How much can finasteride help me?

[Deleted member 1560]

ignore my naturally big forehead, as you can see my hair density and thickness is great but my temples look like they recorded a bit. I tried looking at my younger pics and my hairline looks that way in those, so I can’t really tell if it’s my natural hairline or I receeded since I was young. If I started using fin now, how much would it help my temples considering I am not worried about hair density .

 

[Deleted member 13367]

Arent you asian?
Also fin usually doesnt promote hair growth.
If you want to regrow your temples you are going to need minoxidil

 

[homo_faber]

check your family history

 

[Deleted member 275]

fin doesn't recover lost hair. At best it can save hair that is already miniaturized

its for prevention of further hairloss

 

[TimeToChange]

Arent you asian?
Also fin usually doesnt promote hair growth.
If you want to regrow your temples you are going to need minoxidil

that's the opposite

 

[Deleted member 1560]

Arent you asian?
Also fin usually doesnt promote hair growth.
If you want to regrow your temples you are going to need minoxidil

Yes I am but Asians also suffer from hair loss

 

[Deleted member 1560]

check your family history

My dads father is bald but my moms father is perfect NW0 till he died, my dad isn’t bald but he is NW 3 and my brother is NW 2 And he is 26 rn

 

[Artemide]

zero

 

[Deleted member 1560]

zero

Reported for shitposting

 

[Deleted member 1560]

fin doesn't recover lost hair. At best it can save hair that is already miniaturized

its for prevention of further hairloss

What can I do to treat temple hairloss then?

 

[Deleted member 275]

What can I do to treat temple hairloss then?

hair transplant

 

[randomvanish]

fin doesn't recover lost hair. At best it can save hair that is already miniaturized

its for prevention of further hairloss

pfff this bullshit again. there are tons of b/a pics showing new hair growth even on the old males.

 

[Artemide]

Reported for shitposting

why? zero because finasteride will not grow your temples you need minoxidil as other said

 

[Deleted member 1560]

hair transplant

If I could do that then I wouldn’t be asking for fin here tbh

 

[Deleted member 1560]

why? zero because finasteride will not grow your temples you need minoxidil as other said

Ok gotcha

 

[Deleted member 275]

If I could do that then I wouldn’t be asking for fin here tbh

I am just telling you what to do to get more hair in your temples tbh. Fin is to prevent it from going worse mostly. Minox will have subpar results at best compared to a hair transplant.

HT is what you want

 

[CursedOne]

if you have thick hair like my you are a very good candidate for ht. a ht on you will make you look like you never had hairloss to begin with

 

[Artemide]

pfff this bullshit again. there are tons of b/a pics showing new hair growth even on the old males.

yes it works wonder at the crown but you are delusional if you think that only finasteride can regrow the hairline. at most it will grow some vellus that will never become terminal tbh

 

[Deleted member 1560]

if you have thick hair like my you are a very good candidate for ht. a ht on you will make you look like you never had hairloss to begin with

I am 19 right now, still live with my parents and I have a social circle. I can’t reckon to go to my friends bald with a freshly transplanted hair and my friends ask me why my hair looks funny

 

[CursedOne]

I am 19 right now, still live with my parents and I have a social circle. I can’t reckon to go to my friends bald with a freshly transplanted hair and my friends ask me why my hair looks funny

Dude, who the fuck cares? Ascension or death

 

[randomvanish]

yes it works wonder at the crown but you are delusional if you think that only finasteride can regrow the hairline. at most it will grow some vellus that will never become terminal tbh

hairline yeah, it's problematic.

 

[Deleted member 275]

I am 19 right now, still live with my parents and I have a social circle. I can’t reckon to go to my friends bald with a freshly transplanted hair and my friends ask me why my hair looks funny

you wear hats/caps. I am in my mid20s and lots of guys are hiding their receeding hairlines with caps to look more young lol. can do the same to hide HT

 

[Deleted member 1560]

yes it works wonder at the crown but you are delusional if you think that only finasteride can regrow the hairline. at most it will grow some vellus that will never become terminal tbh

What if I never had hair in my temples in the first place?

 

[Seth Walsh]

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

 

[Deleted member 1476]

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

you are high iq, is fin good?

edit: clicked your link

 

[Deleted member 1560]

you are high iq, is fin good?

edit: clicked your link

If you get side effects then no, if you don’t get side effects then yes

 

[Artemide]

What if I never had hair in my temples in the first place?

i have the same situation in the sense that i was born with a high hairline. So after comparing different techniques to solve the problem, as hairline lowering, i decided i'll do ht. I am on medications (finasteride 6 days week,duta 1 day) as a preventive measure since in any case after a ht the doctor want you to use them to prevent a ridicolous look in case you will lose the hairs behind the transplanted ones

 

[Deleted member 1560]

i have the same situation in the sense that i was born with a high hairline. So after comparing different techniques to solve the problem, as hairline lowering, i decided i'll do ht. I am on medications (finasteride 6 days week,duta 1 day) as a preventive measure since in any case after a ht the doctor want you to use them to prevent a ridicolous look in case you will lose the hairs behind the transplanted ones

What’s your age?

 

[Seth Walsh]

you are high iq, is fin good?

edit: clicked your link

No I’m anti-fin now after years of looking into it.

DHT is way way more important than I had once thought and it has been shown in many cases that very low DHT levels caused by the 5ar inhibition from fin causes irreversible depression and penile shrinkage in some men.

Check out studies about natural DHT/T ratios. Asian men have the lowest ratio, and they usually appear to be the least masculine.

In contrast, African American men have the highest natural DHT levels out of any race of men.

Male Pattern Balding is a genetic disorder and I made a thread 2 years ago explaining and illustrating the whys and hows (Wnt pathway).

Lowering DHT just lowers the amount of hair you lose in the catagen and telogen phases of the hair cycle. Fin does nothing to increase anagen (growth phase) activity or even extend the anagen phase.

Rate of hair loss is simply due to the imbalance of activity overtime between anagen <-> catagen/telogen phases.

If your Wnt target genes are being accessed, then your anagen phase should be fine, you won’t Norwood even if you’ve high/normal natural DHT levels.

Notice how people who aren’t prone to MPB grow their hair back even after blasting a DHT heavy cycle (WITHOUT USING FIN/DUT)?

It’s because they only temporarily increased activity in the destructive phase of their hair cycle (due to the increased DHT). But their anagen phase remained normal as it should.

As a child you may have MPB (inactivity in the anagen phase). Your hair will grow slow, but not start to fall out because 10 year olds don’t have DHT levels like a 20 year old has.

Some times you see absolute soy boys Norwooding at 20…. Not because of sky high DHT, but because their anagen activity over time is less than the destruction in the latter 2 phases due to the lack of targeting of movo1 and KRT81 through the Wnt/Beta Catenin signalling pathway, which is required to sustain an anagen phase that will prevent you from inevitably norwooding.

 

[Deleted member 13367]

No I’m anti-fin now after years of looking into it.

DHT is way way more important than I had once thought and it has been shown in many cases that very low DHT levels caused by the 5ar inhibition from fin causes irreversible depression and penile shrinkage in some men.

Check out studies about natural DHT/T ratios. Asian men have the lowest ratio, and they usually appear to be the least masculine.

In contrast, African American men have the highest natural DHT levels out of any race of men.

Male Pattern Balding is a genetic disorder and I made a thread 2 years ago explaining and illustrating the whys and hows (Wnt pathway).

Lowering DHT just lowers the amount of hair you lose in the catagen and telogen phases of the hair cycle. Fin does nothing to increase anagen (growth phase) activity or even extend the anagen phase.

Rate of hair loss is simply due to the imbalance of activity overtime between anagen <-> catagen/telogen phases.

If your Wnt target genes are being accessed, then your anagen phase should be fine, you won’t Norwood even if you’ve high/normal natural DHT levels.

Notice how people who aren’t prone to MPB grow their hair back even after blasting a DHT heavy cycle (WITHOUT USING FIN/DUT)?

It’s because they only temporarily increased activity in the destructive phase of their hair cycle (due to the increased DHT). But their anagen phase remained normal as it should.

As a child you may have MPB (inactivity in the anagen phase). Your hair will grow slow, but not start to fall out because 10 year olds don’t have DHT levels like a 20 year old has.

Some times you see absolute soy boys Norwooding at 20…. Not because of sky high DHT, but because their anagen activity over time is less than the destruction in the latter 2 phases due to the lack of targeting of movo1 and KRT81 through the Wnt/Beta Catenin signalling pathway, which is required to sustain an anagen phase that will prevent you from inevitably norwooding.

Have you tried taking fin yourself?

 

[Seth Walsh]

Also OP you’re just catastrophising. Your density is fine and that’s just your natural hairline

 

[Seth Walsh]

Have you tried taking fin yourself?

No never needed to I’m nw0

 

[Artemide]

What’s your age?

almost 24. I'll do the transplant shortly. But i started using fina two years ago in order to maximize the result in view of the imminent ht, since in any case you have to take fina after ht. Returning to the main topic in my experience two years ago i had a very slight recession in my temples. fina stopped further hairloss but it only made vellus grow in the temples. if i had used minoxidil my hairs would be perfect now, but is it worth it? it is always better to use as few drugs as possible. So the fact that i was pro active with fina toghether with the ht, will assure a good result in the end

 

[Seth Walsh]

Also if people wanna try regrow at the temples why use Fin? Microneedle with GHK-cu… it’s literally better than anything else at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 1560]

Also OP you’re just catastrophising. Your density is fine and that’s just your natural hairline

I don’t think so man, my dad is NW3 and my brother is NW 1.5-2 and there’s a good chance that I may also go bald

 

[Seth Walsh]

I don’t think so man, my dad is NW3 and my brother is NW 1.5-2 and there’s a good chance that I may also go bald

Yeah because of genetics. Fin won’t do anything except crush your DHT even lower….

Good idea would be to get your bloods tested to see if your DHT is high….

If it’s normal or low you don’t want to crush it even more. Especially since it’s heavily implied that you’re genetically prone due to your family.

 

[Seth Walsh]

I don’t think so man, my dad is NW3 and my brother is NW 1.5-2 and there’s a good chance that I may also go bald

How male pattern balding actually works

So if your body doesn't agonise the "Frizzled" receptor with Wnt, you have male pattern balding. Don't try agonise Frizzled with something like CAS 853220-52-7. The Wnt pathway is heavily involved in the modulation of cancer cells too. The geniuses at samumed were able to isolate a molecule to...

looksmax.org

 

[Seth Walsh]

I don’t think so man, my dad is NW3 and my brother is NW 1.5-2 and there’s a good chance that I may also go bald

If I were you I’d seriously try get my hands on Dalorsirvat/SM04554 as soon as it becomes available.

 

[Deleted member 13367]

If I were you I’d seriously try get my hands on Dalorsirvat/SM04554 as soon as it becomes available.

What is its mechanism of action?
Also you seem to be pretty knowledgeable in regards to hair loss treatments.
Are there any other upcoming ones in the near future?

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Finstretide can slow down the recession yes

 

[Seth Walsh]

What is its mechanism of action?
Also you seem to be pretty knowledgeable in regards to hair loss treatments.
Are there any other upcoming ones in the near future?

It activates the Wnt pathway by agonising the frizzled receptor with a molecule that mimics the Wnt exosome which naturally agonises that receptor.

And no I’ve seen nothing like SM04554. I really believe it’ll change everything. It’s finished phase3 clinical trials and has been put through testing since Oct 2013. Planned to release in Turkey in 2022.

Other than that I believe microneedling with GHK-cu would give the best growth effects. Maybe using as small bit of tretinoin with it (I believe that’s what MPMD does, to alter some enzymatic reaction or increase a level of an enzyme important for hair growth). I don’t know much about hair loss since it doesn’t directly concern me but I’m sure microneedling+GHK-cu beats microneedling+minoxidil….

This might be slightly outdated but shows some of the other hair loss “cures” in the works.

Nothing is comparable to SM04554 atm. And their company is in the top 5 highest private equity companies in the world right now so a lot of money is involved.

 

[Seth Walsh]

What is its mechanism of action?
Also you seem to be pretty knowledgeable in regards to hair loss treatments.
Are there any other upcoming ones in the near future?

The thread I linked a few posts up shows the entire MOA (on a graph). Check it out

 

[Deleted member 13367]

The thread I linked a few posts up shows the entire MOA (on a graph). Check it out

Thank you, seems like really informative stuff.
Its kinda late here rn so I probably wont go through all of it today but I might msg you tomorrow if you dont mind
Also, has this stuff been posted on forums like r/tressless and hairlosstalk.com?
Im pretty sure that a lot of people there are also looking for new solutions.

Also, what are your thoughts on this?

iDelivery nanovehicle- insanely good vehicle for hair loss drugs

We all dream of a new revolutionizing active ingredient, a new drug that could treat our hair loss with no side effects. Especially sexual side effects. Well sometimes we have to look at a problem from another perspective to find new solutions. We have very effective drugs like Finasteride and...

www.hairlosstalk.com

Supposedly, this delivery vehicle should be able to maximize follicle absorption and prevent the pharmaceutical itself (fin, dut) from going systemic. Could be quite big if true

Cheers

 

[Incoming]

No I’m anti-fin now after years of looking into it.

DHT is way way more important than I had once thought and it has been shown in many cases that very low DHT levels caused by the 5ar inhibition from fin causes irreversible depression and penile shrinkage in some men.

Check out studies about natural DHT/T ratios. Asian men have the lowest ratio, and they usually appear to be the least masculine.

In contrast, African American men have the highest natural DHT levels out of any race of men.

Male Pattern Balding is a genetic disorder and I made a thread 2 years ago explaining and illustrating the whys and hows (Wnt pathway).

Lowering DHT just lowers the amount of hair you lose in the catagen and telogen phases of the hair cycle. Fin does nothing to increase anagen (growth phase) activity or even extend the anagen phase.

Rate of hair loss is simply due to the imbalance of activity overtime between anagen <-> catagen/telogen phases.

If your Wnt target genes are being accessed, then your anagen phase should be fine, you won’t Norwood even if you’ve high/normal natural DHT levels.

Notice how people who aren’t prone to MPB grow their hair back even after blasting a DHT heavy cycle (WITHOUT USING FIN/DUT)?

It’s because they only temporarily increased activity in the destructive phase of their hair cycle (due to the increased DHT). But their anagen phase remained normal as it should.

As a child you may have MPB (inactivity in the anagen phase). Your hair will grow slow, but not start to fall out because 10 year olds don’t have DHT levels like a 20 year old has.

Some times you see absolute soy boys Norwooding at 20…. Not because of sky high DHT, but because their anagen activity over time is less than the destruction in the latter 2 phases due to the lack of targeting of movo1 and KRT81 through the Wnt/Beta Catenin signalling pathway, which is required to sustain an anagen phase that will prevent you from inevitably norwooding.

how does one regain size they lost on finasteride