How do we lower gonial angle if jaw implants suck

[DonaldJTrump]

In lurking truecels thread which we may have all seen, he destroys jaw implants as being a shit idea. One user claims giant himself says they are mostly a meme that are horrible for your masseter muscles.

What do those of us with high gonial angles and short ramuses do? Jaw filler is mainly for widening the gonions, i heard u have to use a ton of filler to lower the gonial angle and its not worth and i think u cant even lower it that much anyways. Think about it its just a filler on one part of the jaw how tf u gonna lower the entire jaw with fillers??

High gonial angle is an unfixable failo??

@brahminboss2.0 @bossman @Lefor3Laser @LEFORT17 @lurking truecel @RealSurgerymax @Azie555

 

[bossman]

Filler will work to some extent but only if done by an experienced injector (and it takes a lot of skill for this).

Implants' main function is to provide outward projection, and should be used sparingly to lengthen the ramus. Too much ends up causing dehiscence. It can be fixed but you want to avoid it.

Giant said to someone during a consult that most cases end up getting dehiscence. I don't think this is a universal truth, as there are some surgeons who perform implant procedures with 0 dehiscence complications. Seems like Giant/Pagnoni/Eppley have inferior techniques.

If your ramus is extremely short and it's going to take more than just a few mm that can be delivered by fillers/implants, the only stable and widely-performed procedure to help is an inverted-L-osteotomy. This will ruin your gonial angle and will need to be fixed with a jaw angle implant.

Also tagging @yussimania as he knows a lot

 

[DonaldJTrump]

@moltisantichincel how is ur gonial angle and gonion outward projection? I think u just want to make ur jaw more defined w an implant, right?

Also what do u think about my question in the OP, moltisanti?

 

[nishka]

honestly if it sucks a lot then just risk dehiscence and get masseter botox so that the masseter muscle is small makes it harder to notice

 

[DonaldJTrump]

honestly if it sucks a lot then just risk dehiscence and get masseter botox so that the masseter muscle is small makes it harder to notice

What the fuck? U clearly have no idea what ur talking about!!!

Masseter deshiscence makes ur masseters tiny (opposite of big/bloated). This will make ur jaw narrow af.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

@yussimania what is your input

 

[illusion_]

What the fuck? U clearly have no idea what ur talking about!!!

Masseter deshiscence makes ur masseters tiny (opposite of big/bloated). This will make ur jaw narrow af.

Afaik masseter dehiscence is mainly an aesthetic issue and not a functional one so just risk it. But imagine when you are clenching and your masseters contract way above your implants jfl

 

[yussimania]

Filler will work to some extent but only if done by an experienced injector (and it takes a lot of skill for this).

Implants' main function is to provide outward projection, and should be used sparingly to lengthen the ramus. Too much ends up causing dehiscence. It can be fixed but you want to avoid it.

Giant said to someone during a consult that most cases end up getting dehiscence. I don't think this is a universal truth, as there are some surgeons who perform implant procedures with 0 dehiscence complications. Seems like Giant/Pagnoni/Eppley have inferior techniques.

If your ramus is extremely short and it's going to take more than just a few mm that can be delivered by fillers/implants, the only stable and widely-performed procedure to help is an inverted-L-osteotomy. This will ruin your gonial angle and will need to be fixed with a jaw angle implant.

Also tagging @yussimania as he knows a lot

hit the nails on the head

@yussimania what is your input

Ive seen some results by Gunson using Hydroxyapatite implants/paste

She had idiopathic condylar resorption which is basically the worst possible where your ramus just ropes at the TMJ

Gonial angle is determined by your menton and your ramus

by increasing ramus length with a gonial implant/filler or changing the vertical height of the chin you can get a better gonial angle if you're downgrown

ffs usually has trans women decreasing their masculine obtuse gonial angle to appear more feminine

very cute and ladylike

one of the mandem

 

[nishka]

hit the nails on the head

Ive seen some results by Gunson using Hydroxyapatite implants/paste
View attachment 4526579
She had idiopathic condylar resorption which is basically the worst possible where your ramus just ropes at the TMJ

Gonial angle is determined by your menton and your ramus

by increasing ramus length with a gonial implant/filler or changing the vertical height of the chin you can get a better gonial angle if you're downgrown

View attachment 4526615

ffs usually has trans women decreasing their masculine obtuse gonial angle to appear more feminine

View attachment 4526646

very cute and ladylike

View attachment 4526657

one of the mandem

so overall what are the actionable steps you recommend?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

hit the nails on the head

Ive seen some results by Gunson using Hydroxyapatite implants/paste
View attachment 4526579
She had idiopathic condylar resorption which is basically the worst possible where your ramus just ropes at the TMJ

Gonial angle is determined by your menton and your ramus

by increasing ramus length with a gonial implant/filler or changing the vertical height of the chin you can get a better gonial angle if you're downgrown

View attachment 4526615

ffs usually has trans women decreasing their masculine obtuse gonial angle to appear more feminine

View attachment 4526646

very cute and ladylike

View attachment 4526657

one of the mandem

Tall chin is ideal though

Filler will work to some extent but only if done by an experienced injector (and it takes a lot of skill for this).

Implants' main function is to provide outward projection, and should be used sparingly to lengthen the ramus. Too much ends up causing dehiscence. It can be fixed but you want to avoid it.

Giant said to someone during a consult that most cases end up getting dehiscence. I don't think this is a universal truth, as there are some surgeons who perform implant procedures with 0 dehiscence complications. Seems like Giant/Pagnoni/Eppley have inferior techniques.

If your ramus is extremely short and it's going to take more than just a few mm that can be delivered by fillers/implants, the only stable and widely-performed procedure to help is an inverted-L-osteotomy. This will ruin your gonial angle and will need to be fixed with a jaw angle implant.

Also tagging @yussimania as he knows a lot

giant himself really apparently said its a meme surgery? Jaw angle implants

 

[moltisantichincel]

@moltisantichincel how is ur gonial angle and gonion outward projection? I think u just want to make ur jaw more defined w an implant, right?

Also what do u think about my question in the OP, moltisanti?

my angle is good but the gonions are inward and the jaw is rather narrow so yes, just more definition, I don't want height which is what causes "dehiscence" also ramieris technique requires sliding the implant under the masseter which can Make it look off only usually when you add to much height, that's why I feel safe placing them, also giants claim about "dehiscence" maybe be correct especially since he places many large implants, but its not true dehiscence, the dehiscence giant is talking about was coined on these forums to show when the masseter doesn't cover the entire implant, and it really is not that big of a deal, especially when you don't add to much height, as long as you don't clench, and you can even get a few rounds of masseter botox, so it really is not that big of a deal. , true dehiscence is masseter detatchement which is extremely rare with ramieris placement technique, overall if you play it safe, be conservative with the measurements and treat it for what it is (simple refinement and not a way to replace your mandible in the hopes of becoming chad) you should be fine, I don't think its a meme, as a good injector will run you a lot and the chiseled jaw that you see after fillers tend to be less sharp after a few months, although I will say that it could be giants marketing technique, but I think it still is the best permanent way to upgrade the jaw but it is case dependent not everyone is going to be a candidate

 

[moltisantichincel]

hit the nails on the head

Ive seen some results by Gunson using Hydroxyapatite implants/paste
View attachment 4526579
She had idiopathic condylar resorption which is basically the worst possible where your ramus just ropes at the TMJ

Gonial angle is determined by your menton and your ramus

This is what gunsons hydroxyappetite grafts look like on a cbct and the before and after, I don't really know what to say about it, I don't think its the most aesthetic way to do it tbh, gunson doesn't treat this augmentation as necessarily aesthetic enhancement its more so just balancing of the face which is fair enough but will it give you that defined jaw? gunson might've chosen not to define it more due to her being a female but from my understanding gunsons HA is just a means to address deficiencies, and not to actually define the area, for example he does a lot of malar implants, which don't aim to make the cheekbones more defined, he does it to balance out the face so the patient doesn't end up dogmaxxed, its the same with his angle grafts, with this in mind not only will likely not offer anyone that doesn't have icr ramus lengthening, but also you will be dissatissfied with the result after paying 80k.

 

[moltisantichincel]

What the fuck? U clearly have no idea what ur talking about!!!

Masseter deshiscence makes ur masseters tiny (opposite of big/bloated). This will make ur jaw narrow af.

theres confusion around what dehiscence actually means, the correct term of masseter dehiscence is masseter detatchement which is what you are referring to which does suck, because your masseter starts to sit higher because it detached, and that is extremely rare, as that happens when you the surgeon detaches the masseter to begin with to place it. most surgeons like giant place the implant under the masseter, which is what giant is referring to when he says it is common, Its common because your masseter cannot stretch that much to cover the entire implant especially when giant designs it big af. and for that botox will do fine, and there isn't any medical risk involved. Hope that clears it up, The correct term for "dehiscence" is implant reveal, and really isn't that big of a deal

 

[moltisantichincel]

truecel If im being honest is unhappy with his surgery result which is why he seems so nihilistic with surgery and why he keeps on rotting on these forums even after getting bimax, which he is partially true, but we shouldn't outright listen to everything he says, and you should always make sure your expectations are realistic, if you want to learn more about jaw implant cases search on google, "jaw implant dehiscence looksmax.org" it will give you actual insight, if anything chat with Cristian, @RazerGlazer as he is someone that got dehiscence and knows what he is talking about. Truecel if you are reading this, Its okay boyo let this shit go, move on, start a exciting new chapter in your life, even if you aren't satisfied pat yourself on the back and be proud that you fought for your freedom through such invasive means you are a good guy and if you need anything talk to me, Mushrooms and Lsd really helped me to accept who I am, Im not giving you advice on that you should do drugs but Im just stating what helped me, look into it.

 

[illusion_]

Implants aint that bad really

 

[yussimania]

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This is what gunsons hydroxyappetite grafts look like on a cbct and the before and after, I don't really know what to say about it, I don't think its the most aesthetic way to do it tbh, gunson doesn't treat this augmentation as necessarily aesthetic enhancement its more so just balancing of the face which is fair enough but will it give you that defined jaw? gunson might've chosen not to define it more due to her being a female but from my understanding gunsons HA is just a means to address deficiencies, and not to actually define the area, for example he does a lot of malar implants, which don't aim to make the cheekbones more defined, he does it to balance out the face so the patient doesn't end up dogmaxxed, its the same with his angle grafts, with this in mind not only will likely not offer anyone that doesn't have icr ramus lengthening, but also you will be dissatissfied with the result after paying 80k.

Ive seen some Brazilian surgeons use HA, if I personally were to get it done it would be a small amount at the ramus

also dogmaxxing refers to anteface which is when the upper third falls behind the 0° meridian line from the pogonion. Cheekbone augmentation for saggital projection won't do much it's all dependent on the frontonasal morphology

credits to @6ft4 for the great example

 

[moltisantichincel]

Ive seen some Brazilian surgeons use HA, if I personally were to get it done it would be a small amount at the ramus

also dogmaxxing refers to anteface which is when the upper third falls behind the 0° meridian line from the pogonion. Cheekbone augmentation for saggital projection won't do much it's all dependent on the frontonasal morphology

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credits to @6ft4 for the great example

kinda, dogmaxxed at least as gusnon referred to it on the jaw hacks podcast is what lefort 1 advancement puts the mid face out of balance since you are only advancing your lower maxilla, but I guess anteface is also kinda dogmaxxed since you aren't advancing the forehead but just think of it when you advance the maxilla but don't advance the cheekbones

 

[yussimania]

kinda, dogmaxxed at least as gusnon referred to it on the jaw hacks podcast is what lefort 1 advancement puts the mid face out of balance since you are only advancing your lower maxilla, but I guess anteface is also kinda dogmaxxed since you aren't advancing the forehead but just think of it when you advance the maxilla but don't advance the cheekbones

ik what u mean

i myself refer to it as the concave face look since there is volume missing in the midface so it looks like their face is dented

Class 3s that require lefort 1 still have midfacial hypoplasia which needs to be balanced out with implants or grafting

 

[nishka]

Afaik masseter dehiscence is mainly an aesthetic issue and not a functional one so just risk it. But imagine when you are clenching and your masseters contract way above your implants jfl

This is exactly why I said just Botox that shit

 

[DonaldJTrump]

View attachment 4527534View attachment 4527525

This is what gunsons hydroxyappetite grafts look like on a cbct and the before and after, I don't really know what to say about it, I don't think its the most aesthetic way to do it tbh, gunson doesn't treat this augmentation as necessarily aesthetic enhancement its more so just balancing of the face which is fair enough but will it give you that defined jaw? gunson might've chosen not to define it more due to her being a female but from my understanding gunsons HA is just a means to address deficiencies, and not to actually define the area, for example he does a lot of malar implants, which don't aim to make the cheekbones more defined, he does it to balance out the face so the patient doesn't end up dogmaxxed, its the same with his angle grafts, with this in mind not only will likely not offer anyone that doesn't have icr ramus lengthening, but also you will be dissatissfied with the result after paying 80k.

you have to pay 80k just for him to lengthen your ramus with that shitty graft? or is that the price of the entire bimax. i just want a longer ramus lol

also what surgeries did lurking truecel do?

truecel If im being honest is unhappy with his surgery result which is why he seems so nihilistic with surgery and why he keeps on rotting on these forums even after getting bimax, which he is partially true, but we shouldn't outright listen to everything he says, and you should always make sure your expectations are realistic, if you want to learn more about jaw implant cases search on google, "jaw implant dehiscence looksmax.org" it will give you actual insight, if anything chat with Cristian, @RazerGlazer as he is someone that got dehiscence and knows what he is talking about. Truecel if you are reading this, Its okay boyo let this shit go, move on, start a exciting new chapter in your life, even if you aren't satisfied pat yourself on the back and be proud that you fought for your freedom through such invasive means you are a good guy and if you need anything talk to me, Mushrooms and Lsd really helped me to accept who I am, Im not giving you advice on that you should do drugs but Im just stating what helped me, look into it.

it is good to have some more nihilistic/"REAL" viewpoints from people even if negative because sometimes they have some truth to them. surgery is not all rainbows and unicorns. there is a dark side to it that this forum unfortunately sometimes fails/neglects to mention as much as it should.

 

[moltisantichincel]

you have to pay 80k just for him to lengthen your ramus with that shitty graft? or is that the price of the entire bimax. i just want a longer ramus lol

also what surgeries did lurking truecel do?

You have to pay 80k for trimax and the grafts,

it is good to have some more nihilistic/"REAL" viewpoints from people even if negative because sometimes they have some truth to them. surgery is not all rainbows and unicorns. there is a dark side to it that this forum unfortunately sometimes fails/neglects to mention as much as it should.

Truecel does give very good insight I will say that, but it’s often too negative, sure surgery has risks, and there are botches time to time, but it is rare and often the issues are over exaggerated, as if there aren’t revisions, . It’s like saying don’t drive a car at all because there’s a high chance of crashing, except some people need to get to work, just as some people are desperate about their looks. Which is another thing, you shouldn’t walk into surgery being all insecure, and hating yourself. You must accept who you are, and be truly happy with yourself, it might confuse all the incel blackpillers who will go like “mugh but looks are everything” even if that was true you have all the excuse to blame it on society, as the way other people see you is not in your control, I’m doing giving drug advice, here on these forums people will hear something and automatically agree to taking it, which I agree with truecel, but lsd and mushrooms helped me a lot with mental health, but I wasn’t that insecure to begin with. again I’m not saying go out at do them, you have to research them before and be in the right headspace or it will only make everything worse

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

hit the nails on the head

Ive seen some results by Gunson using Hydroxyapatite implants/paste
View attachment 4526579
She had idiopathic condylar resorption which is basically the worst possible where your ramus just ropes at the TMJ

Gonial angle is determined by your menton and your ramus

by increasing ramus length with a gonial implant/filler or changing the vertical height of the chin you can get a better gonial angle if you're downgrown

View attachment 4526615

ffs usually has trans women decreasing their masculine obtuse gonial angle to appear more feminine

View attachment 4526646

very cute and ladylike

View attachment 4526657

one of the mandem

Does it make me gay that I prefer the obtuse jaw angle with strong projection.
Compared to the soft almost juvenile look of the 1st girl

Like this makes me want to have kids w the girl cuz I know we’re both ballin and have good genes

 

[DonaldJTrump]

You have to pay 80k for trimax and the grafts,

Truecel does give very good insight I will say that, but it’s often too negative, sure surgery has risks, and there are botches time to time, but it is rare and often the issues are over exaggerated, as if there aren’t revisions, . It’s like saying don’t drive a car at all because there’s a high chance of crashing, except some people need to get to work, just as some people are desperate about their looks. Which is another thing, you shouldn’t walk into surgery being all insecure, and hating yourself. You must accept who you are, and be truly happy with yourself, it might confuse all the incel blackpillers who will go like “mugh but looks are everything” even if that was true you have all the excuse to blame it on society, as the way other people see you is not in your control, I’m doing giving drug advice, here on these forums people will hear something and automatically agree to taking it, which I agree with truecel, but lsd and mushrooms helped me a lot with mental health, but I wasn’t that insecure to begin with. again I’m not saying go out at do them, you have to research them before and be in the right headspace or it will only make everything worse

Does he or anyone offer graft alone? I already had bimax done. Know the price for getting graft alone? Just want a lower gonial angle…

 

[moltisantichincel]

Does he or anyone offer graft alone? I already had bimax done. Know the price for getting graft alone? Just want a lower gonial angle…

I don't think any maxfac surgeon will offer fat grafting during bimax because the amount of swelling from bimax interferes with the fat graft

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I don't think any maxfac surgeon will offer fat grafting during bimax because the amount of swelling from bimax interferes with the fat graft

So gunson does it way way later then so buying and getting grafts alone is possible?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

In lurking truecels thread which we may have all seen, he destroys jaw implants as being a shit idea. One user claims giant himself says they are mostly a meme that are horrible for your masseter muscles.

What do those of us with high gonial angles and short ramuses do? Jaw filler is mainly for widening the gonions, i heard u have to use a ton of filler to lower the gonial angle and its not worth and i think u cant even lower it that much anyways. Think about it its just a filler on one part of the jaw how tf u gonna lower the entire jaw with fillers??

High gonial angle is an unfixable failo??

@brahminboss2.0 @bossman @Lefor3Laser @LEFORT17 @lurking truecel @RealSurgerymax @Azie555

Not actually possible to lower it via fillers (not possible as in it won't look natural)

 

[moltisantichincel]

So gunson does it way way later then so buying and getting grafts alone is possible?

I couldn't tell you tbh u would have to ask him, and I don't even think he does fat grafts at all

 

[DonaldJTrump]

 

[LEFORT17]

truecel If im being honest is unhappy with his surgery result which is why he seems so nihilistic with surgery and why he keeps on rotting on these forums even after getting bimax, which he is partially true, but we shouldn't outright listen to everything he says, and you should always make sure your expectations are realistic, if you want to learn more about jaw implant cases search on google, "jaw implant dehiscence looksmax.org" it will give you actual insight, if anything chat with Cristian, @RazerGlazer as he is someone that got dehiscence and knows what he is talking about. Truecel if you are reading this, Its okay boyo let this shit go, move on, start a exciting new chapter in your life, even if you aren't satisfied pat yourself on the back and be proud that you fought for your freedom through such invasive means you are a good guy and if you need anything talk to me, Mushrooms and Lsd really helped me to accept who I am, Im not giving you advice on that you should do drugs but Im just stating what helped me, look into it.

u guys make me question why im even on this site. theres now way its that deep

 

[DonaldJTrump]

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