How Do You Trust Eppley After Reading All These Complaints

[Deleted member 22705]

He seems like a conman who overpromises and under-delivers, doesn't care about his patients and only wants money. Just look at this site, it's full of complaints where he performs extremely botched surgeries.

 

[Artemis]

He seems like a conman who overpromises and under-delivers, doesn't care about his patients and only wants money. Just look at this site, it's full of complaints where he performs extremely botched surgeries.

Because he, Yaremchuk, and other 3-4 surgeons hold the FULL monopoly on the market of implants.

You simply have no choice if you want a custom implant.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

Because he, Yaremchuk, and other 3-4 surgeons hold the FULL monopoly on the market of implants.

You simply have no choice if you want a custom implant.

Who are the other 3-4 surgeons?

 

[Artemis]

Who are the other 3-4 surgeons?

Eppley Yaremchuk Defrancq Pagnoni Ramieri

Also some surgeons are known for their use of STANDARD implants, like Niamtu. Theoretically, might be also doing customs. But who knows.

 

[Pakicel]

They have no choice. Also, in case you haven't noticed, surgery is very limited in what it can do to improve your appearance.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

Eppley Yaremchuk Defrancq Pagnoni Ramieri

Also some surgeons are known for their use of STANDARD implants, like Niamtu. Theoretically, might be also doing customs. But who knows.

Only two of them are in the US?

 

[Pakicel]

Eppley Yaremchuk Defrancq Pagnoni Ramieri

Also some surgeons are known for their use of STANDARD implants, like Niamtu. Theoretically, might be also doing customs. But who knows.

If I got your filler results, I would be disappointed.

Honestly, I doubt implants will get you the angular jaw and cheekbones you want as it seems like your anatomy is the limiting factor.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

They have no choice. Also, in case you haven't noticed, surgery is very limited in what it can do to improve your appearance.

I think custom CT scanned implants and maxillofacial surgery can produce amazing results. It can probably create a htn eye area, jawline or chin, even if it's below average before, as long as there are no deformities or death tier issues. Of course chadlites and chads are born but maybe a MTN getting surgeries can reach chadlite.

 

[Pakicel]

I think custom CT scanned implants and maxillofacial surgery can produce amazing results. It can probably create a htn eye area, jawline or chin, even if it's below average before, as long as there are no deformities or death tier issues. Of course chadlites and chads are born but maybe a MTN getting surgeries can reach chadlite.

No. Do you even go through all the before and afters? good results are very few.

 

[Pakicel]

I think custom CT scanned implants and maxillofacial surgery can produce amazing results. It can probably create a htn eye area, jawline or chin, even if it's below average before, as long as there are no deformities or death tier issues. Of course chadlites and chads are born but maybe a MTN getting surgeries can reach chadlite.

Bimax does not do shit if you are not deformity tier recessed. And implant results are very unpredictable.

 

[Artemis]

Only two of them are in the US?

Only two of those who i know from this website

 

[Pakicel]

Only two of those who i know from this website

This is the other limitation as well. There are few surgeons who even do custom implants and they are too expensive for most people.

 

[Artemis]

Bimax does not do shit if you are not deformity tier recessed. And implant results are very unpredictable.

THIS.

And you redo them with your own money! You also pay EVERYTHING again. So if the first trial fails, you pay again those 15k!

This is why fillers are so better than implants. But again, there are reasons to choose implants. After all, 1 syringe of Voluma is 500 Euro lol in my country.

 

[Pakicel]

THIS.

And you redo them with your own money! You also pay EVERYTHING again. So if the first trial fails, you pay again those 15k!

Why bother with surgery in that case? Spending that much money for no guaranteed results?

 

[Deleted member 22705]

No. Do you even go through all the before and afters? good results are very few.

Maybe you are right. But why does it happen this way? And could it improve in the future?

 

[Artemis]

Why bother with surgery in that case? Spending that much money for no guaranteed results?

Yeah, good point. Because you want to improve your looks

So you kinda take a risk.

E.g. i need rhino, which is more important for me than cheek implants. That shit also has failure rate of 15%. but unlike implants, it is at least done in every country, and there is no monopoly, so no need to give away 15k for 2 pieces of plastic.

Also, if rhino has complications, you pay around 10% of the whole thing to fix them. While with implants, you pay 50% at Ramieri. Cant even imagine what Eppley charges

 

[Pakicel]

Maybe you are right. But why does it happen this way? And will it improve in the future?

That is because there is a lot to the angular jaw and cheeks that models have that we don't fully understand. It's not as simple as slapping a piece of plastic on your skull. Soft tissues are a big factor in how your jaw appears from the outside. Some people just have very thick skin and IDK fat or whatever that will always prevent them from having sharp bone structure. And the worse thing is, I see people here telling them to get implants, when they will just get bloatmaxxed.

Tbh, to actually fix this problem, we would need legit body transplants. We are a long way away from being able to ascend ugly dudes reliably.

 

[Artemis]

Maybe you are right. But why does it happen this way? And could it improve in the future?

It can't. The surgeons themselves will tell you that they cannot control what the final result will be. They DONT have a millimiter-precise solution. They just do it "by experience" lol and you have to comply

ANd ONE millimiter on the zygomatic arch distinguishes Kortajarena from Bogdanoff.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

That is because there is a lot to the angular jaw and cheeks that models have that we don't fully understand. It's not as simple as slapping a piece of plastic on your skull. Soft tissues are a big factor in how your jaw appears from the outside. Some people just have very thick skin and IDK fat or whatever that will always prevent them from having sharp bone structure. And the worse thing is, I see people here telling them to get implants, when they will just get bloatmaxxed.

Why doesn't some combination of implants, filler and liposuction work effectively then if it's just the soft tissue?

 

[Pakicel]

It can't. The surgeons themselves will tell you that they cannot control what the final result will be. They DONT have a millimiter-precise solution. They just do it "by experience" lol and you have to comply

ANd ONE millimiter on the zygomatic arch distinguishes Kortajarena from Bogdanoff.

I just think patients have unrealistic expectations sometimes and eppley does not want to tell them it is over for them as it is bad for business.

 

[Pakicel]

Why doesn't some combination of implants, filler and liposuction work effectively then if it's just the soft tissue?

Cause I don't think it just fat. Like look at this dude:

He isn't fat or anything and I don't even think his underlying bone structure is deficient. There is something else that is giving him this pudgy rounded look. I see this in a lot of ethnics.

 

[Artemis]

Why doesn't some combination of implants, filler and liposuction work effectively then if it's just the soft tissue?

You can't "liposuct" thick skin AFAIK. Same for other structure on the face. E.g. if you remove buccal fat, you run a VERY high risk to age like shit. So you dont want to do that. But some people do just fine. You NEVER know

 

[Artemis]

I just think patients have unrealistic expectations sometimes and eppley does not want to tell them it is over for them as it is bad for business.

This is true for many cases when they need osteotomies, but Eppley does not want to do that, so instead slams a chin implant on them

But im quite sure in MANY cases, Eppley simply cannot tell himself what the final result in this or that patient would be: everything is approximate.

 

[Pakicel]

You can't "liposuct" thick skin AFAIK. Same for other structure on the face. E.g. if you remove buccal fat, you run a VERY high risk to age like shit. So you dont want to do that. But some people do just fine. You NEVER know

I think most people here are just better off trying to accept the way they look and not get all these implants and fillers. Surgery only works if there is one really fucked up feature or something. Most people here just have lots of moderate failos or unfixable problems such as ratios, phenotype and skull shape. They should obviously softmax for their own self esteem though and leanmaxxing, gymcelling, haircuts etc are not high effort.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

It can't. The surgeons themselves will tell you that they cannot control what the final result will be. They DONT have a millimiter-precise solution. They just do it "by experience" lol and you have to comply

ANd ONE millimiter on the zygomatic arch distinguishes Kortajarena from Bogdanoff.

Couldn't they use technology in the future to model the person's face with milimeter precision, create a custom designed implant accurately using software, while also considering the soft-tissue, utilize some kind of delicate instrument maybe a robot hand to put in the right place after making the incision, make necessary corrections for soft-tissue to give decent look?

Cause I don't think it just fat. Like look at this dude:

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He isn't fat or anything and I don't even think his underlying bone structure is deficient. There is something else that is giving him this pudgy rounded

look. I see this in a lot of ethnics.

It probably has to do with the shape of his midface. His entire mid-facial skeleton would need to be changed to give an angular look.

You can't "liposuct" thick skin AFAIK. Same for other structure on the face. E.g. if you remove buccal fat, you run a VERY high risk to age like shit. So you dont want to do that. But some people do just fine. You NEVER know

Is there some medication that can thin the skin? For example, accutane thinned my nose skin before and that's what a surgeon suggested instead of rhinoplasty.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

If I got your filler results, I would be disappointed.

Honestly, I doubt implants will get you the angular jaw and cheekbones you want as it seems like your anatomy is the limiting factor.

Wdym his? @Artemis pm ur results mine were good tbh

 

[Pakicel]

Couldn't they use technology in the future to model the person's face with milimeter precision, create a custom designed implant accurately using software, while also considering the soft-tissue, utilize some kind of delicate instrument maybe a robot hand to put in the right place after making the incision, make necessary corrections for soft-tissue to give decent look?


It probably has to do with the shape of his midface. His entire mid-facial skeleton would need to be changed to give an angular look.


Is there some medication that can thin the skin? For example, accutane thinned my nose skin before and that's what a surgeon suggested instead of rhinoplasty.

I have seen your nose skin. It is still thick af. So even if it did, the difference was prolly not dramatic.

 

[Pakicel]

Wdym his? @Artemis pm ur results mine were good tbh

That is cause you already had good bones to begin with and just wanted a subtle enhancement.

 

[Artemis]

Couldn't they use technology in the future to model the person's face with milimeter precision, create a custom designed implant accurately using software, while also considering the soft-tissue, utilize some kind of delicate instrument maybe a robot hand to put in the right place after making the incision, make necessary corrections for soft-tissue to give decent look?

You need to write a science fiction book
RN there is no such tech, and not gonna be the next decade for sure

Is there some medication that can thin the skin? For example, accutane thinned my nose skin before and that's what a surgeon suggested instead of rhinoplasty.

No.

And if it permanent thinning YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. At age 28+ you want your skin AS THICK AS POSSIBLE. Thin skin ages as shit very fast as soon as you past your early twenties.

 

[Pakicel]

Couldn't they use technology in the future to model the person's face with milimeter precision, create a custom designed implant accurately using software, while also considering the soft-tissue, utilize some kind of delicate instrument maybe a robot hand to put in the right place after making the incision, make necessary corrections for soft-tissue to give decent look?


It probably has to do with the shape of his midface. His entire mid-facial skeleton would need to be changed to give an angular look.


Is there some medication that can thin the skin? For example, accutane thinned my nose skin before and that's what a surgeon suggested instead of rhinoplasty.

We don't know for sure tbh. And fixing it would not be practical.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

I think most people here are just better off trying to accept the way they look and not get all these implants and fillers. Surgery only works if there is one really fucked up feature or something. Most people here just have lots of moderate failos or unfixable problems such as ratios, phenotype and skull shape. They should obviously softmax for their own self esteem though and leanmaxxing, gymcelling, haircuts etc are not high effort.

What would you suggest then for truecels who are mistreated for their looks even after softmaxxing other than roping?

I have seen your nose skin. It is still thick af. So even if it did, the difference was prolly not dramatic.

I think it was thinner, but the acne came back and I gained weight.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

You need to write a science fiction book
RN there is no such tech, and not gonna be the next decade for sure

No.

And if it permanent thinning YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. At age 28+ you want your skin AS THICK AS POSSIBLE. Thin skin ages as shit very fast as soon as you post your early twenties.

Btw whats your thought on bone resorbption after fillers there were some studied

 

[Deleted member 18840]

What would you suggest then for truecels who are mistreated for their looks even after softmaxxing other than roping?

I think it was thinner, but the acne came back and I gained weight.

For trucels i would suggest all or nothing. Extreme movements.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

You need to write a science fiction book
RN there is no such tech, and not gonna be the next decade for sure

No.

And if it permanent thinning YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. At age 28+ you want your skin AS THICK AS POSSIBLE. Thin skin ages as shit very fast as soon as you post your early twenties.

Then should people be waiting to get surgery until their skin thins out.

 

[Pakicel]

What would you suggest then for truecels who are mistreated for their looks even after softmaxxing other than roping?

I honestly don't know the solution. Most people here are not truecels. A lot are below average but they won't be treated badly because of the way they look. The blackpill is no where near as absolute as you think and many truecels do make it.

It depends on why the truecel is a truecel though. If they have a legit deformed jaw or something, then surgery makes sense. Also, some are very fat or have bad skin/shit grooming etc. If they fix those they can escape trueceldom.

People deal with all sorts of crappy situations such as becoming paralyzed, being rendered homeless and somehow still have the will to live. So IDK.

 

[Artemis]

Then should people be waiting to get surgery until their skin thins out.

Theoretically. When you hit 70...

But by then, if you defy heart attacks, facial attractiveness will be low on your list of priorities

 

[Artemis]

Btw whats your thought on bone resorbption after fillers there were some studied

I think we discussed this at some point, but in general no, fillers do not cause resorption. IMHO.

My specialist told me he saw filler 5 years after the injection on MRI though, so THAT is true. But imo the quantities staying are small.

And tbh, i do not know how it lasts so long for people. Mine lasted like 6 months.

 

[Pakicel]

For trucels i would suggest all or nothing. Extreme movements.

And how likely is that going to work? And what about truecels with garbage phenotype, fucked skull shape etc?

 

[Deleted member 22705]

I honestly don't know the solution. Most people here are not truecels. A lot are below average but they won't be treated badly because of the way they look. The blackpill is no where near as absolute as you think and many truecels do make it.

I haven't seen a single example of a truecel make it. And I certainly can't make it with the way I look now. I do have weight to lose but I think I have a naturally bloated face, there's a lot of fat on my neck so my jawline and chin might improve, but there isn't that much fat on my cheeks and jaw. I have keloid scars so I can't just completely shave off my neckbeard. I feel like there must be something about my face that causes people to hate me more than other below average looking people. Maybe it's my resting bitch face or poor facial harmony and I hope it can be improved with surgery. People say I look tense and worried or angry in some cases.

 

[Artemis]

Wdym his? @Artemis pm ur results mine were good tbh

TBH, filler fixed my negative orbital vector. So at least THIS was solved. WHich i liked.

But it did not give me the high cheekbone look which I hoped for. And I think that it will NOT be able to give the angularity at all, even if I inject additional milliliter on each side. It will just give me a "female" cheek. Which might be good TBH given my cheekbones are completely flat, like Brad Pitt's But this is not the look i want.

 

[Corleone]

Eppley Yaremchuk Defrancq Pagnoni Ramieri

Also some surgeons are known for their use of STANDARD implants, like Niamtu. Theoretically, might be also doing customs. But who knows.

think Yaremchuck and Eppley are one of the only ones offering a full wrap-around implant. But contrary to eppley, yaremchuck's results look way more natural on average.

And tbh, i do not know how it lasts so long for people. Mine lasted like 6 months.

spread into the surrounding tissue. Don't get over-filled, bro.

But it did not give me the high cheekbone look which I hoped for. And I think that it will NOT be able to give the angularity at all, even if I inject additional milliliter on each side. It will just give me a "female" cheek. Which might be good TBH given my cheekbones are completely flat, like Brad Pitt's But this is not the look i want.

ballsy to get cheek fillers as a male.

 

[Oberyn]

i dont

 

[Oberyn]

I haven't seen a single example of a truecel make it. And I certainly can't make it with the way I look now. I do have weight to lose but I think I have a naturally bloated face, there's a lot of fat on my neck so my jawline and chin might improve, but there isn't that much fat on my cheeks and jaw. I have keloid scars so I can't just completely shave off my neckbeard. I feel like there must be something about my face that causes people to hate me more than other below average looking people. Maybe it's my resting bitch face or poor facial harmony and I hope it can be improved with surgery. People say I look tense and worried or angry in some cases.

i've seen not truecel but incel-ltn borderline.

 

[Corleone]

i've seen not truecel but incel-ltn borderline.

Sailer is the only solution for subhumans tbh. but be ready to pay out $100-200k

never seen a single other doc that ascended so many truecels.

 

[Artemis]

spread into the surrounding tissue. Don't get over-filled, bro

Nah, i do not believe in this. The reason is that I got ONLY high-g fillers on the bone (periosteum).

If you are familiar with anatomy:

The fillers like Voluma or Volux, Radiesse, are injected into the periosteum. Periosteum is sth like a CASE for the bone. It is closed. Your fillers have NOWHERE to run out from this casing. They theoretically can spread around the bone. But the pressure inside the bone is SO HIGH, that the filler stays where it was injected pretty much.

The migration is ONLY THE CASE, when SOFT TISSUE is injected, read nasolabial folds, skin wrinkles, and JAW ANGLES unless done on the bone. Terrible procedure btw, if they do it on the skin. That shit DOES migrate.

Oh, and the whole horror about migration started with LIPS. Lips is the Main culprit in 90% of migration cases.

 

[Pakicel]

Sailer is the only solution for subhumans tbh. but be ready to pay out $100-200k
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never seen a single other doc that ascended so many truecels.

This result is frauded. You can just tell by how much he is tilting his head up in the after.

 

[Deleted member 22705]

This result is frauded. You can just tell by how much he is tilting his head up in the after.

Are surgeries on facial features any better, like eyebrows, nose and lips?

 

[Pakicel]

Sailer is the only solution for subhumans tbh. but be ready to pay out $100-200k
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never seen a single other doc that ascended so many truecels.

The limitation for many truecels is not even whether they are able to afford the best surgeons but their own starting base and anatomy.

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

I agree he turned @Übermogger into a weird looking incel

 

[Pakicel]

Are surgeries on facial features any better, like eyebrows, nose and lips?

I am not too knowledgeable regarding those surgeries tbh. But I have heard eyebrows are difficult to improve and making your lips wider or something is hard to do without making you look uncanny. Nose jobs can look good but again you are limited by your anatomy and you risk looking fake.

Also, some people have negatively titled or short eyebrows because their orbitals are bad, which is very difficult to fix.