How do you believe everything started or if there ever was a start?

[Deleted member 276814]

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[yzarim3456]

definitely evolution. no way theres a god imo

 

[Deleted member 276814]

definitely evolution. no way theres a god imo

So the big bang
Can you elab on why you don't think there is a god?

 

[Fillowskyy]

Well, God. We as humans understand life and all in a easy way - everything has a start. Beginning. But is God bound by the ways of man?

 

[Diᴏgenes]

some necessary agent outside space and time caused everything

 

[yzarim3456]

for me religion was always two things: explain things they didnt get and politics. greek mythology for example, the greeks didnt understand how lightning happened so they said “has to be a god!” and boom theres zeus. nowadays the question is just “how did everything begin?” and boom, its allah/jesus/yahweh. politics part, i think it used to be politics as in, for example, jews couldnt eat pig, so boom Theres christianity and now i can have my bacon egg and cheese in peace. christianity says “only one wife!” and boom theres islam and i can have 17 wifes. thats what it was in my eyes, just a mechanism to get as many people to join their side, because afterwards there was wars cause of religion, so they tried recruiting as many people as possible to each religion by bending the rules you could say. at least in earlier times, like 0-1700. nowadays its a coping mechanism imo.

 

[yzarim3456]

So the big bang
Can you elab on why you don't think there is a god?

for me religion was always two things: explain things they didnt get and politics. greek mythology for example, the greeks didnt understand how lightning happened so they said “has to be a god!” and boom theres zeus. nowadays the question is just “how did everything begin?” and boom, its allah/jesus/yahweh. politics part, i think it used to be politics as in, for example, jews couldnt eat pig, so boom Theres christianity and now i can have my bacon egg and cheese in peace. christianity says “only one wife!” and boom theres islam and i can have 17 wifes. thats what it was in my eyes, just a mechanism to get as many people to join their side, because afterwards there was wars cause of religion, so they tried recruiting as many people as possible to each religion by bending the rules you could say. at least in earlier times, like 0-1700. nowadays its a coping mechanism imo. (reposted it cause it was supposed to be a reply)

 

[Deleted member 276814]

Well, God. We as humans understand life and all in a easy way - everything has a start. Beginning. But is God bound by the ways of man?

We can't know if there ever was a start though according to the first law of thermodynamics energy cannot be created so that must state god have always been. Also in your opinion what is God? Like what kind of being

 

[Deleted member 276814]

for me religion was always two things: explain things they didnt get and politics. greek mythology for example, the greeks didnt understand how lightning happened so they said “has to be a god!” and boom theres zeus. nowadays the question is just “how did everything begin?” and boom, its allah/jesus/yahweh. politics part, i think it used to be politics as in, for example, jews couldnt eat pig, so boom Theres christianity and now i can have my bacon egg and cheese in peace. christianity says “only one wife!” and boom theres islam and i can have 17 wifes. thats what it was in my eyes, just a mechanism to get as many people to join their side, because afterwards there was wars cause of religion, so they tried recruiting as many people as possible to each religion by bending the rules you could say. at least in earlier times, like 0-1700. nowadays its a coping mechanism imo.

Fair points. However believing in evolution would mean you believe that we are extremely lucky as humans. We have found no other signs of life yet, we are placed In a perfect distance from the sun, the gravitational pull, the sun's gravitational pull so the earth don't wander off, a great food cycle water, food and everything that we need to survive, not even to mention our brains and conciseness all of this seems too unlikely to be here how everything is perfect for it not be be artificially crafted by something/someone like a god, what is your opinion on that?

 

[Fillowskyy]

We can't know if there ever was a start though according to the first law of thermodynamics energy cannot be created so that must state god have always been. Also in your opinion what is God? Like what kind of being

I believe in Christian version of God. That's what I've been taught. I still doubt my own faith in Him very often. I for sure believe we are more than just the body we are, so I believe in spirits/souls, whatever you gonna call it.
Gnosticism makes sense to me too.
Whatever you're going to believe, someone will always believe something else. May as well choose the most rational option.
So in my opinion, God would be the supreme, uncreated (because he always was there), and eternal being who created our universe that we live in.
That's what I believe, but I'm curious what the real truth is. If I'm right or wrong.

 

[Incelforeever]

Well, God. We as humans understand life and all in a easy way - everything has a start. Beginning. But is God bound by the ways of man?

Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV) states, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." This passage highlights the immense, infinite difference between God's divine wisdom and human understanding

 

[Fillowskyy]

Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV) states, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." This passage highlights the immense, infinite difference between God's divine wisdom and human understanding

That's a great verse, depicts what I think really well.

 

[Chance1]

Why do you care?

Live in the moment.

 

[CalmFrog]

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God, Evolution and the Big Bang theory seems like people grasping at straws

which god? I can't really tell you definitely, but I'am sure a god exists

 

[yzarim3456]

Fair points. However believing in evolution would mean you believe that we are extremely lucky as humans. We have found no other signs of life yet, we are placed In a perfect distance from the sun, the gravitational pull, the sun's gravitational pull so the earth don't wander off, a great food cycle water, food and everything that we need to survive, not even to mention our brains and conciseness all of this seems too unlikely to be here how everything is perfect for it not be be artificially crafted by something/someone like a god, what is your opinion on that?

imo, thats like a puddle of water saying “oh, this hole fits me perfectly, like it was made to have me!” if the hole was bigger, the puddle would be too. same for humans, if mars had the conditions for life, we would be there. we evolved according to the conditions of earth, the earth didnt evolve according to the conditions a human needs to live

 

[Deleted member 276814]

I believe in Christian version of God. That's what I've been taught. I still doubt my own faith in Him very often. I for sure believe we are more than just the body we are, so I believe in spirits/souls, whatever you gonna call it.
Gnosticism makes sense to me too.
Whatever you're going to believe, someone will always believe something else. May as well choose the most rational option.

I agree that's a fair point

So in my opinion, God would be the supreme, uncreated (because he always was there), and eternal being who created our universe that we live in.

That would explain how energy cannot be created or destroyed as it have always been which evolution theory contradicts except for some dark matter theory which imo is as likely as God existing even though it's "science" it also explains how everything on earth is so biologically perfect like food, water, oxygen, distance from the sun because it was an intended creation. would also explain the eternal question of consciousness. However you would presume that supernatural beings exist which we can't prove and seems unlikely.

, but I'm curious what the real truth is. If I'm right or wrong.

Me too

 

[signatureharry]

God, Evolution and the Big Bang theory seems like people grasping at straws

which god? I can't really tell you definitely, but I'am sure a god exists

But you can see the aftermath of the big bang if you look back very far away cos of how time and light works

 

[Deleted member 276814]

imo, thats like a puddle of water saying “oh, this hole fits me perfectly, like it was made to have me!”

Somewhat of a fair point but we can speak before, humans evolved. Every being is conscious which science cannot prove or have not proven yet. It is also the probability of us, specifically our soul and conciousness that exists and not some other random soul with consciousness It's very hard to explain what I'm trying to say. I do agree with you tho that evolution seems to most likely be true but I can still find unanswered questions on the theory

if the hole was bigger, the puddle would be too. same for humans, if mars had the conditions for life, we would be there. we evolved according to the conditions of earth, the earth didnt evolve according to the conditions a human needs to live

Yes but we wouldn't be on mars other beings and souls would unless you believe in reincarnation

 

[CalmFrog]

But you can see the aftermath of the big bang if you look back very far away cos of how time and light works

Weren't you banned because of some homophobic turd? welcome back

That doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't caused by god, Everything we call fact today is because a group of human's agreed upon it at one time, therefor leading to more humans using those agreed upon ideas and building their own ideas, this is the premise of Innovation, what I mean by this is our understanding and judgments are based on our predecessors, which logically aren't free from errors

I dont and wont believe that god doesn't exist, its just implausible in my mind, this universe and whats outside of it is by no means an "accident", Religion is one thing, and the existence of a god is another, the existence of the latter Imo is absolute

 

[Deleted member 276814]

Why do you care?

Live in the moment.

It's interesting although yes it's a waste of time as we are unable to find an answer

 

[yzarim3456]

Somewhat of a fair point but we can speak before, humans evolved. Every being is conscious which science cannot prove or have not proven yet. It is also the probability of us, specifically our soul and conciousness that exists and not some other random soul with consciousness It's very hard to explain what I'm trying to say. I do agree with you tho that evolution seems to most likely be true but I can still find unanswered questions on the theory

Yes but we wouldn't be on mars other beings and souls would unless you believe in reincarnation

one the consciousness part, there is a very nice theory i enjoy that soothes my nerves. the stoned ape theory. all it says basically is, fhat a monkey ate psilocybin mushrooms (shrooms) that grew on some feces, which in low doses can improve cognitive abilities, and therefore gained consciousness and humans evolved from that monkey. thats why we’re conscious

 

[signatureharry]

Weren't you banned because of some homophobic turd? welcome back

That doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't caused by god, Everything we call fact today is because a group of human's agreed upon it at one time, therefor leading to more humans using those agreed upon ideas and building their own ideas, this is the premise of Innovation

I dont and wont believe that god doesn't exist, its just implausible in my mind, this universe and whats outside of it is by no means an "accident", Religion is one thing, and the existence of a god is another, the existence of the latter Imo is absolute

Thank you!!

Yes you are right, but I just personally think it sounds more logical that it’s all coincidental than one person making every aspect, maybe im just anti religion but I think it’s more realistic that we are a 1/1,000,000,000,000 chance of happening than someone hand making everything

 

[Deleted member 276814]

one the consciousness part, there is a very nice theory i enjoy that soothes my nerves. the stoned ape theory. all it says basically is, fhat a monkey ate psilocybin mushrooms (shrooms) that grew on some feces, which in low doses can improve cognitive abilities, and therefore gained consciousness and humans evolved from that monkey. thats why we’re conscious

Funny theory lmao

 

[yzarim3456]

Funny theory lmao

i enjoy it, and dont see a reason as to why not? so yea

 

[Deleted member 276814]

i enjoy it, and dont see a reason as to why not? so yea

Believing in magic mushrooms giving you conciousness is kind of like believing in god due to you believing in something supernatural, also what was the monkey before it ate them lol without conciousness which would basically make it like AI.

Meh doesn't really matter what you believe tho at the end of the day

 

[yzarim3456]

Believing in magic mushrooms giving you conciousness is kind of like believing in god due to you believing in something supernatural, also what was the monkey before it ate them lol without conciousness which would basically make it like AI.

Meh doesn't really matter what you believe tho at the end of the day

js a monkey i guess. it was there, didnt know it was there. it knew it was hungry, saw some mushrooms and boom, now im here (millions of years later).

 

[CalmFrog]

Thank you!!

Yes you are right, but I just personally think it sounds more logical that it’s all coincidental than one person making every aspect, maybe im just anti religion but I think it’s more realistic that we are a 1/1,000,000,000,000 chance of happening than someone hand making everything

I see, thats where personal belief and experiences come to play, Ive had so many nights where I thought I was alone, and nothing I did would've helped the situation I was in at the time, miraculasy Turn better just from a simple look to the sky and a prayer, some days ago I had one of those nights, (I posted a photo of the post), I felt helpless with not a single ounce of power in my hands, but things worked out in the end

Also How insane is it that iam typing this on a laptop made of Unbelievably complex and tiny circuitry, powered by energy that I got from an outlet that moderates the level of power coming from the power lines that I dont even want to get into how they were/are created.

Life is too complicated and precise for me to just throw it at some coincidence, I'am Muslim Because it makes sense to me, But the majority of my belief is built on being a good person, spreading positivity and leaving the world in a better place, and not any specific form of worship (Which Ik this way of thinking is a major sin in islam, but I'am the one who burden it at the end of the day, Being a believer just for the sake of believing is no way to live)

 

[signatureharry]

I see, thats where personal belief and experiences come to play, Ive had so many nights where I thought I was alone, and nothing I did would've helped the situation I was in at the time, miraculasy Turn better just from a simple look to the sky and a prayer, some days ago I had one of those nights, (I posted a photo of the post), I felt helpless with not a single ounce of power in my hands, but things worked out in the end

Also How insane is it that iam typing this on a laptop made of Unbelievably complex and tiny circuitry, powered by energy that I got from an outlet that moderates the level of power coming from the power lines that I dont even want to get into how they were/are created.

Life is too complicated and precise for me to just throw it at some coincidence, I'am Muslim Because it makes sense to me, But the majority of my belief is built on being a good person, spreading positivity and leaving the world in a better place, and not any specific form of worship (Which Ik this way of thinking is a major sin in islam, but I'am the one who burden it at the end of the day, Being a believer just for the sake of believing is no way to live)

For me, i will never believe in a god as there is too much suffering in the world, life is too unfair for majority of every single person that has stepped foot on this earth so why would this all be allowed? and similarly, if gods plan is perfect why would a prayer change his already ‘perfect’ plan?

I respect you for believing however it will never make enough sense for me, there’s a quote where someone said smth like if god is real he would have to beg for my forgiveness and I believe very strongly in that statement

 

[CalmFrog]

For me, i will never believe in a god as there is too much suffering in the world, life is too unfair for majority of every single person that has stepped foot on this earth so why would this all be allowed? and similarly, if gods plan is perfect why would a prayer change his already ‘perfect’ plan?

I respect you for believing however it will never make enough sense for me, there’s a quote where someone said smth like if god is real he would have to beg for my forgiveness and I believe very strongly in that statement

Have you ever heard of the egg theory? I watched a video about it years ago, but if I had to guide someone who isnt a believer in god I would guide them to this theory,





This theory is one of my favorite theories ever, it explains and shows that all of the pain in the world isnt for nothing in the end.

Also the idea of heaven and hell is a cheap way to explain it LOL, but I believe that this entire existence is a test, a test of your character and not your belief, after enduring said pain, however harsh it is, how will you turn out? will you be inflicting it to other people, or will you be a striving force to lessen it for others

if gods plan is perfect why would a prayer change his already ‘perfect’ plan?

Because god is merciful, god isnt there to hurt you, he's there for when you need him most.

I believe that everything that has/is/will happen is already destined, the end points are written clearly, but its the journey to those endpoints that leave room for change, You will experience hardship and you will experience pain, sometimes god wont answer your calls and prayers, but he's listening. We might not see everything that happens in our lives as fair, and that is ok, but without those hardships we would've never been the people who we became today

In islam and most abrahamic religions, we believe that earth is a test, its not perfect to say the least, because perfection was in heaven, we lost the privilege of gods perfection once the first human, Adam, sinned