how much of a bonus does a good body give?

[Virgin at 29 😔]

like if u r a 5-6/10 and you roid to get a top physique, could you be a 7/10? or does it not work like that?

@forevergymcelling

 

[thereallegend]

ike if u r a 5-6/10 and you roid to get a top physique, could you be a 7/10

No it doesn't work like that

 

[Virgin at 29 😔]

No it doesn't work like that

elab pls

 

[Deleted member 19499]

I'd say average natty gymcel could gain up to half a point to maybe a full blown point if superior genetics.

Roids definitely give you at a bear minimum one full pt of bonus.

 

[thereallegend]

elab pls

Women care about swimmer's build only

Face height race matter way more than looking like a refrigerator.

 

[JimmyDreamsOfZygos]

Extremely diminishing returns. All the benefits are more so from not being skinny than the muscles being big. You’ll get 90% of the benefit from just having abs and good bones. I’m a complete skeleton but I train abs and I’ve had girls say I’m “ripped” before.

 

[Growth Plate]

Women care about swimmer's build only

Face height race matter way more than looking like a refrigerator.

Average normie is a skinnyfat framecel with androgen insensitvity, bad insertions, a narrow ribcage, etc.

 

[SLA]

0.25-.5 points for white guys, .5-1 point for colored men. It's usually not worth going past the pareto prime effort (meaning, do the easy 20% for 80%, get vaguely lean for example). It never hurts, but don't expect miracles.

 

[thereallegend]

Average normie is a skinnyfat framecel with androgen insensitvity, bad insertions, a narrow ribcage, etc.

Those men are all sub 5 in the eyes of prime college age women.

Lean athletic swimmers build is a requirement to "average" to prime women

 

[micropenis29]

in my limited experience it makes quite a difference

i never used steroids, but i lifted very steadily for a few months and put on a lot of weight (25 pounds in total)

the normies--even family members and long-time friends--treated me like i was a different person and respected me a lot more

i estimate i went from a 2/10 to a 4/10, and was still making rapid progress

i stopped for a few reasons:

-lack of passion
-chad's already jacked without any exercise
-i realized i didn't want normies' respect

 

[Deleted member 19191]

Frame is key if you have a good frame a little muscle is all you need

 

[Deleted member 19294]

Makes a big difference if your face and frame is normie-tier+

I've been hitting the gym for about 3 months 7 days/week and have noticed more women checking me out