How do you relate to guys pretending to be slayers IRL?

[MoggerGaston]

Brutal. That country should get nuked tbh. Wtf is this shit they are ahead of everyone in hypergamy. Nuke that shit hole asap. Never going to that hell on Earth

Standards are going down on average though.

White women don't have many kids here anymore, while the dutch government is importing huge amounts of ethnics/refugees that have far more kids per woman (and subhuman looking).

Average height is going down, average looks is going down.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Standards are going down on average though.

White women don't have many kids here anymore, while the dutch government is importing huge amounts of ethnics/refugees that have far more kids per woman (and subhuman looking).

Average height is going down, average looks is going down.

I find it hard to believe that 6'2 struggles tbh. Clown world

 

[MoggerGaston]

What a dystopian cagefuel, all the subhuman migrants are having a ton of children while the natives barely have any and most are incels, brutal future for the Netherlands

Official government stats predict that by 2050, less than half the population will be white in the netherlands.
It's a few decades and then u'll see mostly africans/asians in the netherlands.

It's beyond my own time-frame though. I'll be in my 50s when this happens. Hopefully living in some white gated-community in south-america ngl.

 

[MoggerGaston]

I find it hard to believe that 6'2 struggles tbh. Clown world

I mean if u'r 6'2 normie u wont be incel, but u might get on this website if ur unlucky if u know what I mean.

The average 6'2 normie dates some average becky and thinks nothing more. Thinks it's all good.

The 6'2 normie that thinks he can get a girl that is above average looking, a girl that isn't chubby, that's the guy that will make an account here.

 

[Marco Polo]

Official government stats predict that by 2050, less than half the population will be white in the netherlands.
It's a few decades and then u'll see mostly africans/asians in the netherlands.

It's beyond my own time-frame though. I'll be in my 50s when this happens. Hopefully living in some white gated-community in south-america ngl.

In 20 years you'll barely see 2-3 natives in pics like this:

 

[MartinL]

Men are worse-looking on average in non-white countries like Poland, Italy, Spain. Standards are lower there imo.

France is also nigger-infested nowadays so it wont be a white country for long anymore. Standards will go down.

Agree with italy and poland (jewish/roman noses and baldcells in EE) but for Spain Spanish guys have the highest SMV of all countries, the average psl and competition there is insanely high. U can cope and heightmog people there if ur tall though or if you have exotic northern european features as a foreigner

 

[MoggerGaston]

Agree with italy and poland (jewish/roman noses and baldcells in EE) but for Spain Spanish guys have the highest SMV of all countries, the average psl and competition there is insanely high. U can cope and heightmog people there if ur tall though or if you have exotic northern european features as a foreigner

Spanish guys are short though.
Tall spanish guys (6'0+) are moggers. But the average spanish guy will have to make up for height.

Also I guess the girls are much better in Spain. Higher libido. It makes it so less guys are incel, cuz girls have more sex to distribute.
Best sexual experiences I've had so far were with latina girls. Energetic in bed and crave sex. White women don't.

 

[BoneDensity]

Yes. I get 2-4 matches per WEEK.

At HTN dating BEGINS. Anything below is a brutal struggle.

Absolutely brutal. Western Europe is nightmare mode. A sub HTN isn't even taken into consideration by women. As a normie it's better to just stop trying and LDAR or geomaxx because nothing you can change will make any real impact on your SMV here.

 

[MartinL]

Spanish guys are short though.
Tall spanish guys (6'0+) are moggers. But the average spanish guy will have to make up for height.

Also I guess the girls are much better in Spain. Higher libido. It makes it so less guys are incel, cuz girls have more sex to distribute.
Best sexual experiences I've had so far were with latina girls. Energetic in bed and crave sex. White women don't.

Thats true, compared to northern europe Spanish girls are generally much less reserved and a lot more open to flirtation. I think getting an average slay is a lot easier but if u want the Stacy's you still have put in the work

 

[MoggerGaston]

Absolutely brutal. Western Europe is nightmare mode. A sub HTN isn't even taken into consideration by women. As a normie it's better to just stop trying and LDAR or geomaxx because nothing you can change will make any real impact on your SMV here.

If you are sub-HTN in Western-europe and are unable to cope with this (most normal people are and dont care about having shit SMV) then:

You seriously need to consider relocating to southern europe or eastern europe. This way you can still keep in touch with your native friends/family since travel within europe is easy.
But you should also consider asia/south-america. USA if you are really smart/ambitious since u can get a 100k+ job there if you are, which you'll never get in Europe. That type of money can give life quality too.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

I tried niche-maxxing. Failed.

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Now I got fuck-boy tier hair again but still no matches.

Your face is too low trust slav low class looking. Eyes not pretty enough, lips downturned, and also, shit lower third ngl.
Im nitpicking but if ure facing its due to that

 

[MoggerGaston]

Thats true, compared to northern europe Spanish girls are generally much less reserved and a lot more open to flirtation. I think getting an average slay is a lot easier but if u want the Stacy's you still have put in the work

I made a topic about this before. As a guy you need 3 women:

Latina women for your sex-life. Non-ideal genetically and demanding in relationships
White women to have kids with genetically. They are low-libido and too demanding in relationships
Asian women as a girlfriend/LTR because they are the most easy-going and submissive, but shit genes and low libido.

Idk how black women fit in here I don't have experience with them.

 

[the BULL]

Agree with italy and poland (jewish/roman noses and baldcells in EE) but for Spain Spanish guys have the highest SMV of all countries, the average psl and competition there is insanely high. U can cope and heightmog people there if ur tall though or if you have exotic northern european features as a foreigner

How would you even know
When Will you understand that the whole Europe Is hard
I've geospoofed everywhere with tinder the results are Always the same

 

[Deleted member 16944]

It's kinda insane to think about. These guys seriously think they are the shit.

I still can't really understand the psychology of average men pretending to do well with women. Their brains must be wired so different to mine, much more NT, delusional, narcy.

You have gymmaxxed HTNs on this forum complaining about not matching slim HTBs. Meanwhile you will have these skinny-fat normies that I know plenty of IRL, that can barely slay a chubby becky. And they are somehow fine with this and think they are attractive and doing well.

I just can't really place it yet. Either
1)they are NPCs and I am living in a simulation with these spawned NPCs
2)either I am mentally ill
3)or they are mentally ill

It's very painful for most men to admit they're not doing well with girls. It's a very sensitive topic / area of discussion and men have a lot of ego wrapped up in it.

Remember most guys are not blackpilled and so are completely unaware of what the fuck is going on in the dating market. They don't understand that it's ok to admit they're struggling. They think they have to be successful with girls to be worth a damn

 

[MoggerGaston]

Your face is too low trust slav low class looking. Eyes not pretty enough, lips downturned, and also, shit lower third ngl.
Im nitpicking but if ure facing its due to that

Nah ur not nitpicking, it's healthy advice considering I am not getting the results I want.

'low trust' : I guess it's mostly my eyebrows. I think if I make them less thick it will reduce my overal appeal/SMV more than I'll gain from the higher trust look though. So can't do much about it.

'slav low class looking':
Beyond dressing well though, I guess it's just racism that's the issue here. I am high IQ student at a top university. If I look low-class despite dressing well it's because of racism and I need to move to a diff country, not much I can do.

'eyes not pretty enough'
canthoplasty to get positive canthal tilt? idk if its worth it

'lips downturned'
no idea whats the solution to this

'shit lower third'
my lower third is too thin/weak I agree. I also have slight overbite. What could be the best solution? I am thinking a jaw implant.

 

[mightyravendark]

What does HTN mean?

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Nah ur not nitpicking, it's healthy advice considering I am not getting the results I want.

'low trust' : I guess it's mostly my eyebrows. I think if I make them less thick it will reduce my overal appeal/SMV more than I'll gain from the higher trust look though. So can't do much about it.

'slav low class looking':
Beyond dressing well though, I guess it's just racism that's the issue here. I am high IQ student at a top university. If I look low-class despite dressing well it's because of racism and I need to move to a diff country, not much I can do.

'eyes not pretty enough'
canthoplasty to get positive canthal tilt? idk if its worth it

'lips downturned'
no idea whats the solution to this

'shit lower third'
my lower third is too thin/weak I agree. I also have slight overbite. What could be the best solution? I am thinking a jaw implant.

If i was you i would start maxxing out my lashes even wearing subtle mascara. For lips get a full stubble to hide the low trust vibe and for the jaw, yes jaw implants or tremendous amount of fillers.
You can’t change your pheno sadly but with this you can fraud it. You need basically more prettiness and more bones. Usually what slavs lack, both

 

[MoggerGaston]

How would you even know
When Will you understand that the whole Europe Is hard
I've geospoofed everywhere with tinder the results are Always the same

True tbh.

I have spoofed my location to poland many times and I always got the same shit results as in the netherlands.

I have polish roots though and hanged there in my youth a lot in the country side and girls were far more receptive to me. So I still believe it's easier there than in western-europe. Just can't use tinder in big cities as being representative, since its fucked by mass-tourism.

 

[the BULL]

True tbh.

I have spoofed my location to poland many times and I always got the same shit results as in the netherlands.

I have polish roots though and hanged there in my youth a lot in the country side and girls were far more receptive to me. So I still believe it's easier there than in western-europe. Just can't use tinder in big cities as being representative, since its fucked by mass-tourism.

you gotta understand that your view is skewed by pre-covid + probably high school environment. i don't even need to travel to know that every place is the same. even my small town was trad like 3 years ago but now it's full of whores with tinder. no high value girls seen with average guys, no cold approaches as they all end up badly.

 

[It'snotover]

Couldn't you just change country? Heard by many that Netherlands are absolutely shit in every aspect, just change country. And no, in italy things aren't easier, as you'll be in Europe standards will be high everywhere. From south to north they just want GL men, and in Milan there are many MM so also here competition is pretty high.

 

[MoggerGaston]

If i was you i would start maxxing out my lashes even wearing subtle mascara. For lips get a full stubble to hide the low trust vibe and for the jaw, yes jaw implants or tremendous amount of fillers.
You can’t change your pheno sadly but with this you can fraud it. You need basically more prettiness and more bones. Usually what slavs lack, both

mascara to fix eye-area.

Full stubble I can't get. If I grow it out too much it looks too patchy/un-even, I have tried it many time sbefore.
I have to consider a 'minox-beard' to fix that but I have always heard negative shit about using minox like that. A beard won't make me look higher trust either.

jaw implants are a serious thing I have to put more thought into and research.

I am hiding my norwood 2.5 but I should get Hair transplant too.

Slavs look like masc ogres. It's the same issue with balkans. We tend to norwood fast, and not look pretty.
I kinda believe my parents fucked me by moving to western europe. The 'masc ogre' look does well in eastern/south-eastern europe. But does awful with Western girls that are more into pretty guys than masc guys.

 

[MartinL]

How would you even know
When Will you understand that the whole Europe Is hard
I've geospoofed everywhere with tinder the results are Always the same

I lived in 4 different european countries and travelled to another dozen ever since I turned 18 so I can speak from my own experiences

Scandinavia was by far the hardest to slay (being scandinavian myself so not having any features considered exotic or striking there, plus 6'0 which is only considered around average for my age there)

UK was piss easy but most of the girls there are legit ogres that you wouldnt even want to touch

Italy, most italian guys are ugly and not that tall with hooked noses, it was probably the easiest with my nordic pheno

Spain somewhere inbetween, pheno and height really helped but the competition from other guys there was also higher if you want good looking girls.

My conclusion is that anywhere you live if you are GL plus have a different pheno from the rest of the other GL people there then you will have an easy time slaying. If the Spanish dark haired olive skinned chads I encountered in Spain for example moved to Scandinavia they would be absolute slayers and mog any GL scandinavian looking guy too

 

[MoggerGaston]

you gotta understand that your view is skewed by pre-covid + probably high school environment. i don't even need to travel to know that every place is the same. even my small town was trad like 3 years ago but now it's full of whores with tinder. no high value girls seen with average guys, no cold approaches as they all end up badly.

Last time I hanged a lot in the country-side in Poland was 10 years ago when I was 16. I had girls there seemingly in love with me. But I couldn't stay there for more than 1-2 weeks so it never got any further than making out.

Idk how it's like there anymore. But from what I've heard, all pretty girls move to the big cities once they're done with high-school now (18yo). And at that point they're on tinder+instagram and hypergamy takes over.

 

[the BULL]

I lived in 4 different european countries and travelled to another dozen ever since I turned 18 so I can speak from my own experiences

Scandinavia was by far the hardest to slay (being scandinavian myself so not having any features considered exotic or striking there, plus 6'0 which is only considered around average for my age there)

UK is piss easy but most of the girls there are legit orgres that you wouldnt even want to touch

Italy, most italian guys are ugly and not that tall with hooked noses, it was probably the easiest with my nordic pheno

Spain somewhere inbetween, pheno and height really helped but the competition from other guys there was also higher.

My conclusion is that anywhere live if you are GL plus have a different pheno from the rest of the other GL people there then you will have an easy time slaying. If the Spanish dark haired olive skinned chads I encountered in Spain for example moved to Scandinavia they would be absolute slayers and mog any GL scandinavian looking guy too

i go outside everyday just to get mogged by prettyboys. it's true italian are short but they literally have the same pheno of spanish guys, you probably just lived in a low class area. there is no look discrepancy in europe i see gl guys from everywhere

 

[It'snotover]

i go outside everyday just to get mogged by prettyboys. it's true italian are short but they literally have the same pheno of spanish guys, you probably just lived in a low class area. there is no look discrepancy in europe i see gl guys from everywhere

Yeah, caging at hearing that italians doesn't have good pheno or are ugly, in italy there are many phenotypes you can find from the arab subhuman guy to the blonde hair and blue eyes guy. Even i have dark blonde hair and pale skin, jfl to who thinks italians are sandniggers

 

[Marco Polo]

Yeah, caging at hearing that italians doesn't have good pheno or are ugly, in italy there are many phenotypes you can find from the arab subhuman guy to the blonde hair and blue eyes guy. Even i have dark blonde hair and pale skin, jfl to who thinks italians are sandniggers

True, but many Italians also look like this:

 

[It'snotover]

True, but many Italians also look like this:

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but the guy you posted(Donnarumma, a football player) seems recessed that's why he has a shitty nose. I have a slightly crooked nose just like opry and it isn't noticeable even in pics, this guy nose is death tier even many jewish don't have his nose. But yeah for many southern italian guys is difficult to run the pretty boy game, they don't have the pheno but not everyone is an arab sandnigger, it's a bullshit that italian guys all have a death tier crooked nose.

 

[Deleted member 20273]

This.

We go clubbing with my entire student housing unit every once in a while (7 other people). It's always extremely clear who has a chance with women and who doesn't.

Only guy I can admit is doing well with women, who never bragged about it btw, is a 6'5 normie. I see him get approached by looksmatched girls 3-4 times per evening. He does nothing special, doesn't dance, just stands and drinks his beer with us. But his height makes girls approach him.

The rest are just coping

Wat is naar jouw mening de ideale lengte in Nederland? Ik ben 193 maar mij lijkt 196/7 optimaal in Nederland. (Vergelijkbaar met 6"4 in de Verenigde Staten)

 

[BeenLMSsinceMSN]

Knowing I am an incel at HTN looks in the netherlands,I have several normie-HTN friends that pretend to be doing well with women. Telling me about (fake) slays, fake girls that shows interest, etc.

I just agree with them and praise them for their slays. But I think they are retarded subhuman NPCs.
Like how the fuck can u pretend to be doing well with women with me. U think I am a fool?
I know what dating is like in the netherlands u dumb fuck. Either u say ur incel or u can suck my dick with ur fake story bs.

Damn Netherlands sounds brutal af . Is social circle important over there? And how hard is tinder

 

[Deleted member 20273]

Damn Netherlands sounds brutal af . Is social circle important over there? And how hard is tinder

From experience, social circle is very important. Approaching is generally more difficult.

 

[forevergymcelling]

Legit never happens. All fat and/or low T males are incels.
All girls that aren't fat date only chads or high status/rich men.

Can you post an exmaple of a typical normal Dutch Chad

At the Algarve last week the Dutch guys got nothing. They seemed insanely high inhb

 

[MoggerGaston]

Can you post an exmaple of a typical normal Dutch Chad

At the Algarve last week the Dutch guys got nothing. They seemed insanely high inhb

Men don't approach that much in the netherlands. You wait till women approach you here mostly tbh. Approaching is non-NT.

 

[LightSkinNoob]

Yes. I get 2-4 matches per WEEK.

I’m the same, got off tinder, too suicide inducing.

 

[Deleted member 4430]

Knowing I am an incel at HTN looks in the netherlands,I have several normie-HTN friends that pretend to be doing well with women. Telling me about (fake) slays, fake girls that shows interest, etc.

I just agree with them and praise them for their slays. But I think they are retarded subhuman NPCs.
Like how the fuck can u pretend to be doing well with women with me. U think I am a fool?
I know what dating is like in the netherlands u dumb fuck. Either u say ur incel or u can suck my dick with ur fake story bs.

you are friend with the bull?

 

[AlexAP]

I had to delete account due to personal security issues.

Wtf the FBI is active in the Netherlands?

 

[Oberyn]

Men don't approach that much in the netherlands. You wait till women approach you here mostly tbh. Approaching is non-NT.

Approaching is non-nt holyshit lol. Do you approach?

 

[Deleted member 21700]

dunno, while I was mad drunk and high on my backpacking trip, I was shouting to some MTNs dutch group at the club that they can all slay hard coz they have blue eyes, blonde hair, most got weirded out but one of them replied "you read too much reddit man, not all white guys have it so easy". And in one case, after asking where the guy was from, I just commented (drunk) "wow man, you guys are so tall", I could literally see how his heart sunk from his facial expressions because he was like 5'7 prolly.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Yes. I get 2-4 matches per WEEK.

At HTN dating BEGINS. Anything below is a brutal struggle.

You’re good looking but look like an oldcel, I assume you’re going for younger girls

You would’ve gotten much better results with same face if you were just younger looking

 

[Baldingman1998]

@Biggdink

 

[Baldingman1998]

@Biggdink elab??

 

[Baldingman1998]

You’re good looking but look like an oldcel, I assume you’re going for younger girls

You would’ve gotten much better results with same face if you were just younger looking

He only looks old in the bottom left picture tbh.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

@Biggdink

Op is coping too much

Lots of users say north Europe is very easy and ugly guys slay all the time @Johanjohan

Girls don’t like older guys tho, it’s considered creepy for a 30 year old to hit on a 25 year old girl

Maybe op should go for 30-35 year old women

 

[Baldingman1998]

Op is coping too much

Lots of users say north Europe is very easy and ugly guys slay all the time @Johanjohan

Girls don’t like older guys tho, it’s considered creepy for a 30 year old to hit on a 25 year old girl

Maybe op should go for 30-35 year old women

Age is just a number

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Age is just a number

Yes , op is only 25 but looks 30 , so most girls in 20s won’t like him. Looking younger is ideal in west

Tbh op has posted few of his exes and they mogged him

 

[Blackgymmax]

just go along with it even tho you know its horse shit

 

[Wallenberg]

Girls don’t like older guys tho, it’s considered creepy for a 30 year old to hit on a 25 year old girl

Uhh what? 5 years age difference is normal

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Uhh what? 5 years age difference is normal

Yea 5 years younger than her

 

[Baldingman1998]

Yea 5 years younger than her
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[TheAbyssinian]

it’s good that most men cope and it’s good that women lie to men and let them down easy. I used to think otherwise but I know better now. Imagine if women flat out told a guy he’s ugly af and would never get sex. After so many times there is no cope and many normie men would just either ER in masses or off themselves

That is way better than people coping tbh

 

[Deleted member 21620]

normies like to overexaggerate