How do people believe in god

[ey88]

Just look around, if there is a god, he is a shitty one

 

[abuserr007]

India is a good reason why God does not exist

 

[LipstickAlley]

 

[raabla]

For me i can feel it but if i told you that you'd think it's a joke, Then i look at all the coincidences in my life and it strengthens my faith even more

 

[abuserr007]

it strengthens my faith

In rape

 

[Klasik616]

How do people believe in ascension

 

[The Dark Phoenix]

easily, no other explanation

 

[ey88]

For me i can feel it but if i told you that you'd think it's a joke, Then i look at all the coincidences in my life and it strengthens my faith even more

And I can just feel he isn’t real

 

[raabla]

And I can just feel he isn’t real

What drives you in your life then? how does it feel that there's no greater purpose for anything, that everything was all an accident?

 

[ey88]

What drives you in your life then? how does it feel that there's no greater purpose for anything, that everything was all an accident?

Reproduction is what drives me, and that I only get 1 life, so I might as well try to experience as much as possible. I’m fine with life not having an inherent meaning, it doesn’t really bother me

 

[raabla]

Reproduction is what drives me, and that I only get 1 life, so I might as well try to experience as much as possible. I’m fine with life not having an inherent meaning, it doesn’t really bother me

Well that's good, at least you're not like those people who have no hope yet keep living meaninglessly

 

[metacognitivist]

there is like 0 reasn to believe in any god

 

[Angutoid]

Todays religion scam artists=so called prophets from the past

 

[Kudagaisme]

Can non believers just close their mouths permanently? "Waah I am ugly so no God"

 

[ey88]

Can non believers just close their mouths permanently? "Waah I am ugly so no God"

I’m not ugly

 

[Thebuffdon690]

I am a deist

 

[metacognitivist]

Can non believers just close their mouths permanently? "Waah I am ugly so no God"

willing to debate you on god's existence

 

[Mess]

I think the belief in a God keeps society clean and kind, like a policeman watching over you, preventing you from committing crimes. Also Pascal's wager

 

[Entschuldigung]

Wdym look around?
God is not a nanny

 

[xlimz]

people believe in God because they seek answers to unanswerable questions

 

[134applesauce456]

Just look around, if there is a god, he is a shitty one

watch this video



it explains it pretty beautifully but if you are to lazy to watch:

God gives us free will. He doesn't want puppets that do everything he wants blindly. Would you get any joy out of creating such a world? It would be meaningless. We find true meaning and greatness in the struggles of life. If the world was a perfect robot world like you imagine ; There would be no strength because there would be nothing to overcome; there would be no victory because there would be no battles; and there would be no greatness because there would be no adversity.

 

[Poopless One]

Because he is the Almighty Father.

 

[metacognitivist]

I think the belief in a God keeps society clean and kind, like a policeman watching over you, preventing you from committing crimes. Also Pascal's wager

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pascals wager in the big 2024 is crazy

but ur right that religion can have good societal benefits

 

[Poopless One]

pascals wager in the big 2024 is crazy

but ur right that religion can have good societal benefits

Most certainly. Just look how quickly things went to shit when gaytheism took over.

 

[metacognitivist]

God gives us free will. He doesn't want puppets that do everything he wants blindly. Would you get any joy out of creating such a world? It would be meaningless. We find true meaning and greatness in the struggles of life. If the world was a perfect robot world like you imagine ; There would be no strength because there would be nothing to overcome; there would be no victory because there would be no battles; and there would be no greatness because there would be no adversity.

this is so easy to refute...

do animals have free will? why do they suffer?
sure, we can have challenges. then why does natural disasters exist? earthQuakes, tsunamis, etc... cancer?
why are there a million sicknesses that a baby can go through?
does free will exist in heaven? if yes then can we sin in heaven? doesn't sound very ideal if that's the case. if no, then being a puppet is better after all?

also, you can have free will and be in a world where no one commits evil acts. there is a possible world where everyone has free will and there is no evil acts. why didn't god actualize that possible world, instead of this one?

furthermore, for example, you cannot fly. but you wouldn't say you don't have free will because you cannot fly. so why cannot god implement some system where evil acts just are not possible at all, similar to how we cannot fly?

even if you use free will as an excuse, the amount of evils in the world far outweigh the coping that you can reach with freewill theodicy

(edit; keep in mind this is only a small amount of refutations i can bring up for freewill theodicy)

 

[Kroker]

this is so easy to refute...

do animals have free will? why do they suffer?
sure, we can have challenges. then why does natural disasters exist? earthQuakes, tsunamis, etc... cancer?
why are there a million sicknesses that a baby can go through?
does free will exist in heaven? if yes then can we sin in heaven? doesn't sound very ideal if that's the case. if no, then being a puppet is better after all?

also, you can have free will and be in a world where no one commits evil acts. there is a possible world where everyone has free will and there is no evil acts. why didn't god actualize that possible world, instead of this one?

furthermore, for example, you cannot fly. but you wouldn't say you don't have free will because you cannot fly. so why cannot god implement some system where evil acts just are not possible at all, similar to how we cannot fly?

even if you use free will as an excuse, the amount of evils in the world far outweigh the coping that you can reach with freewill theodicy

(edit; keep in mind this is only a small amount of refutations i can bring up for freewill theodicy)

The world is full on pain, both mentally & physically. Unfortunately there's not stopping for that.

Inequality is a whole different story.

 

[ineonx]

Just look around, if there is a god, he is a shitty one

People always find ways to cope

 

[134applesauce456]

this is so easy to refute...

do animals have free will? why do they suffer?
sure, we can have challenges. then why does natural disasters exist? earthQuakes, tsunamis, etc... cancer?
why are there a million sicknesses that a baby can go through?
does free will exist in heaven? if yes then can we sin in heaven? doesn't sound very ideal if that's the case. if no, then being a puppet is better after all?

also, you can have free will and be in a world where no one commits evil acts. there is a possible world where everyone has free will and there is no evil acts. why didn't god actualize that possible world, instead of this one?

furthermore, for example, you cannot fly. but you wouldn't say you don't have free will because you cannot fly. so why cannot god implement some system where evil acts just are not possible at all, similar to how we cannot fly?

even if you use free will as an excuse, the amount of evils in the world far outweigh the coping that you can reach with freewill theodicy

(edit; keep in mind this is only a small amount of refutations i can bring up for freewill theodicy)

you didn't read what i said fully.

About natural disasters and suffering ; suffering, including natural disasters, can be seen as essential for human growth and the development of virtues like compassion. An imperfect world allows people to make meaningful choices and respond to challenges, helping moral growth. this also applies to animal suffering. Though it might seem harsh animals clearly aren't as complex as us. animal suffering might be part of the natural balance of life.

About free will in heaven: In many beliefs, heaven represents a state where free will exists but is aligned with perfect goodness. Those in heaven have transformed desires, choosing only what is good, making sin irrelevant.

He did not do this for Earth probably because we need to prove that we our worthy first.

About earth: A world where everyone has free will but no one chooses evil is logically possible but may not be feasible without affecting genuine freedom. True free will includes the risk of choosing wrongly. restricting moral choices would change the nature of free will. Moral growth comes from overcoming the potential for wrongdoing.


while a world where no one chooses evil could exist, it is not be achievable without removing true moral choice, which would undermine the value of free will and moral responsibility.

watch this video

 

[R@m@]

Lucifer mogs

 

[CMD]

India is a good reason why God does not exist

Well technically curries are abos mixed with sands they didnt evolve naturally which means god did not actually make them at all

@ey88 @truthhurts @fluoride1337 @frogtok @Always Stay You

 

[134applesauce456]

this is so easy to refute...

do animals have free will? why do they suffer?
sure, we can have challenges. then why does natural disasters exist? earthQuakes, tsunamis, etc... cancer?
why are there a million sicknesses that a baby can go through?
does free will exist in heaven? if yes then can we sin in heaven? doesn't sound very ideal if that's the case. if no, then being a puppet is better after all?

also, you can have free will and be in a world where no one commits evil acts. there is a possible world where everyone has free will and there is no evil acts. why didn't god actualize that possible world, instead of this one?

furthermore, for example, you cannot fly. but you wouldn't say you don't have free will because you cannot fly. so why cannot god implement some system where evil acts just are not possible at all, similar to how we cannot fly?

even if you use free will as an excuse, the amount of evils in the world far outweigh the coping that you can reach with freewill theodicy

(edit; keep in mind this is only a small amount of refutations i can bring up for freewill theodicy)

to sum up what I am trying to say, it is all about true and genuine meaning , the significance of life. A world in which you are describing would be insignificant. make sure to read my other reply and watch the video please

additionally about your other point, while the level of suffering can seem excessive, I would argue it may have purposes that aren’t obvious to us and contribute to greater human resilience and empathy

 

[134applesauce456]

Well technically curries are abos mixed with sands they didnt evolve naturally which means god did not actually make them at all

@ey88 @truthhurts @fluoride1337 @frogtok @Always Stay You

what are you talking about ?

 

[metacognitivist]

you didn't read what i said fully.

About natural disasters and suffering ; suffering, including natural disasters, can be seen as essential for human growth and the development of virtues like compassion. An imperfect world allows people to make meaningful choices and respond to challenges, helping moral growth. this also applies to animal suffering. Though it might seem harsh animals clearly aren't as complex as us. animal suffering might be part of the natural balance of life.

About free will in heaven: In many beliefs, heaven represents a state where free will exists but is aligned with perfect goodness. Those in heaven have transformed desires, choosing only what is good, making sin irrelevant.

He did not do this for Earth probably because we need to prove that we our worthy first.

About earth: A world where everyone has free will but no one chooses evil is logically possible but may not be feasible without affecting genuine freedom. True free will includes the risk of choosing wrongly. restricting moral choices would change the nature of free will. Moral growth comes from overcoming the potential for wrongdoing.


while a world where no one chooses evil could exist, it is not be achievable without removing true moral choice, which would undermine the value of free will and moral responsibility.

watch this video

jfl at this gpt generated reply, could tell from a glance

 

[noodlelover]

Once people have the belief they interpret everything through that lens and everything becomes confirmation or evidence of that belief.

As far as what caused them to believe in an invisible magical entity that created everything and is watching everything, it's as simple as some one told them it's true.

Same reason people believe in Santa, or the tooth fairy, or ghosts, or witches, or magic, or astrology.

 

[134applesauce456]

jfl at this gpt generated reply, could tell from a glance

JFL if you think AI detectors work, why aren't they used in school then? you can literally copy and paste the constitution and it would say AI generated. AI detectors are inaccurate cope and they aren't used in professional settings for that reason

now get to reading and form an argument back buddy boyo

 

[metacognitivist]

suffering, including natural disasters, can be seen as essential for human growth and the development of virtues like compassion. An imperfect world allows people to make meaningful choices and respond to challenges, helping moral growth. this also applies to animal suffering. Though it might seem harsh animals clearly aren't as complex as us. animal suffering might be part of the natural balance of life.

this doesn't address anything.

human growth and development can occur without suffering through natural disasters like tsunamis and earthuakes. also can happen without cancer and the like.

in fact, another point i didnt mention, is just having a world where we can have growth and development without evil. completely logically possible.

About free will in heaven: In many beliefs, heaven represents a state where free will exists but is aligned with perfect goodness. Those in heaven have transformed desires, choosing only what is good, making sin irrelevan

so why cannot free will be aligned with perfect goodness in the real world? JFL at this gpt generated response and JFL at your low IQ seeing this and going "hmm... this is a good response"

this is blatantly a contradiction too

He did not do this for Earth probably because we need to prove that we our worthy first.

LMAOOO, you can tell the shift from GPT to his own reasoning "prove that we are worthy first"

the whole point of this is to Question why evil exists in the first place. if god was capable of creating free will & perfect goodness, you're essentially conceding the whole argument with this, because the freewill theodicy is all about denying this is possible. good job, you have no understanding of philosophy of religion, you retarded low iQ larper. never attempt to discuss philo again if youre going to larp with gpt and talk with condescending attitude

A world where everyone has free will but no one chooses evil is logically possible but may not be feasible without affecting genuine freedom. True free will includes the risk of choosing wrongly. restricting moral choices would change the nature of free will. Moral growth comes from overcoming the potential for wrongdoing.

there is no restriction they can still choose to commit evil acts. it just doesn't happen coincidentally in that possible world. your GPT is once again tweaking and you need me to walk you through you it like youre a child and im your father

 

[134applesauce456]

this doesn't address anything.

human growth and development can occur without suffering through natural disasters like tsunamis and earthuakes. also can happen without cancer and the like.

in fact, another point i didnt mention, is just having a world where we can have growth and development without evil. completely logically possible.


so why cannot free will be aligned with perfect goodness in the real world? JFL at this gpt generated response and JFL at your low IQ seeing this and going "hmm... this is a good response"

this is blatantly a contradiction too



LMAOOO, you can tell the shift from GPT to his own reasoning "prove that we are worthy first"

the whole point of this is to Question why evil exists in the first place. if god was capable of creating free will & perfect goodness, you're essentially conceding the whole argument with this, because the freewill theodicy is all about denying this is possible. good job, you have no understanding of philosophy of religion, you retarded low iQ larper. never attempt to discuss philo again if youre going to larp with gpt and talk with condescending attitude



there is no restriction they can still choose to commit evil acts. it just doesn't happen coincidentally in that possible world. your GPT is once again tweaking and you need me to walk you through you it like youre a child and im your father

tldr

 

[metacognitivist]

JFL if you think AI generators work, why aren't they used in school then? you can literally copy and paste the constitution and it would say AI generated

now get to reading and form an argument back buddy boyo

jfl at this larping faggot, atleast admit to it you stupid nigger. how can you be so mentally impaired to use gpt against me and still get stomped on the argument

also jfl at you for saying schools dont use ai detectors

LMAOOOO "copy and paste the constitution it will detect it as AI man!!"

 

[metacognitivist]

tldr

cope, youre retarded faggot, go read a book or something

 

[CMD]

what are you talking about ?

They are descended from australian aboriginals in india in ancient times who racemixed with middle eastern arabs in the region

 

[UnderPressure]

Just look around, if there is a god, he is a shitty one

ey88 watch the blasphemy nigga!

No but there cant be lightness without dark. A perfect world would mean no good exists. There is no good without evil. There is a place where everyone is attractive, beautiful, and in endless fufillment and joy and at peace and that is heaven. As for the world, its a free roam that is randomnized.

 

[134applesauce456]

this doesn't address anything.

human growth and development can occur without suffering through natural disasters like tsunamis and earthuakes. also can happen without cancer and the like.

in fact, another point i didnt mention, is just having a world where we can have growth and development without evil. completely logically possible.


so why cannot free will be aligned with perfect goodness in the real world? JFL at this gpt generated response and JFL at your low IQ seeing this and going "hmm... this is a good response"

this is blatantly a contradiction too

okay I read it, you’re saying humans could grow and develop just fine without disasters, sickness, or suffering. But the thing is, challenges like earthquakes or illnesses can actually help people build deeper empathy and resilience. It’s not ideal, but it’s part of what shapes us. Free will means being able to pick between good and bad. Sure, maybe there could be a world where no one ever picks evil, but that might not be realistic. Real freedom comes with the fact that people’s choices can be unpredictable. As for why free will isn’t just perfectly good here on Earth, it’s because being able to truly choose means having the option to mess up. Heaven’s different. By then, people have already made their choice and are changed by it, so they’re only choosing good there. Earth is where that development happens. free will has to include the option for evil; otherwise, it’s not real free will. Just because we can imagine a world where everyone always picks good doesn’t mean it’s possible in reality or that it would keep free will genuine. Yeah, maybe there could be a world where no one does anything bad just by chance, but the idea is that God made a world where freedom means real choices and consequences, even if that means suffering sometimes. That’s what keeps free will meaningful and real.

 

[134applesauce456]

this doesn't address anything.

human growth and development can occur without suffering through natural disasters like tsunamis and earthuakes. also can happen without cancer and the like.

in fact, another point i didnt mention, is just having a world where we can have growth and development without evil. completely logically possible.


so why cannot free will be aligned with perfect goodness in the real world? JFL at this gpt generated response and JFL at your low IQ seeing this and going "hmm... this is a good response"

this is blatantly a contradiction too



LMAOOO, you can tell the shift from GPT to his own reasoning "prove that we are worthy first"

the whole point of this is to Question why evil exists in the first place. if god was capable of creating free will & perfect goodness, you're essentially conceding the whole argument with this, because the freewill theodicy is all about denying this is possible. good job, you have no understanding of philosophy of religion, you retarded low iQ larper. never attempt to discuss philo again if youre going to larp with gpt and talk with condescending attitude



there is no restriction they can still choose to commit evil acts. it just doesn't happen coincidentally in that possible world. your GPT is once again tweaking and you need me to walk you through you it like youre a child and im your father

To make it easier for you to understand since you aren't actually fully reading what I am saying:

Would we be able to see stars in the night sky if there were no darkness?

actually read my replies bhai because you are just reiterating the same things i debunked

and it's not too late to turn to God he loves you

 

[134applesauce456]

cope, youre retarded faggot, go read a book or something

metacognitivist​

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[metacognitivist]

It’s not ideal,

another concession, if you agree god is omnipotent and omniscient he would know the best for us and would be able to actualize the best for us, so its contradictory for the world to be not ideal for us.

but that might not be realistic.

it is realistic, god could actualize such world since he has the power to.

people have already made their choice and are changed by it, so they’re only choosing good there.

so its completely realistic to only do good in heaven but not only good in earth? what, u become a different person in heaven?

you can admit you use gpt and we can move on from this

Earth is where that development happens.

completely ignored everything i said before. i addressed this already.

free will has to include the option for evil; otherwise, it’s not real free will.

addressed with the heaven and possible worlds refutations

maybe there could be a world where no one does anything bad just by chance,

and you concede again

Would we be able to see stars in the night sky if there were no darkness

disanalogous + ive been beating you up this entire time.. how can u say "to make it easier for u to understand" when ur using GPT to even respond JFL at this fag


> "you are just reiterating the same things i debunked"
- repeated his arguments every single time while i never repeated myself once.

if you show me reiterating the same thing and the debunk for it, ill concede the whole argument, cmon, reply to where this happened

and it's not too late to turn to God he loves you

i have more connection with god than you do btw

 

[134applesauce456]

i have more connection with god than you do btw

ykw i'm not reading this JFL bye have a good day brother

 

[Daddy's Home]

They have low IQ..

/Thread

 

[134applesauce456]

another concession, if you agree god is omnipotent and omniscient he would know the best for us and would be able to actualize the best for us, so its contradictory for the world to be not ideal for us.



it is realistic, god could actualize such world since he has the power to.



so its completely realistic to only do good in heaven but not only good in earth? what, u become a different person in heaven?

you can admit you use gpt and we can move on from this



completely ignored everything i said before. i addressed this already.



addressed with the heaven and possible worlds refutations



and you concede again


disanalogous + ive been beating you up this entire time.. how can u say "to make it easier for u to understand" when ur using GPT to even respond JFL at this fag


> "you are just reiterating the same things i debunked"
- repeated his arguments every single time while i never repeated myself once.

if you show me reiterating the same thing and the debunk for it, ill concede the whole argument, cmon, reply to where this happened



i have more connection with god than you do btw

I have nothing better to do so let me respond. Just because God is omnipotent and omniscient doesn’t mean He’d force the “best” world in the way we imagine it. Free will means we get to make real choices, and sometimes those choices lead to suffering. If God just made a world where we all automatically did good, then it wouldn’t be genuine freedom, it’d be more like being programmed. Tbh don't know how many times I have to say this. Besides, what we think is "best for us" may not actually be best for us. As for heaven, yeah, it’s different. People don’t become totally different, but they’re transformed by the choices they made on Earth. It’s like people who’ve learned from their life experiences; they grow and change. Heaven is where people who’ve chosen good are fully aligned with it, so evil just isn’t something they want anymore. Earth is where those choices and growth happen, so it’s not always “ideal".. that’s kind of the point of learning and moral development. And yeah, God could create a perfect world, but one where everyone freely chooses good without ever leaning toward evil is not possible while keeping true free will. That’s why this world, with all its flaws, still respects the genuine freedom and responsibility we have.

 

[Kudagaisme]

I’m not ugly

It's a comment that many people make.