How much of a cope is "the wall" for women?

[AlexAP]

I'm not talking about women in her 30s still having a higher SMV than men, because that is already known in this forum (most men don't age like wine, they descend hard). I'm talking about women in her 30s still attracting Chads and don't lowering their standards. Do you think this is true? Or are Redpillers right and women hit the wall at around 30 and start to give men a chance they wouldn't have looked twice in her 20s?

Here are some things that make me doubt the theory of the wall.

First, I already made a little experiment a few days ago and most users could not see the difference between a woman in her early 20s and a woman in her early 30s:

Can you see the wall?

Which of these four women are in her early 20s and which in her early 30s? 1) 2) 3) 4)

looksmax.org

Now, this was a small example and I used German models and TV stars. But there is more data with average-looking women.

The dating webiste OKCupid has shown that when men rate the profile of women, most men, no matter how old they are themselves, rate women in her 20s the highest. Here you can see how the average ratings for women decline from 20 to 30 and later on:

It looks like at age 20, the average rating for women is in the 70th percentile (I would guess it means somehow „a 7/10“) and at 30, the average rating for women is in the 60th percentile („6/10“). This is a significant drop.

But now look at this graph. It shows how women are rated if we took away the 10% best rated women and the 10% worst rated women:

No difference for women in their 20s and women in their 30s (a slightly lower overall rating though).

What does this show? The wall does exist to some extent. The average rating for women falls from 7/10 to 6/10. Many women will hit the wall, they will get fat or lose their youthful look after all the drinking and smoking.

However, the vast majority of women (80%) will have exact the same rating with 32 than with 22. There is no "wall" for them. Of course it is deceiving to don’t include the highest and worst rated women. But the brutal reality is: The 10% best rated women (Stacys) are forever out of reach for most men and the 10% worst rated women are not interesting for most men.

If it's true that 80% of women don't lose any attractiveness level in the 1-10 scale from 22 to 32, this would mean:
- They can still get a Chad for ONS. A 22 year-old Becky or a 32 year-old Becky, doesn't matter.
- Women with 32 will have the same standards for men as women with 22, because they can.
- In short, nothing really changes for Normies in the dating market.

Of course, you can say that it was only the data from OKCupid. This is a good point. Therefore, I don't think this data is a final proof that the wall is cope (for most women). But it's one argument against the wall.

Here are four pictures of Beckys from OKCupid who were all rated the same. Can you guess which were in her mid-twenties and which in her mid-thirsties?

If the wall is easy to spot, you should guess right.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

1st is twenties, can’t really see 2nd

3rd and 4th are in thirties

tbh most people don’t take care of themselves, girls who do can look good in 30s too

 

[CFW432]

I'm not talking about women in her 30s still having a higher SMV than men, because that is already known in this forum (most men don't age like wine, they descend hard). I'm talking about women in her 30s still attracting Chads and don't lowering their standards. Do you think this is true? Or are Redpillers right and women hit the wall at around 30 and start to give men a chance they wouldn't have looked twice in her 20s?

Here are some things that make me doubt the theory of the wall.

First, I already made a little experiment a few days ago and most users could not see the difference between a woman in her early 20s and a woman in her early 30s:

Can you see the wall?

Which of these four women are in her early 20s and which in her early 30s? 1) 2) 3) 4)

looksmax.org

Now, this was a small example and I used German models and TV stars. But there is more data with average-looking women.

The dating webiste OKCupid has shown that when men rate the profile of women, most men, no matter how old they are themselves, rate women in her 20s the highest. Here you can see how the average ratings for women decline from 20 to 30 and later on:

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It looks like at age 20, the average rating for women is in the 70th percentile (I would guess it means somehow „a 7/10“) and at 30, the average rating for women is in the 60th percentile („6/10“). This is a significant drop.

But now look at this graph. It shows how women are rated if we took away the 10% best rated women and the 10% worst rated women:

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No difference for women in their 20s and women in their 30s (a slightly lower overall rating though).

What does this show? The wall does exist to some extent. The average rating for women falls from 7/10 to 6/10. Many women will hit the wall, they will get fat or lose their youthful look after all the drinking and smoking.

However, the vast majority of women (80%) will have exact the same rating with 32 than with 22. There is no "wall" for them. Of course it is deceiving to don’t include the highest and worst rated women. But the brutal reality is: The 10% best rated women (Stacys) are forever out of reach for most men and the 10% worst rated women are not interesting for most men.

If it's true that 80% of women don't lose any attractiveness level in the 1-10 scale from 22 to 32, this would mean:
- They can still get a Chad for ONS. A 22 year-old Becky or a 32 year-old Becky, doesn't matter.
- Women with 32 will have the same standards for men as women with 22, because they can.
- In short, nothing really changes for Normies in the dating market.

Of course, you can say that it was only the data from OKCupid. This is a good point. Therefore, I don't think this data is a final proof that the wall is cope (for most women). But it's one argument against the wall.

Here are four pictures of Beckys from OKCupid who were all rated the same. Can you guess which were in her mid-twenties and which in her mid-thirsties?

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If the wall is easy to spot, you should guess right.

They all kinda look like they are in their 30s, they are just fakeup frauding hard af

 

[Deleted member 13197]

the wall is just a coping mechanism for guys, a woman who takes care of her appearence will hit the wall at 50

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Thete is obviously a point for women where they really begin to lose their looks at an accelerated rate, usually around middle age when they go through menopause, that is not the same for men. Men lose their looks much more gradually and the appearance of youth is not so singularly important so they can retain their appeal for longer. I can easily name 30 male celebrities who are 50 years old that are still huge sex symbols, but I would have trouble naming more than a few 50 year old women who are still attractive.

 

[AlexAP]

1st is twenties

3rd and 4th are in thirties

Spoiler: Spoiler

You guessed 1 from 3 correct.

 

[AlexAP]

They all kinda look like they are in their 30s, they are just fakeup frauding hard af

All women fraud at any age.

 

[Gestapo]

The wall is real. But desperate beta men make it so that even women who are 2 seconds from being 6ft under feel like Victoria secret angels

 

[AlexAP]

I can easily name 30 male celebrities who are 50 years old that are still huge sex symbols, but I would have trouble naming more than a few 50 year old women who are still attractive.

I disagree. All male celebrities who are 50+ are past their prime and don't have an appeal for women in her 20s and probably even 30s (looks-wise, their status changes everything).

The only male celebrities who I can think of were 50+ and still had an appeal (looks-wise) for women in her 20s were John Stamos and Tyson Beckford. For women, there is Jennifer Lopez and Liz Hurley.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

the wall is a myth for women with a healthy lifestyle and good genes overall

 

[Be_ConfidentBro]

It's hard to say in pictures because women are master frauders. Makeup + picture fraud = impossible to tell. IRL however is an entirely different story. I can tell a 20 year old woman from a 30 year old woman every single time irl.

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

I disagree. All male celebrities who are 50+ are past their prime and don't have an appeal for women in her 20s and probably even 30s (looks-wise, their status changes everything).

The only male celebrities who I can think of were 50+ and still had an appeal (looks-wise) for women in her 20s were John Stamos and Tyson Beckford. For women, there is Jennifer Lopez and Liz Hurley.

Without even looking up names I can think of brad pitt, george clooney, tom cruise, harrison ford although hes way over 50 now, leonardo dicaprio, christian bale. Brad pitt gets as much female attention now as when he was 25 or 30. But female actresses like sharon stone or liz hurley are nowhere near their appeal 20 or 30 years ago. When I saw once upon a time in hollywood in the theater I saw several groups of college aged females talking about how hot brad pitt was on my way out.

 

[AlexAP]

It's hard to say in pictures because women are master frauders.

 

[Be_ConfidentBro]

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Never said Men can't fraud as well but Women fraud way more and way better

 

[AlexAP]

Without even looking up names I can think of brad pitt, george clooney, tom cruise, harrison ford although hes way over 50 now, leonardo dicaprio, christian bale. Brad pitt gets as much female attention now as when he was 25 or 30. But female actresses like sharon stone or liz hurley are nowhere near their appeal 20 or 30 years ago. When I saw once upon a time in hollywood in the theater I saw several groups of college aged females talking about how hot brad pitt was on my way out.

Leonardo DiCaprio is clearly out of his prime.

Pitt, Clooney, Cruise and Ford looked good for their age, but they didn't have appeal for women in her 20s when they were 50+. They had Giga-status, but they weren't really appealing looks-wise. Maybe Tom Cruise, but not the others.

 

[gamma]

The wall doesn't exist, it's a redpill cope

Also women age better than men (on average)

 

[AlexAP]

The wall doesn't exist, it's a redpill cope

Also women age better than men (on average)

I think I agree with you. The Redpillers are delusional.

It's true that some men get better looking, but 80-90% are fat with 35.

 

[AlexAP]

Here are four pictures of Beckys from OKCupid who were all rated the same. Can you guess which were in her mid-twenties and which in her mid-thirsties?

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If the wall is easy to spot, you should guess right.

Here is the solution btw:

The first woman is in her mid-thirsties
The second woman is in her mid-twenties
The third woman is in her mid-thirsties
The fourth woman is in her mid-twenties

 

[quakociaptockh]

1. Woman of almost any age can find sex easily for free. On that basis some retards claim that the wall does not exist. In fact, sex for women is of much less importance than for men and also less pleasurable. What happens after 30 is that a women has much smaller chance for a relationship, especially with the guys who want children.

2. Women are born stacies and some believe it will go forever. After 30 they need to try hard to remain noticeable, what was for free before the cutoff date. In that regards, their life starts to resemble men's. If you don't perform, you don't exist. For some of them it is a huge punch right in the ego, like a princess who lost the throne and has to work.

3. The ugly foids who fail to survive the wall become invisible. So much invisible, that even incels deny their existence. This is the reason many incels claim that the wall does not happen, they simply don't register the foids who crashed on it. This must be the saddest form of existence, to be ignored even by incels, but life is brütal and does not care about failed genetic material.

 

[Yliaster]

The Wall is cope ,in soo far as women past a certain age,aren't able to attract the specific high value guys that they could
when they were younger.That's it.

 

[.👽.]

I'm not talking about women in her 30s still having a higher SMV than men, because that is already known in this forum (most men don't age like wine, they descend hard). I'm talking about women in her 30s still attracting Chads and don't lowering their standards. Do you think this is true? Or are Redpillers right and women hit the wall at around 30 and start to give men a chance they wouldn't have looked twice in her 20s?

Here are some things that make me doubt the theory of the wall.

First, I already made a little experiment a few days ago and most users could not see the difference between a woman in her early 20s and a woman in her early 30s:

Can you see the wall?

Which of these four women are in her early 20s and which in her early 30s? 1) 2) 3) 4)

looksmax.org

Now, this was a small example and I used German models and TV stars. But there is more data with average-looking women.

The dating webiste OKCupid has shown that when men rate the profile of women, most men, no matter how old they are themselves, rate women in her 20s the highest. Here you can see how the average ratings for women decline from 20 to 30 and later on:

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It looks like at age 20, the average rating for women is in the 70th percentile (I would guess it means somehow „a 7/10“) and at 30, the average rating for women is in the 60th percentile („6/10“). This is a significant drop.

But now look at this graph. It shows how women are rated if we took away the 10% best rated women and the 10% worst rated women:

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No difference for women in their 20s and women in their 30s (a slightly lower overall rating though).

What does this show? The wall does exist to some extent. The average rating for women falls from 7/10 to 6/10. Many women will hit the wall, they will get fat or lose their youthful look after all the drinking and smoking.

However, the vast majority of women (80%) will have exact the same rating with 32 than with 22. There is no "wall" for them. Of course it is deceiving to don’t include the highest and worst rated women. But the brutal reality is: The 10% best rated women (Stacys) are forever out of reach for most men and the 10% worst rated women are not interesting for most men.

If it's true that 80% of women don't lose any attractiveness level in the 1-10 scale from 22 to 32, this would mean:
- They can still get a Chad for ONS. A 22 year-old Becky or a 32 year-old Becky, doesn't matter.
- Women with 32 will have the same standards for men as women with 22, because they can.
- In short, nothing really changes for Normies in the dating market.

Of course, you can say that it was only the data from OKCupid. This is a good point. Therefore, I don't think this data is a final proof that the wall is cope (for most women). But it's one argument against the wall.

Here are four pictures of Beckys from OKCupid who were all rated the same. Can you guess which were in her mid-twenties and which in her mid-thirsties?

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If the wall is easy to spot, you should guess right.

Keep in mind that normies rating system is different. For them 7/10 is normal looking, 6/10 is kinda below average or low tier normie. Thats how i rated too before .me

I Think the wall is not cope cuz when a gl man aka chad has options, he would NOT settle with a used up 30yo girl when he could get a fresh 18yo pussy.

 

[gamma]

It's true that some men get better looking, but 80-90% are fat with 35

Not only fat, the thing that ruins men beauty the most is hairloss, and 80% of men is balding (or already bald) in their thirties

Women don't have to fight hairloss so they have an advantage

 

[Yliaster]

1. Woman of almost any age can find sex easily for free. On that basis some retards claim that the wall does not exist. In fact, sex for women is of much less importance than for men and also less pleasurable. What happens after 30 is that a women has much smaller chance for a relationship, especially with the guys who want children.

2. Women are born stacies and some believe it will go forever. After 30 they need to try hard to remain noticeable, what was for free before the cutoff date. In that regards, their life starts to resemble men's. If you don't perform, you don't exist. For some of them it is a huge punch right in the ego, like a princess who lost the throne and has to work.

3. The ugly foids who fail to survive the wall become invisible. So much invisible, that even incels deny their existence. This is the reason many incels claim that the wall does not happen, they simply don't register the foids who crashed on it. This must be the saddest form of existence, to be ignored even by incels, but life is brütal and does not care about failed genetic material.

Agreed with everything you said.I will just add that,the most brutal part of the Wall for women,is when they see younger women
getting all of the attention that they used to get when they were that age.Attention for women is the equivalent of what getting
sex is for men.The Wall basically diminishes the (Quality) of attention that women get.

 

[AlexAP]

1. Woman of almost any age can find sex easily for free. On that basis some retards claim that the wall does not exist. In fact, sex for women is of much less importance than for men and also less pleasurable. What happens after 30 is that a women has much smaller chance for a relationship, especially with the guys who want children.

2. Women are born stacies and some believe it will go forever. After 30 they need to try hard to remain noticeable, what was for free before the cutoff date. In that regards, their life starts to resemble men's. If you don't perform, you don't exist. For some of them it is a huge punch right in the ego, like a princess who lost the throne and has to work.

I disagree with that.

Beckys can get a LTR with Normies in her 20s, and this doesn't change in her 30s. Only Chads can choose to get younger women, most Normies have to stay in their age range. It's not only the SMV, the RMV for most women is the same too in her 20s and in her 30s. Especially today, when it's nothing unusual anymore for women to have kids later in life.

3. The ugly foids who fail to survive the wall become invisible. So much invisible, that even incels deny their existence. This is the reason many incels claim that the wall does not happen, they simply don't register the foids who crashed on it. This must be the saddest form of existence, to be ignored even by incels, but life is brütal and does not care about failed genetic material.

Yes, that's true. The women who do actually fall of the cliff looks-wise in their 30s are done, many become Femcels.

My life in sex: ‘I am a female incel. I am desperate for a touch’

The woman who has been involuntarily celibate for 13 years

www.theguardian.com

 

[AlexAP]

The Wall is cope ,in soo far as women past a certain age,aren't able to attract the specific high value guys that they could
when they were younger.That's it.

Well, but that seems to be not true, at least for women in her 30s. They have still the same options in their 30s than in their 20s, according to the data above.

A Becky can not LTR a Chad in her 20s or 30s, but she can easily LTR a Normie in her 20s and in her 30s. And probably in her 40s+ too.

 

[AlexAP]

Keep in mind that normies rating system is different. For them 7/10 is normal looking, 6/10 is kinda below average or low tier normie. Thats how i rated too before .me

Yes, I said that it is a significant drop.

I Think the wall is not cope cuz when a gl man aka chad has options, he would NOT settle with a used up 30yo girl when he could get a fresh 18yo pussy.

Chads can choose, yeah. But Normies can not choose, when they are in their 30s they have to go for women in their 30s, which means the RMV of the average women (Becky) doesn't change in their 30s.

 

[alriodai]

the wall is just a coping mechanism for guys, a woman who takes care of her appearence will hit the wall at 50

This, the wall is just the ability for foids to not get chad on a regular basis

 

[Deleted member 11292]

The wall doesn't exist, it's a redpill cope

Also women age better than men (on average)

straight from the postprime roasties mouth.

maby you're right, but it wouldn't be this way if men didn't actively engage in self destruction.

 

[AlexAP]

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straight from the postprime roasties mouth.

maby you're right, but it wouldn't be this way if men didn't actively engage in self destruction.

You said it, men don't take care of themselves and age like shit.

All the biological advantages mean nothing if you are balding and fat at 35.

 

[Deleted member 13197]

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straight from the postprime roasties mouth.

maby you're right, but it wouldn't be this way if men didn't actively engage in self destruction.

You said it, men don't take care of themselves and age like shit.

All the biological advantages mean nothing if you are balding and fat at 35.

i know this is true but i don't understand how pretty much 70 percent of men 35 and over have wrinkles and forehead lines if they have better skin than women. For example look at Hernan Drago

you'll never see this much wrinkles and just old looking skin on a woman that is 40 years old unless she's a drug addict or something


why

 

[Deleted member 11292]

You said it, men don't take care of themselves and age like shit.

All the biological advantages mean nothing if you are balding and fat at 35.

i know this is true but i don't understand how pretty much 70 percent of men 35 and over have wrinkles and forehead lines if they have better skin than women. For example look at Hernan Drago

you'll never see this much wrinkles and just old looking skin on a woman that is 40 years old unless she's a drug addict or something


why

obesity is more common amongst women (in the us idk abt europe).

and yeah balding is a huge looksmin. female pattern baldness exists, but it's not as prevalent or bad.

my takeaway is that its better for lookism users that men age badly, they'll be able to slay into their late 30's just by doing bare minimum self care.

celebrity examples and anecdotes aren't really useful tbh.

 

[AlexAP]

i know this is true but i don't understand how pretty much 70 percent of men 35 and over have wrinkles and forehead lines if they have better skin than women. For example look at Hernan Drago

you'll never see this much wrinkles and just old looking skin on a woman that is 40 years old unless she's a drug addict or something


why

Hernan Drago looks way older than 35 at that pic. Most male celebrities don't have wrinkles and forehead lines at 35.

Normies don't care about skincare, but I think most men still don't have many wrinkles at 35.

 

[eduardkoopman]

There exists, NO Wall, for women when it comes to random, no strings attached sex!



On average maybe something like this, for an average woman.

This is what women can have or can get when they are 18, and will lose over time:
1* Sex + commitment from (Giga) Chads
2* Uncommited/random sex from any looks level dude
3* 100% commitment, providings and (Beta)Buxx from men below the Chad level (aka, guy will pay all her costs and pamper her); sometimes also Chads but less since plenty Chads like to stay single/play the field.
4* Men looking to start a family


I thgink ON AVERAGE:
Woman past 25: 'Hit the Wall' of being able to fuck young (Giga)Chads.
Woman past 30: 'Hit the Wall' of being able to fuck Chads.
Woman past 35: 'Hit the Wall' of being able to get a succesfull and decent looking BetaBuxx man(to start family with).
Woman past 40: Hit the fertility Wall, no man that wants children wlll consider her.
Woman past 45: 'Hit the Wall, of being able to find an average looking man that is will to be mr. Provider and give full commitment (aka, pays all the bills and support her financially (100%)).
Woman past death: Hit the Wall finally for getting random sex

 

[AlexAP]

I thgink ON AVERAGE:
Woman past 25: 'Hit the Wall' of being able to fuck young (Giga)Chads.
Woman past 30: 'Hit the Wall' of being able to fuck Chads.
Woman past 35: 'Hit the Wall' of being able to get a succesfull and decent looking BetaBuxx man(to start family with).
Woman past 40: Hit the fertility Wall, no man that wants children wlll consider her.
Woman past 45: 'Hit the Wall, of being able to find an average looking man that is will to be mr. Provider and give full commitment (aka, pays all the bills and support her financially (100%)).
Woman past death: Hit the Wall finally for getting random sex

I don't agree with this.

I think Beckys don't descend that hard on average, as the data from OKCupid shows. They can fuck Chads (for ONS) until 35 at least. Amnesia said the oldest woman he fucked was 52 jfl. And a Betabuxxer is always there, at any age, even at 50s and 60s, men suffer more being alone then women.

The fertility wall is true though. But then, with the modern medicine women can freeze their eggs and have kids until 55, so the fertility wall may be a little bit outdated too.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I don't agree with this.

I think Beckys don't descend that hard on average, as the data from OKCupid shows. They can fuck Chads (for ONS) until 35 at least. Amnesia said the oldest woman he fucked was 52 jfl. And a Betabuxxer is always there, at any age, even at 50s and 60s, men suffer more being alone then women.

The fertility wall is true though. But then, with the modern medicine women can freeze their eggs and have kids until 55, so the fertility wall may be a little bit outdated too.

maybe you are right.

The freezing eggs thing, is imo mostly women coping. I seen women go through that horror. No sane dudes co-operates with that freezing egg shit mostl of them time.

 

[AlexAP]

The freezing eggs thing, is imo mostly women coping. I seen women go through that horror. No sane dudes co-operates with that freezing egg shit mostl of them time.

Yeah, it's still a cope.

I think it may change in future, if the technology becomes more affordable, because of women's empowerment and all the stuff. They won't wait until 55, but their biological clock will be the same as for men. Men having kids with 45 is late, but easily possible and not seen as dangerous. Women having kids with 45 may also become easily possible and non-dangerous from a medical standpoint.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Yeah, it's still a cope.

I think it may change in future, if the technology becomes more affordable, because of women's empowerment and all the stuff. They won't wait until 55, but their biological clock will be the same as for men. Men having kids with 45 is late, but easily possible and not seen as dangerous. Women having kids with 45 may also become easily possible and non-dangerous from a medical standpoint.

maybe in the future.
I can't see it though. The only women with freezing eggs and so on I know; ALL donor sperm from a spermbank. It appears asif men kinda opt out for this. For sure men, with some level of other (younger) options I think

 

[Deleted member 13076]

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straight from the postprime roasties mouth.

maby you're right, but it wouldn't be this way if men didn't actively engage in self destruction.

Skin Wise men age a lot better than women, not to mention a few lines in a mans face is a sign of maturity/experience which can be attractive to foids. Men's biggest problem is balding which can age you significantly.

 

[Deleted member 13076]

I don't agree with this.

I think Beckys don't descend that hard on average, as the data from OKCupid shows. They can fuck Chads (for ONS) until 35 at least. Amnesia said the oldest woman he fucked was 52 jfl. And a Betabuxxer is always there, at any age, even at 50s and 60s, men suffer more being alone then women.

The fertility wall is true though. But then, with the modern medicine women can freeze their eggs and have kids until 55, so the fertility wall may be a little bit outdated too.

I don't think you understand what the Wall means. The wall isn't about Sex, It's about the Loss of youth, youth is the most valuable possession a women has.

Hitting the wall is not about foids having sex with chads, any sub 5 girl can get sex with chad/chadlites considering the circumstances. Men are horny and will fuck just about anyone with a pussy.

Hitting the wall means a 32 year old Becky/Stacy stayed in the dating market for too long and now she's too old and can't lockdown Chad anymore for a LTR/Marriage as Chad has options for LTR younger girls.

A 32 Year old Chad is at his SMV prime and can pick any early 20s girl for a ltr.
A 32 Year Old Stacy has no where near the SMV and choosing power she had in her early 20s, she hit the wall and has to settle with a Beta Provider.

Men Value youth a lot more than women, as a women with youth has a higher chance of being fertile and producing strong healthy offsprings.

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Retarded thread, the wall is not a cope, some women just hit it sooner then others,
just because 21 years old looks like she hit the wall, doesn't mean that a woman who didn't hit it in her
30 doesn't debunk it

also you probably selected the ones that are older, but look younger, on top of that you don't know what surgries they took

the vast majority of women are at their pick at 14-16 according to stats, and its kinda hard to argue about those,
just because you have select cases where women still look good doesn't mean its a cope, in fact those good looking women
probably looked way better when they were younger

 

[AlexAP]

Hitting the wall means a 32 year old Becky/Stacy stayed in the dating market for too long and now she's too old and can't lockdown Chad anymore for a LTR/Marriage as Chad has options for LTR younger girls.

A 32 Year old Chad is at his SMV prime and can pick any early 20s girl for a ltr.
A 32 Year Old Stacy has no where near the SMV and choosing power she had in her early 20s, she hit the wall and has to settle with a Beta Provider.

Men Value youth a lot more than women, as a women with youth has a higher chance of being fertile and producing strong healthy offsprings.

That's what I a disagree with. The average age gap in relationships is 1-3 years. Most Chads in their 30s go for women around their age who still look good. For ONS, they pick women of all ages, for LTR it's women around their age. Maybe it's because they don't like the drama of younger women or because of societal pressure, but it is what it is.

It's rare to see a 32 year-old Chad having a 20-year old Stacy gf.

 

[AlexAP]

also you probably selected the ones that are older, but look younger, on top of that you don't know what surgries they took

the vast majority of women are at their pick at 14-16 according to stats, and its kinda hard to argue about those,
just because you have select cases where women still look good doesn't mean its a cope, in fact those good looking women
probably looked way better when they were younger

Not by any chance. Most aren't fully developed at 16 or even 14, that's not the average age for prime.

And the data of OKCupid showed how men rated women. They gave women in their 30s in 80% of the cases the same ratings as women in their 20s. Who else should we trust to answer the question if women are attractive to men than men who rate women's attractiveness?

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Not by any chance. Most aren't fully developed at 16 or even 14, that's not the average age for prime.

And the data of OKCupid showed how men rated women. They gave women in their 30s in 80% of the cases the same ratings as women in their 20s. Who else should we trust to answer the question if women are attractive to men than men who rate women's attractiveness?

 

[AlexAP]

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I've seen this graph many, many times. I don't know where it's from, but you know very well that the female body is not fully developed at 14. Maybe prime starts at 16-17, but it's just absurd to say that 14 is the prime.

This graph also says that 13 year-olds are much more sexually attractive than 18 year-olds, and even 12 year-olds are above 21 year-olds and older. Maybe for @personalityinkwell , but nor for the average men. No non-pedo men is more sexually attracted to a 12 year-old girl than to a 21+ year-old woman.

 

[Deleted member 7901]

I've seen this graph many, many times. I don't know where it's from, but you know very well that the female body is not fully developed at 14. Maybe prime starts at 16-17, but it's just absurd to say that 14 is the prime.

This graph also says that 13 year-olds are much more sexually attractive than 18 year-olds, and even 12 year-olds are above 21 year-olds and older. Maybe for @personalityinkwell , but nor for the average men. No non-pedo men is more sexually attracted to a 12 year-old girl than to a 21+ year-old woman.

females finish puberty at 14-15 on average

 

[AlexAP]

females finish puberty at 14-15 on average

Okay, let's assume 14 year-olds mog 18-21 year-olds (I don't believe it for a second). Would you also agree with the graph that 12 year-olds mog 21 year-olds and older?

 

[Lawton88]

The Wall clearly exists for women that are closing in on mid 30s. The well to do Chads that age to like 40 are looking for hot 25 year olds to marry and not 35+ year olds. Its why women in that higher age group complain there are no good men all the time. A well to do Chad that is 30 to like 40 has the highest smv of anyone. It is a good payback to some of these Stacys that crapped on non Chads when they were partying in their 20s.

 

[AlexAP]

The Wall clearly exists for women that are closing in on mid 30s. The well to do Chads that age to like 40 are looking for hot 25 year olds to marry and not 35+ year olds. Its why women in that higher age group complain there are no good men all the time. A well to do Chad that is 30 to like 40 has the highest smv of anyone. It is a good payback to some of these Stacys that crapped on non Chads when they were partying in their 20s.

The average age gap in relationships is 1-3 years. Most Chads marry women around their age. A 40 year-old Chad is most likely married with a 35 year-old Stacy. Most men and women are married at that age.

For non-Chads who aren't rich, "the wall" doesn't help them in their 30s either. Normies unfortunately age bad (get fat, balding), so they don't look more desirable and will still need to put the same effort as in their 20s.

 

[Lawton88]

The average age gap in relationships is 1-3 years. Most Chads marry women around their age. A 40 year-old Chad is most likely married with a 35 year-old Stacy. Most men and women are married at that age.

For non-Chads who aren't rich, "the wall" doesn't help them in their 30s either. Normies unfortunately age bad (get fat, balding), so they don't look more desirable and will still need to put the same effort as in their 20s.

I doubt that. The few well to do money wise Chads I remember always got hottie's like 10 years younger to marry. Average Joe was marrying in his age range however.

 

[Yliaster]

I don't think you understand what the Wall means. The wall isn't about Sex, It's about the Loss of youth, youth is the most valuable possession a women has.

Hitting the wall is not about foids having sex with chads, any sub 5 girl can get sex with chad/chadlites considering the circumstances. Men are horny and will fuck just about anyone with a pussy.

Hitting the wall means a 32 year old Becky/Stacy stayed in the dating market for too long and now she's too old and can't lockdown Chad anymore for a LTR/Marriage as Chad has options for LTR younger girls.

A 32 Year old Chad is at his SMV prime and can pick any early 20s girl for a ltr.
A 32 Year Old Stacy has no where near the SMV and choosing power she had in her early 20s, she hit the wall and has to settle with a Beta Provider.

Men Value youth a lot more than women, as a women with youth has a higher chance of being fertile and producing strong healthy offsprings.

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