How many incels here have actually tried to self improve?

[stevielake]

And yet most 4/10s end up getting laid and getting cute gfs

It’s very possible. Is it hard, sure. But if you really want something you won’t let a little challenge stop you.

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I guarantee I’m probably more autistic than you. The first 10 or so dates I ever went on, I was so awkward all the girls bailed after like 15 minutes cause I made them so scared with my autism. It really did hurt me. But I never really gave up.

Do you try to put yourself in uncomfortable situations? Try going on a solo trip. Staying at hostels. Going to bars and talking to people. Go on dates.

is that you on left? what's the point on self improving if you can pull women like that while being overweight? genuine question.

 

[latincell95]

It ultimately boils down to NT and not being an autistic retard. If I had a normie brain, I would've ascended a long time ago. I was given IOIs throughout college by various foids, but never manage to follow through/pick up on it.

 

[latincell95]

I have done quite a bit, at least with regard to my looks.

Been going to the gym for roughly 3.5 years straight and got a good body out of it
Dropped down to 12% bf and been around that level for a few years now
Fixed my paleness/colouring by first taking beta carotene and eventually transitioning to tanning+MT2
Got a hair transplant 2 years ago
Been trying lots of stuff with regard to skincare as well but haven't acquired the desired results yet

I used to be below average, but I'm pretty sure I look acceptable now. Nothing spectacular, but not ugly.
Of course, had I managed to actually become attractive, a lot of issues in my life would be solved or at least, greatly reduced.

However, there's a mental aspect to this as well which has been noticeably more difficult to change/improve.
To put it bluntly:

My looks aren't good enough to compensate for my disdain for society/most people (which has often left me on the brink of being a loner)
My mental state isn't good enough to fully capitalize on my improved looks (aka still not taking many chances to socialise, not putting myself out there etc.)

If I had a normie brain with my current looks OR somehow managed to improve my looks with my current mental state, I wouldn't struggle as much as I do now.

Agree, 110%. Even if we managed to ascend, what awaits us on the other side? Some roastie with a 50+ body count?

So you're telling me that after spending $50,000 USD or more on plastic surgeries, all you manage to do is slay used up pussy?

Inb4 some nigger replies with "muh cope."

You're the one coping. Chad got it for "free" while you had to spend a fortune on trying to achieve a fraction of his success

 

[Gargantuan]

So true. My hatred knows no bounds and it is genuinely crippling. This isn’t something that specifically plagues incels either, at least I don’t think—but I don’t think it’s changeable. This isn’t really something that modern medicine has fixed.

Some people will be keen to jump the gun and say muh you're not NT or whatever. But it's not that simple, it's much deeper than that.

Most people in society are NPC conformists and the moment you step out of line, the chances of becoming socially isolated are gonna go up exponentially.
It's truly a lonely world out there when you cannot relate to most people.

And it's not even a choice, no one gets to pick their brain. I can pretend to be a normie and whatnot, but that's just not who I am so I cannot keep the act going forever.

How its melotan?
how do you take it and do you get dark spots etc?

It's good stuff.

I take the nasal spray variant. Got a few dark spots, yes. I think my dick got a tad darker as well

 

[SubSigma]

I lost 50 pounds in 6 months and went from sub5 to htn

 

[Deleted member 19442]

Muh nofap, muh cold showers and le runs is a waste of time and won’t do anything. The redpill looksmaxxing advice you gave only applies to people with a good base. For a trucel like me it’s futile feel good crap.

What matters is your genetic base. You manage pull girls without having to do anything because your base is good.

Your advice is pointless. If you went from trucel to normal sex life I’d listen to you, but you’re already a sexhaver and your plans haven’t yielded any results. You’re only proving atm that muh improoving is pointless and genetics is what really matters

 

[Deleted member 6305]

Tbh I don't think no one ever did this here because mfs here are self destructive af

 

[Gargantuan]

Agree, 110%. Even if we managed to ascend, what awaits us on the other side? Some roastie with a 50+ body count?

So you're telling me that after spending $50,000 USD or more on plastic surgeries, all you manage to do is slay used up pussy?

Inb4 some nigger replies with "muh cope."

You're the one coping. Chad got it for "free" while you had to spend a fortune on trying to achieve a fraction of his success

''Chads aren't made, they are born''

Haven't used that saying in a few years now but it is oh-so-true.

NT and looks both matter but looks truly are no.1 when it comes to living a high-quality life. If everyone has always been nice to you, wants to befriend you, validates you etc., you will not turn into some abused dog with mental problems.

Chad got NT because his high-quality genetics paved the way for that. He will never hate the world because the world has always been nice to him. If you grew up as an abused dog of lesser genetic quality, you're still gonna fall way short of what chad experiences by trying to cheat your genetic destiny through surgery (not discouraging people from doing it though).

 

[Deleted member 19174]

I’m not talking about shit like getting a haircut or showering (although that should obviously be done)

I’m talking actual hard self improving

Religious skincare routine and healthy diet with no fast food.

Going to gym for years, being muscular with 12% body fat.

Getting dripped out with a full new wardrobe.

Getting an valuable college degree.

Making 6 figures.

Nofap and norporn.

Waking up at 6 am and going for runs.

Picking up a new hobby where you can meet people (tennis, skateboarding, bowling, DnD, sailing)

This only works if you are 5'10+

 

[Deleted member 2507]

''Chads aren't made, they are born''

Haven't used that saying in a few years now but it is oh-so-true.

NT and looks both matter but looks truly are no.1 when it comes to living a high-quality life. If everyone has always been nice to you, wants to befriend you, validates you etc., you will not turn into some abused dog with mental problems.

Chad got NT because his high-quality genetics paved the way for that. He will never hate the world because the world has always been nice to him. If you grew up as an abused dog of lesser genetic quality, you're still gonna fall way short of what chad experiences by trying to cheat your genetic destiny through surgery (not discouraging people from doing it though).

I am an abused dog

 

[user1728482728]

''Chads aren't made, they are born''

Haven't used that saying in a few years now but it is oh-so-true.

NT and looks both matter but looks truly are no.1 when it comes to living a high-quality life. If everyone has always been nice to you, wants to befriend you, validates you etc., you will not turn into some abused dog with mental problems.

Chad got NT because his high-quality genetics paved the way for that. He will never hate the world because the world has always been nice to him. If you grew up as an abused dog of lesser genetic quality, you're still gonna fall way short of what chad experiences by trying to cheat your genetic destiny through surgery (not discouraging people from doing it though).

I just solved all your problems bro

 

[user1728482728]

Muh nofap, muh cold showers and le runs is a waste of time and won’t do anything. The redpill looksmaxxing advice you gave only applies to people with a good base. For a trucel like me it’s futile feel good crap.

What matters is your genetic base. You manage pull girls without having to do anything because your base is good.

Your advice is pointless. If you went from trucel to normal sex life I’d listen to you, but you’re already a sexhaver and your plans haven’t yielded any results. You’re only proving atm that muh improoving is pointless and genetics is what really matters

Well sorry if you’re really that hopeless, I hope you find a good way to cope

 

[Gargantuan]

I just solved all your problems bro

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True.

The West is a sinking ship anyway.

If I were to geomaxx, I'd probably pick LATAM though (or EE but I hate cold weather so that one goes out of the window pretty quickly) as I prefer Latinas over Asians.

 

[user1728482728]

True.

The West is a sinking ship anyway.

If I were to geomaxx, I'd probably pick LATAM though (or EE but I hate cold weather so that one goes out of the window pretty quickly) as I prefer Latinas over Asians.

Latin American honestly isnt that easy, it’s much easier than the west but you won’t be gigachad levels like in Philippines.

You NEED to know Spanish for any chance at finding a good girl. And I’m too lazy to learn. Actualy the best place I tried on tinder passport is Manuas Brazil.

Philippines it’s just all around better, easier, cheaper, safer, and the girls speak English too.

 

[user1728482728]

Chad got NT because his high-quality genetics paved the way for that.

I am extremely non NT but I’ve put myself in enough situations where I am comfortable socializing with people and won’t be seen as weird

Solo travelling is great. First few times I did I made no friends.

But I just recently went on a solo trip to Canada and made a ton of friends staying at a hostel. One dude commented “I’m sure you have a ton of friends back home you’re so much fun” and I made friends with girls from all around the world too.

 

[Gargantuan]

Latin American honestly isnt that easy, it’s much easier than the west but you won’t be gigachad levels like in Philippines.

You NEED to know Spanish for any chance at finding a good girl. And I’m too lazy to learn. Actualy the best place I tried on tinder passport is Manuas Brazil.

Philippines it’s just all around better, easier, cheaper, safer, and the girls speak English too.

Yeah, learning Spanish would be a prerequisite.

I've had hot Latinas simp for me on snapchat but I could hardly communicate with most of them because of their extremely limited proficiency in English.

 

[user1728482728]

Yeah, learning Spanish would be a prerequisite.

I've had hot Latinas simp for me on snapchat but I could hardly communicate with most of them because of their extremely limited proficiency in English.

Well, they all know English in Philippines which is a big bonus

Have you tried putting your passport location there

I met some cute girl from a village and was kinda online dating her for a while but realized she just wanted to find some guy to save her from her shitty life, so we stopped talking.

 

[Gargantuan]

I am extremely non NT but I’ve put myself in enough situations where I am comfortable socializing with people and won’t be seen as weird

Solo travelling is great. First few times I did I made no friends.

But I just recently went on a solo trip to Canada and made a ton of friends staying at a hostel. One dude commented “I’m sure you have a ton of friends back home you’re so much fun” and I made friends with girls from all around the world too.

I can do the bare minimum when it comes to NT behaviour in social settings and not be seen as weird but too much of it definitely drains me, sadly.

Solo travelling is definitely something I should try as well.

Well, they all know English in Philippines which is a big bonus

Have you tried putting your passport location there

I met some cute girl from a village and was kinda online dating her for a while but realized she just wanted to find some guy to save her from her shitty life, so we stopped talking.

I should try that when I'm going to reinstall dating apps, later this year.

 

[user1728482728]

I can do the bare minimum when it comes to NT behaviour in social settings and not be seen as weird but too much of it definitely drains me, sadly.

Solo travelling is definitely something I should try as well.

I should try that when I'm going to reinstall dating apps, later this year.

You’re a europeancel? Stay at hostels cause there’s tons of single carefree people ages 18-40 who just want to have fun and socialize and explore

Super easy to make friends and meet girls, far easier than a club

 

[Deleted member 23218]

I’m not talking about shit like getting a haircut or showering (although that should obviously be done)

I’m talking actual hard self improving

Religious skincare routine and healthy diet with no fast food.

Going to gym for years, being muscular with 12% body fat.

Getting dripped out with a full new wardrobe.

Getting an valuable college degree.

Making 6 figures.

Nofap and norporn.

Waking up at 6 am and going for runs.

Picking up a new hobby where you can meet people (tennis, skateboarding, bowling, DnD, sailing)

I will do all looksmaxxes I can, but I refuse to socialize more, nope I just wont do it, spiking cortisol is a looksmin

 

[user1728482728]

I will do all looksmaxxes I can, but I refuse to socialize more, nope I just wont do it, spiking cortisol is a looksmin

Sounds like you need therapy or medication then

Normal people can socialize without having anxiety attacks

 

[Deleted member 23218]

Sounds like you need therapy or medication then

Normal people can socialize without having anxiety attacks

I dont have anc=xiety attacks, I am just akward and socializing is unf=comfortable and spikes cortisol. Its cope unless looksmaxxed, i will save it for after I am looksmaxxed in a few years

 

[Deleted member 23564]

me

 

[Deleted member 23218]

I could ascend easily if I committed myself to self improvement since I already do okay on tinder despite being out of shape and unkept since the lockdown. I'm already self improving (dickmaxxing and gymaxxing) but I'm in no rush to fuck a girl, maybe my hormones are fucked idk.

Dickmaxxing routine?
I have also swallowed the dickpill

 

[Deleted member 24586]

Dickmaxxing routine?
I have also swallowed the dickpill

You a dicklet? I've ordered an extender for length and will start clamping within the next few days for girth

 

[user1728482728]

I dont have anc=xiety attacks, I am just akward and socializing is unf=comfortable and spikes cortisol. Its cope unless looksmaxxed, i will save it for after I am looksmaxxed in a few years

So you’re going to miss out on years of potentially improving your social skills?

Ugly people can still make friends.

Do you have job? Go work at Walmart. You’ll probably be chad by Walmart standards.

 

[Deleted member 23218]

So you’re going to miss out on years of potentially improving your social skills?

Ugly people can still make friends.

Do you have job? Go work at Walmart. You’ll probably be chad by Walmart standards.

I have lots of friends from high school so not complete loner, college is hard to make friends tho, everyone is so hyper nt, its scary. Im also a normie, but non nt which makes it hard. i just wanna looksmax and mog

You a dicklet? I've ordered an extender for length and will start clamping within the next few days for girth

Not dickelt, but I want to be a dick mogger so I can run bulgegame

 

[user1728482728]

I have lots of friends from high school so not complete loner, college is hard to make friends tho, everyone is so hyper nt, its scary. Im also a normie, but non nt which makes it hard. i just wanna looksmax and mog

Not dickelt, but I want to be a dick mogger so I can run bulgegame

So you don’t have a job!

Get a part time job on campus. Join a club. Make friends to study with in your classes.

It’s so easy.

 

[Deleted member 23218]

So you don’t have a job!

Get a part time job on campus. Join a club. Make friends to study with in your classes.

It’s so easy.

I dont want to its scary. Im gonna gymcell and looksmax and studycel. I have to do some clubs for professional development. Besides that, I will rot until I ascend. I am getting good at souls games they are fun

 

[Fly]

when the coping is too strong

 

[Pakicel]

Man. I need surgeries to exit the truecel zone but even then it is not guaranteed to work.

 

[rand anon]

I guarantee I’m probably more autistic than you. The first 10 or so dates I ever went on, I was so awkward all the girls bailed after like 15 minutes cause I made them so scared with my autism. It really did hurt me. But I never really gave up.

Do you try to put yourself in uncomfortable situations? Try going on a solo trip. Staying at hostels. Going to bars and talking to people. Go on dates.

Gigacope
NT is all genetic

 

[SLA]

My theory is that incels are just narcissists who want to get pussy with no effort.

Unfortunately, this is reality for many men, not just "chads" or whatever. Almost everyone I know with a wife or GF has put in very little to no effort, and it "comes" just by existing. I agree insofar as if you cant get a girl, you have to improve, but wrestling with the fact that most people don't have to try is normal and healthy.

Have I tried? Many times. Stages of gym. Went through a 3 year redpill phase. Been legitimately thin, could do a handstand at one point. I have a STEM degree and make alright money with a home and a decent car. I still do a hobby where I meet people my age.

End of the day, my flaws are deeply skeletal or autism-related and even the most brutal of surgeries won't fix them. I still hope that one day someone here will drop the looksmax I need.

 

[user1728482728]

Unfortunately, this is reality for many men, not just "chads" or whatever. Almost everyone I know with a wife or GF has put in very little to no effort, and it "comes" just by existing. I agree insofar as if you cant get a girl, you have to improve, but wrestling with the fact that most people don't have to try is normal and healthy.

Have I tried? Many times. Stages of gym. Went through a 3 year redpill phase. Been legitimately thin, could do a handstand at one point. I have a STEM degree and make alright money with a home and a decent car. I still do a hobby where I meet people my age.

End of the day, my flaws are deeply skeletal or autism-related and even the most brutal of surgeries won't fix them. I still hope that one day someone here will drop the looksmax I need.

sounds like youre a prime candidate for geomaxxing

go to manila and youll slay insane

 

[Deleted member 21735]

I did that shit and got nothing