How much can a vegetarian diet affect the growth phase?

[vinibr]

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[vampmaxxer]

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a lot, protein is very important for growth

 

[Deleted member 67900]

a lot, protein is very important for growth

would you rather be obese but have high protein intake or skinny but low on protein

remember obesity significantly affects dick/height

 

[Deleted member 72630]

a vegetarian diet growing up is pretty much guaranteed to fuck up your face, height, androgens, etc.

Like unquestionably so.

 

[Braindeadautist]

would you rather be obese but have high protein intake or skinny but low on protein

remember obesity significantly affects dick/height

ok so u need to be fat to have a high protein diet? great advice protein is cope

 

[Deleted member 67900]

ok so u need to be fat to have a high protein diet? great advice protein is cope

no that's not what I said, I gave you two options because I wanted to see whether you'd pick protein deficiency over obesity in terms of growth.

 

[Deleted member 72630]

a vegetarian diet growing up is pretty much guaranteed to fuck up your face, height, androgens, etc.

Like unquestionably so.

It doesn’t even really matter if you get a lot of milk and cheese either. Those will help, but you really do need meat for optimal health and growth

 

[Braindeadautist]

no that's not what I said, I gave you two options because I wanted to see whether you'd pick protein deficiency over obesity in terms of growth.

both is horrible. I would know bc I was obese and now a cutecel with small cock and feminine features. protein I lacked in aswell. both bad no real need to compare.

 

[Braindeadautist]

It doesn’t even really matter if you get a lot of milk and cheese either. Those will help, but you really do need meat for optimal health and growth

for optimal health you should try organs like liver, brain, and heart on top of a lot of muscle meat/dairy

 

[Deleted member 67900]

ok so u need to be fat to have a high protein diet? great advice protein is cope

protein isnt cope it helped me grow taller 100%

 

[Deleted member 72630]

for optimal health you should try organs like liver, brain, and heart

 

[Braindeadautist]

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FUCKING DELICIOUS MAN THIS MAKES ME SMILE ALL GIDDY AND SHIT IM MIRIN THAT SO HARD

 

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FUCKING DELICIOUS MAN THIS MAKES ME SMILE ALL GIDDY AND SHIT IM MIRIN THAT SO HARD

ive been exclusively eating raw meat raw eggs raw dairy for 6 yrs nao

 

[vampmaxxer]

would you rather be obese but have high protein intake or skinny but low on protein

remember obesity significantly affects dick/height

y tf would not being vegetarian make u obese

 

[Deleted member 67900]

y tf would not being vegetarian make u obese

i didnt even read the title gang i wasnt talking about that

but to answer your question, vegetables don't act on our hormones the same way, it's like how a chocolate bar can be equal to a tomatoes in calories but which one is going to make you want to eat more? We control hormones to the point where they control us.

 

[Braindeadautist]

ive been exclusively eating raw meat raw eggs raw dairy for 6 yrs nao

that is absolutely amazing man. I'm glad you woke up from the cucked cooked meat. not worth the nutrient loss and cancer.

 

[Deleted member 72630]

that is absolutely amazing man. I'm glad you woke up from the cucked cooked meat. not worth the nutrient loss and cancer.

my kids will grow up only eating raw food and they will be saved from the fate I had growing up vegetarian

 

[Braindeadautist]

my kids will grow up only eating raw food and they will be saved from the fate I had growing up vegetarian

why did you start eating raw? genuinely curious because most people see it as strange and barbaric.

 

[Deleted member 72630]

why did you start eating raw? genuinely curious because most people see it as strange and barbaric.

early sv3rige videos in like 2017-2018
it also just made more sense to eat meat raw. why eat something if you genuinely believe you need to burn it for it to be edible?

 

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If you want an underdeveloped brain and body go with vegetarian diet. Give a baby a brusselsprout and he will frown give him a piece of bacon and his eyes will light up. Vegeterian/vegan shit is such a psyop.

 

[St.Rotter]

not getting in animal sourced protein while growing is stupid bhai dont do it

 

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If you want an underdeveloped brain and body go with vegetarian diet. Give a baby a brusselsprout and he will frown give him a piece of bacon and his eyes will light up. Vegeterian/vegan shit is such a psyop.

imo meat is really the only food that naturally tastes good without adding stuff like salt and processing
inb4 fruit
most non cultivated fruits taset ike sour dogshit

 

[lestoa]

just eat raw meat tbh

 

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imo meat is really the only food that naturally tastes good without adding stuff like salt and processing
inb4 fruit
most non cultivated fruits taset ike sour dogshit

Vegetables are full of inflammation triggering toxins and carcinogenics that is why they taste bitter. These are used to fight of insects. Our body knows.

 

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It's not about vegetarian vs carnivore vs omnivore, it's about what Macro and Micro-nutrients you are getting.

If you don't plan right, you could be deficient in many things on a carnivore diet, or deficient in many things on a vegetarian diet, or even a whole food omnivore diet.

Vegetables are full of inflammation triggering toxins and carcinogenics that is why they taste bitter. These are used to fight of insects. Our body knows.

As humans our body can adapt to filtering these toxins out.

 

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It's not about vegetarian vs carnivore vs omnivore, it's about what Macro and Micro-nutrients you are getting.

If you don't plan right, you could be deficient in many things on a carnivore diet, or deficient in many things on a vegetarian diet, or even a whole food omnivore diet.


As humans our body can adapt to filtering these toxins out.

Yes but there are also a lot of people that are very sensitive to these toxins and curing mild ailments to significant illnesses on a carnivore diet. For example, all my dandruff is gone on a carnivore diet, no skin issues and my gums are healthier. Al though I don't do carnivore at the moment, but I eat minimal amount of carbs and only from fruit. So about 80% carnivore which is technically still a carnivore diet but not strict.

 

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Yes but there are also a lot of people that are very sensitive to these toxins and curing mild ailments to significant illnesses on a carnivore diet. For example, all my dandruff is gone on a carnivore diet, no skin issues and my gums are healthier. Al though I don't do carnivore at the moment, but I eat minimal amount of carbs and only from fruit. So about 80% carnivore which is technically still a carnivore diet but not strict.

Were you eating any wheat, or wheat based products before you started the carnivore diet?

As far as the toxins in Vegetables, you can't eat too much of certain vegetables all at once, if you haven't built up the tolerance. And even then, there are limits, so you don't want to for example, eat a pound of spinach everyday. Health wise, it's better to diversify anyways.

In general, the more meat you consume the higher your risk of heart disease and early death, as well as dementia. This is true for all kinds of meat, including poultry and fish.

In theory you might be able to prevent the oxidation of cholesterol, which leads to clogged arteries and death, with high enough levels of the right kinds of anti-oxidants, but that's very theoretical.

 

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Meat and other forms of animal products are the only food in the world. Everything else is classified as poison.

 

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Were you eating any wheat, or wheat based products before you started the carnivore diet?

As far as the toxins in Vegetables, you can't eat too much of certain vegetables all at once, if you haven't built up the tolerance. And even then, there are limits, so you don't want to for example, eat a pound of spinach everyday. Health wise, it's better to diversify anyways.

In general, the more meat you consume the higher your risk of heart disease and early death, as well as dementia. This is true for all kinds of meat, including poultry and fish.

In theory you might be able to prevent the oxidation of cholesterol, which leads to clogged arteries and death, with high enough levels of the right kinds of anti-oxidants, but that's very theoretical.

Yes I was eating wheat based products daily.

"In general, the more meat you consume the higher your risk of heart disease and early death, as well as dementia. This is true for all kinds of meat, including poultry and fish."

I am not sure about that there are some doctors that claim the opposite with very good reasoning on youtube. A lot of papers are often misinterpreted or misconstrued by people that are not doctors or scientists.

For example, a lot of studies are correlational and use words such as may e.g. "red meat may cause heart disease" and then some blogger or youtuber says it "it does cause heart disease" and that is how wrong info is spread.

For example, a lot of people that consume red meat also likely consume tabaco, redbuls, alcohol and other impulsive types of consumption.

I was on the carnivore diet for 4 to 5 months and was in ketosis, my brain was using ketones instead of carbs and I have never had such clarity, capacity over language, memory and general cognition before. I really doubt eating meat causes directly dementia. So far my IQ has dropped slightly after introducing carbs.

Overall, I am just going of my own personal experience and gut feeling and do the things I think are right and feel best with some research as well of course.

 

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Yes I was eating wheat based products daily.

Gliadin, a component of wheat shreds your intestinal lining. This causes undigested food particles to leak through into the blood stream, which causes a body wide inflammation response as the immune system reacts to it, which further damages your entire body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6382145/

Wheat and wheat products are one of the least healthy foods.

"In general, the more meat you consume the higher your risk of heart disease and early death, as well as dementia. This is true for all kinds of meat, including poultry and fish."

I am not sure about that there are some doctors that claim the opposite with very good reasoning on youtube. A lot of papers are often misinterpreted or misconstrued by people that are not doctors or scientists.

Ok. So Red meat consumption is associated with increased risk of mortality, regardless of dietary and lifestyle interventions. However if you replace red meat with poultry (Chicken) you reduce your risk. (Ignore what I said earlier, I read it in a book "How not to die" by a Doctor, but It was probably a Chinese study and I'm not Chinese).

Red meat consumption and all-cause and cardiovascular mortality: results from the UK Biobank study - PubMed

Our results indicated that red meat consumption was associated with higher risks of CVD, CHD, and stroke mortality, and the associations were not modified by lifestyle and genetic risk factors. Replacing red meat by poultry or cereal was related to lower risks of CVD and CHD mortality.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's correlation, but there's also been intervention studies. Below covers two intervention studies with a control group, showing a plant based diet with plant fats, and a plant based diet with nuts can reverse coronary heart disease.

Diets with customary levels of fat from plant origin may reverse coronary artery disease - PubMed

The primary cause of death worldwide is heart disease and the most common type of heart disease is coronary artery disease. While coronary artery disease is treated with medications, it responds to lifestyle interventions. A low-fat plant-based diet was designed for reversing coronary artery...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It takes three or more decades for arterial plaque to build up in your arteries before it kills you. (50% of people's first sign of arterial plaque is a heart attack that kills them on the first heart attack). So it's not something you can feel from switching diets, but something you should be aware of.

For example, a lot of studies are correlational and use words such as may e.g. "red meat may cause heart disease" and then some blogger or youtuber says it "it does cause heart disease" and that is how wrong info is spread.

For example, a lot of people that consume red meat also likely consume tabaco, redbuls, alcohol and other impulsive types of consumption.

I was on the carnivore diet for 4 to 5 months and was in ketosis, my brain was using ketones instead of carbs and I have never had such clarity, capacity over language, memory and general cognition before. I really doubt eating meat causes directly dementia. So far my IQ has dropped slightly after introducing carbs.

It's because you were consuming gliadin, which causes body wide inflammation including in the brain. And probably a lot of other substances that are put in wheat based products like vegetable oils that most likely lead to negative health outcomes.

Overall, I am just going of my own personal experience and gut feeling and do the things I think are right and feel best with some research as well of course.

This is the ideal strategy. All I'm saying is it's worth looking more fine grained at things.

Like which meats are you eating, and what are the anti-oxidant, processing, AGEs, and other nutrient levels of those meats.

And still looking at other foods like Broccoli, Spinach, Kale, Cucumber, Carrots, Blue Berries, Black Berries, Strawberries, Mushrooms, Eggs. There's lots of good foods.

Extreme diets, eliminating entire food groups rise to the top of youtube, even promoted by different doctors, because they get the most clicks, and are the most tribalistic (which appeals to our human nature). Carnivor videos get about 10x the views as Vegetarian Videos, and Vegetarian videos probably get more clicks than Omnivore videos, because vegetarianism is more tribalistic.

I'm a Omnivor, all on my lonesome. lol

 

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Gliadin, a component of wheat shreds your intestinal lining. This causes undigested food particles to leak through into the blood stream, which causes a body wide inflammation response as the immune system reacts to it, which further damages your entire body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6382145/

Wheat and wheat products are one of the least healthy foods.

Ok. So Red meat consumption is associated with increased risk of mortality, regardless of dietary and lifestyle interventions. However if you replace red meat with poultry (Chicken) you reduce your risk. (Ignore what I said earlier, I read it in a book "How not to die" by a Doctor, but It was probably a Chinese study and I'm not Chinese).

Red meat consumption and all-cause and cardiovascular mortality: results from the UK Biobank study - PubMed

Our results indicated that red meat consumption was associated with higher risks of CVD, CHD, and stroke mortality, and the associations were not modified by lifestyle and genetic risk factors. Replacing red meat by poultry or cereal was related to lower risks of CVD and CHD mortality.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's correlation, but there's also been intervention studies. Below covers two intervention studies with a control group, showing a plant based diet with plant fats, and a plant based diet with nuts can reverse coronary heart disease.

Diets with customary levels of fat from plant origin may reverse coronary artery disease - PubMed

The primary cause of death worldwide is heart disease and the most common type of heart disease is coronary artery disease. While coronary artery disease is treated with medications, it responds to lifestyle interventions. A low-fat plant-based diet was designed for reversing coronary artery...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It takes three or more decades for arterial plaque to build up in your arteries before it kills you. (50% of people's first sign of arterial plaque is a heart attack that kills them on the first heart attack). So it's not something you can feel from switching diets, but something you should be aware of.


It's because you were consuming gliadin, which causes body wide inflammation including in the brain. And probably a lot of other substances that are put in wheat based products like vegetable oils that most likely lead to negative health outcomes.


This is the ideal strategy. All I'm saying is it's worth looking more fine grained at things.

Like which meats are you eating, and what are the anti-oxidant, processing, AGEs, and other nutrient levels of those meats.

And still looking at other foods like Broccoli, Spinach, Kale, Cucumber, Carrots, Blue Berries, Black Berries, Strawberries, Mushrooms, Eggs. There's lots of good foods.

Extreme diets, eliminating entire food groups rise to the top of youtube, even promoted by different doctors, because they get the most clicks, and are the most tribalistic (which appeals to our human nature). Carnivor videos get about 10x the views as Vegetarian Videos, and Vegetarian videos probably get more clicks than Omnivore videos, because vegetarianism is more tribalistic.

I'm a Omnivor, all on my lonesome. lol

Not going to lie man. I am eating a lot of red meat, basically cattle. But how can that be so bad for us since we have been farming cattle for so long as a human species. It just doesn't make sense and seems like a natural source of food for us humans. Allot of farm animals have red meat that we have domesticated.

I also eat berries and carrots as well and eggs, cheese, as long as it as animal product.

The carnivore diet was good to reset my taste buds and build on top of it with variety of carbs.

 

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Not going to lie man. I am eating a lot of red meat, basically cattle. But how can that be so bad for us since we have been farming cattle for so long as a human species. It just doesn't make sense and seems like a natural source of food for us humans. Allot of farm animals have red meat that we have domesticated.

Humans have been smoking tabacco for two thousand years.

Just because humans have been doing it for a long time, doesn't make it optimally healthy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7402184/

According to the above meta-analysis, meat has Iron, which is pro-oxidative, which can lead to plaque. But it depends on how much meat, what kind of meat, age of the animals, what else you're eating, and so on.

Eating less meat and more vegetables-fruits is an easy rule to avoid these risks, while waiting for the science to get better.

I also eat berries and carrots as well and eggs, cheese, as long as it as animal product.

You'll probably be fine.

I eat a solid amount of meat. I eat vegetables to counter act plaque build up, and sometimes eat nuts and vegetable fats to counter act some of the plaque build up, as well as fasting, and berberine supplementation both of which can reverse some arterial plaque.

The carnivore diet was good to reset my taste buds and build on top of it with variety of carbs.

You sound like you're eating healthier than the majority of people, which translates to better looks, so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

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Hmmmm

What are your thoughts on detoxing? Those dudes that consume a certain concoction to remove plaque? I mean like heavy detoxing not some fruit/green juice. They put all kinds of stuff up their rectum and they shit out plaque. Could this be a good solution to counter red meat?

 

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Hmmmm

What are your thoughts on detoxing? Those dudes that consume a certain concoction to remove plaque? I mean like heavy detoxing not some fruit/green juice. They put all kinds of stuff up their rectum and they shit out plaque. Could this be a good solution to counter red meat?

I don't know enough about the science of these detoxes to comment.

The closest I do this is periods of fasting, which give the body time to clean up plaque, as well as old cells, and other problems. Plus it raises HGH and Testosterone, and I have to Cut to a lower bodyfat anyways. I found if I continue my normal gym routine and lift heavy during my fasts, I retain the most amount of muscle mass.

Anecdotally, WWII holocaust survivors had zero plaque in their vessels after the war, because they were on an extremely low calorie diet, but that's pretty much impossible to maintain through will power alone. After the War, they began to accrue plaque again normally, but lived much longer than the average population.

Mice who do alternate day fasting live longer than mice who eat everyday, even when consuming the exact same amount of calories, so it's more about freeing up organs to switch to repair. One mouse day is equivalent to about two weeks for a human.

 

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I don't know enough about the science of these detoxes to comment.

The closest I do this is periods of fasting, which give the body time to clean up plaque, as well as old cells, and other problems. Plus it raises HGH and Testosterone, and I have to Cut to a lower bodyfat anyways. I found if I continue my normal gym routine and lift heavy during my fasts, I retain the most amount of muscle mass.

Anecdotally, WWII holocaust survivors had zero plaque in their vessels after the way, because they were on an extremely low calorie diet, but that's pretty much impossible to maintain through will power alone. After the War, they began to accrue plaque again normally, but lived much longer than the average population.

Mice who do alternate day fasting live longer than mice who eat everyday, even when consuming the exact same amount of calories, so it's more about freeing up organs to switch to repair. One mouse day is equivalent to about two weeks for a human.

Very interesting.

I still need to do a dry fast, been on my list for a while now.

Anyway, thanks for the info dude it is much appreciated.

 

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Very interesting.

I still need to do a dry fast, been on my list for a while now.

From what I know, dry fast can accelerate fat loss because your body burns fat for the water in it, so you don't die.

But I consider the risk of death too high, so I don't do it. I always drink water.

If you do a water fast, you'll loose about 1lb a day on average.

Anyway, thanks for the info dude it is much appreciated.

You're welcome!