How much of a cope is "the wall" for women?

[Htobrother]

I'm not talking about women in her 30s still having a higher SMV than men, because that is already known in this forum (most men don't age like wine, they descend hard). I'm talking about women in her 30s still attracting Chads and don't lowering their standards. Do you think this is true? Or are Redpillers right and women hit the wall at around 30 and start to give men a chance they wouldn't have looked twice in her 20s?

Here are some things that make me doubt the theory of the wall.

First, I already made a little experiment a few days ago and most users could not see the difference between a woman in her early 20s and a woman in her early 30s:

Can you see the wall?

Which of these four women are in her early 20s and which in her early 30s? 1) 2) 3) 4)

looksmax.org

Now, this was a small example and I used German models and TV stars. But there is more data with average-looking women.

The dating webiste OKCupid has shown that when men rate the profile of women, most men, no matter how old they are themselves, rate women in her 20s the highest. Here you can see how the average ratings for women decline from 20 to 30 and later on:

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It looks like at age 20, the average rating for women is in the 70th percentile (I would guess it means somehow „a 7/10“) and at 30, the average rating for women is in the 60th percentile („6/10“). This is a significant drop.

But now look at this graph. It shows how women are rated if we took away the 10% best rated women and the 10% worst rated women:

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No difference for women in their 20s and women in their 30s (a slightly lower overall rating though).

What does this show? The wall does exist to some extent. The average rating for women falls from 7/10 to 6/10. Many women will hit the wall, they will get fat or lose their youthful look after all the drinking and smoking.

However, the vast majority of women (80%) will have exact the same rating with 32 than with 22. There is no "wall" for them. Of course it is deceiving to don’t include the highest and worst rated women. But the brutal reality is: The 10% best rated women (Stacys) are forever out of reach for most men and the 10% worst rated women are not interesting for most men.

If it's true that 80% of women don't lose any attractiveness level in the 1-10 scale from 22 to 32, this would mean:
- They can still get a Chad for ONS. A 22 year-old Becky or a 32 year-old Becky, doesn't matter.
- Women with 32 will have the same standards for men as women with 22, because they can.
- In short, nothing really changes for Normies in the dating market.

Of course, you can say that it was only the data from OKCupid. This is a good point. Therefore, I don't think this data is a final proof that the wall is cope (for most women). But it's one argument against the wall.

Here are four pictures of Beckys from OKCupid who were all rated the same. Can you guess which were in her mid-twenties and which in her mid-thirsties?

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If the wall is easy to spot, you should guess right.

Wall is cope
Even young guys would fuck a 29-38y old milf if she is attractive

Idk but I would fuck a 34y old roastie if the chemistry is there

 

[Deleted member 13076]

That's what I a disagree with. The average age gap in relationships is 1-3 years. Most Chads in their 30s go for women around their age who still look good. For ONS, they pick women of all ages, for LTR it's women around their age. Maybe it's because they don't like the drama of younger women or because of societal pressure, but it is what it is.

It's rare to see a 32 year-old Chad having a 20-year old Stacy gf.

I don't know where you live but in Miami I see Older Chads dating younger stacies all the time it's the norm, and Chads in their 30s that settle down with women their same age will just cheat on them with younger women.

 

[Deleted member 13076]

Wall is cope
Even young guys would fuck a 29-38y old milf if she is attractive

Idk but I would fuck a 34y old roastie if the chemistry is there

The wall is not about Sex, the Wall is about Stacie realising that she's now old and can't compete with younger women for attention.

 

[Mastermind]

The wall is not about individual attractive women but rather their whole sex and averages as a whole.

The vast majority of girls (even the bang average ones) look attractive in their early 20s - all they need is a clear skin and a slim body - this however does not not hold true when they reach their 30s and aging signs start showing up. Only then even the biggest simp of a man can start distinguishing between the average/ugly and the truly hot ones.

 

[sorrowfulsad]

The Wall is cope ,in soo far as women past a certain age,aren't able to attract the specific high value guys that they could
when they were younger.That's it.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

A woman that takes care of herself, exercises, and diets won't hit the wall for a long time. Of course younger women will give her a hard time dating, but I don't think a foid who cares for herself will hit the wall that easily.

 

[Deleted member 12234]

The wall exists in the sense that men go for younger women. However, this doesn't mean that older women are automatically ruled out. It just means that they have to compete with younger women for high value men. If a man is 30 yos old and making good money with alot going for himself, why would he go for a woman who's also 30 (and most likely has kids) when he can go for younger women? He could easily snag up a 23 yo.

 

[AlexAP]

It just means that they have to compete with younger women for high value men. If a man is 30 yos old and making good money with alot going for himself,

But how many men are in that position at 30? Probably not many, as most men won't get rich.

Also, if it's money what creates the major attraction, it's betabuxxing. When it comes to Looks, most men brutally descend at 30.

 

[Deleted member 12234]

But how many men are in that position at 30? Probably not many, as most men won't get rich.

Also, if it's money what creates the major attraction, it's betabuxxing. When it comes to Looks, most men brutally descend at 30.

That's why I specifically said "high value men", not all men lol. All women are hypergamous and want either chads or rich men, plain and simple. Sure, they can score some young normie but it's really not an accomplishment lol.

 

[tyronelite]

It’s cope in terms of trying to get a chad to settle down with them.

But for sex bruh it’s easy mode they can get any dude.

Especially the younger guys since most guys in their 30s are overweight, bald, overall unattractive

 

[AlexAP]

It’s cope in terms of trying to get a chad to settle down with them.

But for sex bruh it’s easy mode they can get any dude.

Especially the younger guys since most guys in their 30s are overweight, bald, overall unattractive

So many Chads are marrying women in her 30s. Even celebrities. I don't think that women who remain good-looking (especially Stacys) can't find a Chad to marry in her 30s.

 

[tyronelite]

So many Chads are marrying women in her 30s. Even celebrities. I don't think that women who remain good-looking (especially Stacys) can't find a Chad to marry in her 30s.

I agree. They def can especially if they keep up their looks and stay fit

 

[owlofathena]

The wall doesn't exist, it's a redpill cope

Also women age better than men (on average)

Men have better skin only difference is hair

 

[owlofathena]

Yes it does exist because a woman who is past 40 is not ideal for having kids so yes it does exist. Doesn't mean they can't get sex but it means their dating options are almost cut in half

 

[Deleted member 15441]

I'm not talking about women in her 30s still having a higher SMV than men, because that is already known in this forum (most men don't age like wine, they descend hard). I'm talking about women in her 30s still attracting Chads and don't lowering their standards. Do you think this is true? Or are Redpillers right and women hit the wall at around 30 and start to give men a chance they wouldn't have looked twice in her 20s?

Here are some things that make me doubt the theory of the wall.

First, I already made a little experiment a few days ago and most users could not see the difference between a woman in her early 20s and a woman in her early 30s:

Can you see the wall?

Which of these four women are in her early 20s and which in her early 30s? 1) 2) 3) 4)

looksmax.org

Now, this was a small example and I used German models and TV stars. But there is more data with average-looking women.

The dating webiste OKCupid has shown that when men rate the profile of women, most men, no matter how old they are themselves, rate women in her 20s the highest. Here you can see how the average ratings for women decline from 20 to 30 and later on:

View attachment 1124637

It looks like at age 20, the average rating for women is in the 70th percentile (I would guess it means somehow „a 7/10“) and at 30, the average rating for women is in the 60th percentile („6/10“). This is a significant drop.

But now look at this graph. It shows how women are rated if we took away the 10% best rated women and the 10% worst rated women:

View attachment 1124639

No difference for women in their 20s and women in their 30s (a slightly lower overall rating though).

What does this show? The wall does exist to some extent. The average rating for women falls from 7/10 to 6/10. Many women will hit the wall, they will get fat or lose their youthful look after all the drinking and smoking.

However, the vast majority of women (80%) will have exact the same rating with 32 than with 22. There is no "wall" for them. Of course it is deceiving to don’t include the highest and worst rated women. But the brutal reality is: The 10% best rated women (Stacys) are forever out of reach for most men and the 10% worst rated women are not interesting for most men.

If it's true that 80% of women don't lose any attractiveness level in the 1-10 scale from 22 to 32, this would mean:
- They can still get a Chad for ONS. A 22 year-old Becky or a 32 year-old Becky, doesn't matter.
- Women with 32 will have the same standards for men as women with 22, because they can.
- In short, nothing really changes for Normies in the dating market.

Of course, you can say that it was only the data from OKCupid. This is a good point. Therefore, I don't think this data is a final proof that the wall is cope (for most women). But it's one argument against the wall.

Here are four pictures of Beckys from OKCupid who were all rated the same. Can you guess which were in her mid-twenties and which in her mid-thirsties?

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If the wall is easy to spot, you should guess right.

The Wall Definition: The time at which a women cannot to lock down a high SMV male. Never had to do with sex, women can get laid any time any place by 90% of guys.

So be a 25 year old Chad making 40k, or a 30 year old HTN making 150k and a house, 35 year old multimillionare. All have very high SMV and mog their peers.

Why on earth would either one lockdown a 26-30 year old HTB, even if she is botoxed/gymmaxed? They wouldn't. They both would date/marry the 22 year old Stacey with skin and ass.

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Therefore MOST women who are HTN/Staceylite and below will NOT be able to lockdown a high SMV ever, and must settle for middle curve looksmatch normies( see 90% of couples).

Most women will wall at 25 or so. As they simply cannot compete with 21

 

[AlexAP]

So be a 25 year old Chad making 40k, or a 30 year old HTN making 150k and a house, 35 year old multimillionare. All have very high SMV and mog their peers.

Why on earth would either one lockdown a 26-30 year old HTB, even if she is botoxed/gymmaxed? They wouldn't. They both would date/marry the 22 year old Stacey with skin and ass.

Because the 22 year old Stacy is dating a 23 year old Chad and is not thinking about marriage and kids, as she wants to enjoy her youth. So the 30 year old HTN making 150k and a house has to lockdown a 26-30 year old HTB.

 

[Deleted member 15441]

Because the 22 year old Stacy is dating a 23 year old Chad and is not thinking about marriage and kids, as she wants to enjoy her youth. So the 30 year old HTN making 150k and a house has to lockdown a 26-30 year old HTB.

How old are you? 22-35 is entirly different dating market than chad and frat star college.
Yeah not a 22 year old blonde stacy who dad makes $200k and pays for her BMW/apt. Of course not
But their are boat loads of hispanic/broke staceys waiting tables and shit. Plus 150k with a house will be able to get you a postprime stacey like 25+ easily. Not a Prime tho, I agree.

 

[Mustascend]

The wall is real. But desperate beta men make it so that even women who are 2 seconds from being 6ft under feel like Victoria secret angels

The thing no girl wants desperate beta trash. The men she's after would choose a younger woman

 

[Mustascend]

The wall is real. But desperate beta men make it so that even women who are 2 seconds from being 6ft under feel like Victoria secret angels

The thing is nobody wants desperate trash. Desirable men are much more difficult to find

 

[Deleted member 17026]

Femcels don't exist

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[Reckless Turtle]

It's a cope when men talk about it as if it affects male prospects. If you don't care about older women, you have no good reason to be talking about their market prospects.

 

[Deprived]

Also another way it's kind of cope is that TRP thinks men age so much better when the vast majority of men look like shit after 25 as well

 

[AlexAP]

It's a cope when men talk about it as if it affects male prospects. If you don't care about older women, you have no good reason to be talking about their market prospects.

Redpillers use "the wall" like they would "care" about women's futures, so they should not "waste" their 20s and get a "good man" instead of bad boys and player Chads. Because the "good men" will marry younger women when they ascend at 30 (lol).

Of course it's stupid, they just wanna shame women for having a higher bodycount than 0. But no women will have trouble settling down at 30 if she really wants to, doesn't matter if she has a high or low bodycount.

 

[stamaster21]

Retarded thread, the wall is not a cope, some women just hit it sooner then others,
just because 21 years old looks like she hit the wall, doesn't mean that a woman who didn't hit it in her
30 doesn't debunk it

also you probably selected the ones that are older, but look younger, on top of that you don't know what surgries they took

the vast majority of women are at their pick at 14-16 according to stats, and its kinda hard to argue about those,
just because you have select cases where women still look good doesn't mean its a cope, in fact those good looking women
probably looked way better when they were younger

this is true, at no time will a female peak is mating options from ages 14-21 years old. scientifically that is their peak, there was even dating no matter a mans age he finds 21 year olds the most attractive even when hes 55.

These women in were so fuckn hot in their prime its like having the power of a billionare nothing can compare to being young and hot in your prime, not even money, a nice job. Good looking women are so hot, that even if their past the age of 18-25 you can tell they were even hotter younger.

age 19

age 29

Shes 19


46 here

https://search.brave.com/images?q=Monica%20Lacy#122

age 19 here



age 49 here

 

[stamaster21]

The wall is not about individual attractive women but rather their whole sex and averages as a whole.

The vast majority of girls (even the bang average ones) look attractive in their early 20s - all they need is a clear skin and a slim body - this however does not not hold true when they reach their 30s and aging signs start showing up. Only then even the biggest simp of a man can start distinguishing between the average/ugly and the truly hot ones.

i agree with this females in their teens and early 20s are so attractive thats the main reason they can casually fuck men 1-3 points higher. A slim 5/10 women who is 18, sexually turns on a 7/10 man who is also 17-21 years old. So as women age they seperate in ranks and mating options even more. When there young their all banging the same smaller pool of men in their city and near by states or cities. There drop off in looks is the very reason men see a increase in mating options in there 30s and 40s.

This is very reason women get confused men in their 30s and 40s refuse to commit. These women don't realize they all used the same mating tactic and now are flooding the market, looking for long-term relationships. People are only loyal as their options so these men who for the most part got no pussy in their teens and 20s, are now banging multiple single mothers, divorced women, fat women, chubby women. That women back in highschool who was a 10/10 never really worked out, but due to genetics and being young, she fell to a 5.5/10 as she hit her 30s and 40s.

 

[stamaster21]

The thing no girl wants desperate beta trash. The men she's after would choose a younger woman

i agree, the top 20-30 percent of men are the ones choosing the younger women 8-25 years younger, not your avg beta man. The men these women banged in their teens and 20s are not looking to settle down with same aged female peers for the most part.

Unless you look like taylor swift at age 32 good luck.

 

[Deleted member 17026]

Redpillers use "the wall" like they would "care" about women's futures, so they should not "waste" their 20s and get a "good man" instead of bad boys and player Chads. Because the "good men" will marry younger women when they ascend at 30 (lol).

Of course it's stupid, they just wanna shame women for having a higher bodycount than 0. But no women will have trouble settling down at 30 if she really wants to, doesn't matter if she has a high or low bodycount.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think – Roosh Valizadeh

One popular maxim of the manosphere is the wall. It goes something like this: Once a girl is done riding the cock carousel, she will find herself at an age and lower attractiveness where she can no longer get the alpha male she wants. She will then have no choice but to load up on cats or find a lo

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As far as objective truth, this maxim is quite accurate—a woman will not be able to get a man as hot or alpha or rich at 35 than 25, but I’m afraid to tell you that this doesn’t give us as much deliverance as you may think.


Levels of thirst in America are higher than any other country I’ve been in. Men are so desperate for women that they will date way below their value in order to achieve a basic relationship. This means that they will not only accept—but fight over—a spinster woman at 35 who finally has decided to stop getting pumped and dumped. These men, while not in the elite like she could have had in the past, is still better than most men this woman could have gotten in her prime had she been born and raised in a man-poor country outside of the West. And because a woman’s rationalization mechanism is so strong, she will have no problems finding happiness at 35 after marrying the whipped beta that she can easily control, convincing herself that it’s what she wanted all along. The wall for women is more like a speed bump that any woman with half a brain can easily pass at high speed.