how hard and risky is it to achieve a eye area like this through surgery

[guyxxi]

assuming your eye area isnt totally fucked or a flaw that everyone notices.

 

[AryanFoidJester]

0 risk
Just need to be born like that

 

[tylerlooks22]

Steven faigen Boca raton

 

[guyxxi]

0 risk
Just need to be born like that

i should have put high iq only

 

[bossman]

i should have put high iq only

he’s right. it is impossible.

take pfl for example. the best bet of increasing it is to have an epicanthoplasty that can improve it by a few mm.

tripod osteotomies that giant planned didn’t do anything. so surgically achieving this is almost impossible.

then if your temporal plane angle is fucked, there’s no remedy for that either. the best you can do is a shave a few mm off the temporal and parietal bone.

we only have surgeries that can fix 60% of eye area failos. you need surgeries that can create 100% of eye area halos for that.

suppose it was even possible. it would take 5-10 high risk surgeries to do it. your complication rate overall would be close to 100%, especially considering all the scar tissue that would need to be re-operated on etc.

so to answer your question, extremely hard and extremely risky.

i used to dream of becoming a chad through surgery. it can only fix your failos. lower your expectations.

 

[guyxxi]

he’s right. it is impossible.

take pfl for example. the best bet of increasing it is to have an epicanthoplasty that can improve it by a few mm.

tripod osteotomies that giant planned didn’t do anything. so surgically achieving this is almost impossible.

then if your temporal plane angle is fucked, there’s no remedy for that either. the best you can do is a shave a few mm off the temporal and parietal bone.

we only have surgeries that can fix 60% of eye area failos. you need surgeries that can create 100% of eye area halos for that.

suppose it was even possible. it would take 5-10 high risk surgeries to do it. your complication rate overall would be close to 100%, especially considering all the scar tissue that would need to be re-operated on etc.

so to answer your question, extremely hard and extremely risky.

i used to dream of becoming a chad through surgery. it can only fix your failos. lower your expectations.

so then what surgery has the best roi overall? (for eyes)

also how can we go about planning what surgeries would be best for our own situation. and rather then just fix things how can we make things key features.

 

[bossman]

so then what surgery has the best roi overall? (for eyes)

also how can we go about planning what surgeries would be best for our own situation. and rather then just fix things how can we make things key features.

send a pic retard

 

[guyxxi]

send a pic retard

before I get anything else im getting bimax so keep that in regard.

 

[Whirr22222]

Pretty sure thats edited and not the original pic

 

[don187]

he’s right. it is impossible.

take pfl for example. the best bet of increasing it is to have an epicanthoplasty that can improve it by a few mm.

tripod osteotomies that giant planned didn’t do anything. so surgically achieving this is almost impossible.

then if your temporal plane angle is fucked, there’s no remedy for that either. the best you can do is a shave a few mm off the temporal and parietal bone.

we only have surgeries that can fix 60% of eye area failos. you need surgeries that can create 100% of eye area halos for that.

suppose it was even possible. it would take 5-10 high risk surgeries to do it. your complication rate overall would be close to 100%, especially considering all the scar tissue that would need to be re-operated on etc.

so to answer your question, extremely hard and extremely risky.

i used to dream of becoming a chad through surgery. it can only fix your failos. lower your expectations.

Hey can you respond to dm pls

 

[ccwb]

0 risk
Just need to be born like that

So close yet so far hope Supra orbs project and ascend me

 

[Nahorscend]

take pfl for example. the best bet of increasing it is to have an epicanthoplasty that can improve it by a few mm.

i have seen this often here, that pfl is basically impossible to change. for some reason every gpt and search says cantho can do it though. and apparently some oculoplastics use bone drilled canthoplasties to increase pfl in cases of pfl deficiency

 

[bossman]

i have seen this often here, that pfl is basically impossible to change. for some reason every gpt and search says cantho can do it though. and apparently some oculoplastics use bone drilled canthoplasties to increase pfl in cases of pfl deficiency

It's a question where multiple surgeons will give you multiple answers.

Raw measurements, especially in this case, are extremely irrelevant. Perception is far more important. And "PFL" perception comes down to PFL : PFH ratio, eyebrow length etc. Some canthoplasty and adjacent procedures seem to improve this perception drastically.

So in cases like yours or mine, when you squint or push your face to reduce scleral show / simulate the procedures we've been discussing, do you still look like a PFLcel? I personally don't. So I should be fine with typical oculoplastic work and potentially some wider eyebrows.

 

[Nahorscend]

It's a question where multiple surgeons will give you multiple answers.

Raw measurements, especially in this case, are extremely irrelevant. Perception is far more important. And "PFL" perception comes down to PFL : PFH ratio, eyebrow length etc. Some canthoplasty and adjacent procedures seem to improve this perception drastically.

So in cases like yours or mine, when you squint or push your face to reduce scleral show / simulate the procedures we've been discussing, do you still look like a PFLcel? I personally don't. So I should be fine with typical oculoplastic work and potentially some wider eyebrows.

I have excellent pfl to pfh ratio if I just push my lower eyelid straight up aka fix retraction. in fact im not far from the lower end of the ideal range even without that.

The only concern for us is that pfl should not take a hit as a side effect of reducing pfh. but thats unlikely or if it does happen, pfh will be reduced so much more that the ratio will still improve. literature on od finds no change in pfl and big change in pfh.

Actually lateral cantho seems to be what would reduce pfl if anything - would tightening the outer corner not reduce the outer scleral triangle's width? This certainly happens when I tighten it with a finger.

 

[lurking truecel]

no one will look like that, unless you are born with elite level elasticity in the skin and all other genetic mircales litteraly

 

[bossman]

I have excellent pfl to pfh ratio if I just push my lower eyelid straight up aka fix retraction. in fact im not far from the lower end of the ideal range even without that.

The only concern for us is that pfl should not take a hit as a side effect of reducing pfh. but thats unlikely or if it does happen, pfh will be reduced so much more that the ratio will still improve. literature on od finds no change in pfl and big change in pfh.

Actually lateral cantho seems to be what would reduce pfl if anything - would tightening the outer corner not reduce the outer scleral triangle's width? This certainly happens when I tighten it with a finger.

i don’t seem to notice this in lateral cantho results, do you?

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Steven faigen Boca raton

Bruh this is a "random" surgen you tossed out.

Granted I know of him, and hes high quality.

 

[guyxxi]

based off my pic I sent what would be the best procedure in my case?

i don’t seem to notice this in lateral cantho results, do you?

 

[Nahorscend]

i don’t seem to notice this in lateral cantho results, do you?

Not generally because any worth its salt will be such that it doesn't happen. This is my possibly very inaccurate understanding, so someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but:

afaik there are two things you can do to the lateral canthus, you can tighten it or reposition it or both. You need plasty for repositioning, I guess pexy tightens or maybe plasty also can tighten idk. But I think if you tighten it a lot without also repositioning it that is where you may lose at least perceived pfl. Because tightening it makes the outer scleral triangle narrower and smaller.

While on this topic, two papers reporting lateral plasty as a means of pfl increase, one reports 3 mm mean increase:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40298151/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4959972/

 

[Glacier]

before I get anything else im getting bimax so keep that in regard.

forever mtn

you could get midface mini facelift and fat grafts though for best results.

 

[Buterman]

assuming your eye area isnt totally fucked or a flaw that everyone notices.

impossible broski