surgeons, to prevent any hype that would most likely result in a price hike. So you'll be hardpressed getting a straight and thorough answer in the open.
Your best bet is to contact privately a guy like @bossman, who seems to be the most well-informed user about current options on the international market (not just hyperfocused on Italy), and to hope he will share his insight with you.

As for Brazil specifically, you can start off your research here (look at the pictures) : https://looksmax.org/threads/pag-reddit-botching-sounds-fake-almost.1782428/#post-25155375
Dr. André Luis Bim seems to gather a positive consensus, among other Brazilian surgeons.
You can contact @BM7 privately, as he seems to be Brazilian himself (or at least knowledgeable about Brazilian surgeons) and willing to share info about the local market.

Finally, this might be of particular interest to you as a German, a now deleted user shared his satisfactory bimax experience with a local clinic (Dr. Reinhald Kühle + Dr. Christian Freudelsprenger, Kopfklinik Heidelberg) : https://looksmax.org/threads/i-got-...le-implants-for-free-germancels-gtfih.855287/

 

[yussimania]

People will gatekeep their favorite surgeons, to prevent any hype that would most likely result in a price hike.

delete just DM him this

 

[vermicel]

delete just DM him this

Too late and there is no DM option on his profile page. Sorry for the cortisol spike.

Anyway, everything in my post is just collected from other posts published this past week on the forum. No secret stuff.

Mentioning a surgeon's name in passing isn't going to have a long-lasting impact on his e-reputation, don't worry. Moreover, look at the numbers for this subforum : there are few readers, and most of them are either done with their surgery, or booked in the coming months, or just plain curious.
I think the "hype & price hike" problem comes up when surgeons' names are being hammered constantly like a mantra, as with the Italian trio (Ram, Pag, Raff) ; then, the info circulates on various platforms (this forum, Discords, Reddit, FB groups, TikTok, etc.), is being parroted by people who haven't done their own research at all, and, voilà, a bunch of lazy American patients are finally ready to throw big money at "cheap" foreign surgeons.
My previous post isn't going to cause that.

 

[yussimania]

Too late and there is no DM option on his profile page. Sorry for the cortisol spike.

Anyway, everything in my post is just collected from other posts published this past week on the forum. No secret stuff.

Mentioning a surgeon's name in passing isn't going to have a long-lasting impact on his e-reputation, don't worry. Moreover, look at the numbers for this subforum : there are few readers, and most of them are either done with their surgery, or booked in the coming months, or just plain curious.
I think the "hype & price hike" problem comes up when surgeons' names are being hammered constantly like a mantra, as with the Italian trio (Ram, Pag, Raff) ; then, the info circulates on various platforms (this forum, Discords, Reddit, FB groups, TikTok, etc.), is being parroted by people who haven't done their own research at all, and, voilà, a bunch of lazy American patients are finally ready to throw big money at "cheap" foreign surgeons.
My previous post isn't going to cause that.

Very true imo I used to think ramieri or death but just browsing on r/jawsurgery you will see insane/great results from local unknown surgeons - as bossman put it, there is no magic pill for bimax it's just breaking and repositioning; much easier than a rhinoplasty.

Yes if you want to be on the safe conservative side then go for some of these Italian doctors but even then prepare for the possibility of being conservatively advanced or overrotated (Ram) or functionally botched (Raffiani, Pag). (I doubt this becomes as much of an issue if you research jaw movements yourself so you know what's realistic)

Only problem is retards who are skeletally class 1 or mentally insane consulting with him pushing wait times all the way back a few months.

 

[DrDrKater]

I'm slowly ready to prepare for my bi-/trimax with ccw rotation. Which means I need braces for like a year. I'm trying to get it covered by insurance but if that doesn't work out, I'm gonna book a consultation with ramieri anyways. I've given up the idea of even considering pagnoni or raffaini from what I've heard on this forums.

but besides 2 maxfac surgeons, I have absolutely no Idea where to go, except france. It seems like people have good experiences with no name surgeons aswell.

located in germany btw. I'm ready to book flights across the (first) world (mainly).

Dr Dr Kater from Frankfurt am Main, I'm getting bimax with hin in 4 weeks, i'll send the results

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Dr Dr Kater from Frankfurt am Main, I'm getting bimax with hin in 4 weeks, i'll send the results

You mean the guy from Bad Homburg?

 

[DrDrKater]

You mean the guy from Bad Homburg?

Yes, do you know about him?