How much of your final adult appearance is genetic vs environmental

[Deleted member 6572]

Environmental meaning after your our of the womb? Also link studies proving either point and to what degree

 

[St. Wristcel]

Mainly genetic, chad ate Oreos, cereal, McDonald’s, and still grew up to be chad. Chads faces with pressure in home during puberty also grew up to be chads. ngl

 

[Deleted member 6892]

it’s less that ideal environment helps and more that shit environment can ruin you
15%/85% in favor of genetic I guess

 

[Copemaxxing]

I mean I dont really know what causes high prenetal t Because thats what creates chads

 

[Deleted member 6572]

Mainly genetic, chad ate Oreos, cereal, McDonald’s, and still grew up to be chad. Chads faces with pressure in home during puberty also grew up to be chads. ngl

Let’s say you had super high anxiety tho and never ate good food and slept like shit and fapped 10 times a day. If you have good genes will it still be more improtant

 

[Deleted member 6572]

I mean I dont really know what causes high prenetal t Because thats what creates chads

So puberty is a cope thenv

 

[recessed]

it’s less that ideal environment helps and more that shit environment can ruin you
15%/85% in favor of genetic I guess

this
if chad didnt eat enough he would not grow to be 6'2 simply because he didnt have enough nutrients to build the bone

 

[Copemaxxing]

So puberty is a cope thenv

Most people with high prenetal t get high pubertal t

 

[Deleted member 6572]

this
if chad didnt eat enough he would not grow to be 6'2 simply because he didnt have enough nutrients to build the bone

But What about Richard ramirez then?

 

[Deleted member 4612]

i feel for me my stressful environment really fucked up my face along with me not taking skincare too seriously because of other stuff happening in my teenage years.

but I'd still say its mostly genetics

 

[recessed]

But What about Richard ramirez then?

how do you know what his nutritions was like? Im sure he ate enough food to grow or else he simply wouldnt lol, you cant create bone out of thin air

 

[Deleted member 6572]

how do you know what his nutritions was like? Im sure he ate enough food to grow or else he simply wouldnt lol, you cant create bone out of thin air

Yeah I mean not literally starving tho, I’m talking like stressful environment or being fat fapping having mental disorders trauma that kinda thing, excluding like literal caloric deficit or starvation

 

[Deleted member 4430]

this is why youre #1, only IRL social contact is sitting down with plastic surgeons to say a few last words before getting put to sleep by the nurse

#chadorDEATH

 

[Baldingman1998]

No one knows the exact amount

 

[recessed]

Yeah I mean not literally starving tho, I’m talking like stressful environment or being fat fapping having mental disorders trauma that kinda thing, excluding like literal caloric deficit or starvation

Idk i heard that stress can fuck up your skin and ramirez didnt have good skin

 

[AutisticBeaner]

you won't believe it anyway

 

[Deleted member 6572]

you won't believe it anyway

Tekl
Me then, link studies go in depth. I’m willing to hear you out and reconsider this. This thread is a cope kinda cuz I don’t want to believe I fucked my face up due to environment

 

[s3-s3]

But What about Richard ramirez then?

Richard Ramirez had the biggest chad potential in history. Imagine if he was raised in a perfect inviroment with healthy food and lifestyle..he would break the PSL to the point it’s not even funny

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Genetics

 

[Deleted member 6572]

Genetics

All of it?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Tekl
Me then, link studies go in depth. I’m willing to hear you out and reconsider this. This thread is a cope kinda cuz I don’t want to believe I fucked my face up due to environment

i don't know about any studies tbh. what's your stance on salludon's change? your environment probably wasn't all that bad growing up, your diet just was too soft.

 

[Deleted member 6572]

i don't know about any studies tbh. what's your stance on salludon's change? your environment probably wasn't all that bad growing up, your diet just was too soft.

I don’t know much about that dude. Was his chance in adulthood or puberty. Yeah I did eat a lot of soft food growing up what effect you think it had

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

Tekl
Me then, link studies go in depth. I’m willing to hear you out and reconsider this. This thread is a cope kinda cuz I don’t want to believe I fucked my face up due to environment

There aren't any studies evaluating this, it's too complex, anyone giving you an answer is making it up.
genetics are so much more important than having a soft diet or not maintaining proper tongue posture or anything like that

 

[Deleted member 6572]

There aren't any studies evaluating this, it's too complex, anyone giving you an answer is making it up.
genetics are so much more important than having a soft diet or not maintaining proper tongue posture or anything like that

What about stress suppressing your hormones

 

[St. Wristcel]

Let’s say you had super high anxiety tho and never ate good food and slept like shit and fapped 10 times a day. If you have good genes will it still be more improtant

Then you probably hindered some progress, as even chad didn’t live that rough.

 

[Deleted member 6572]

Then you probably hindered some progress, as even chad didn’t live that rough.

How much progress would have been hindered?

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

What about stress suppressing your hormones

when you de-stress normal development should ensue
and in that case your genetics would affect to what extent stress affects your hormonal profile and your existing hormonal profile too.
Overall your genes and prenatal t matter much much more than stress suppressing you hormones some

How much progress would have been hindered?

he can't answer that man, not much

 

[Deleted member 275]

Environmental factors are negligible in western countries. The difference between for example, good healthy food and 'unhealthy' food isn't that big.

In an other country there's difference like food or no food: Shitty environment can have you nutrient deficient and starving for years in your development. That's obviously going to have an impact.

So probably like 80% genes, 20% environment in the modern world. Less in the far past or in shitty third world countries.

 

[Deleted member 6572]

when you de-stress normal development should ensue
and in that case your genetics would affect to what extent stress affects your hormonal profile and your existing hormonal profile too.
Overall your genes and prenatal t matter much much more than stress suppressing you hormones some


he can't answer that man, not much

So how much of a difference are we talking? If I literally went insane and had super high stress which I did for 3 months and I fapped like 10 times throughout puberty per day due to hypersexuality, how bad did I fuck uo my potential

 

[Deleted member 275]

had super high stress which I did for 3 months and I fapped like 10 times throughout puberty per day due to hypersexuality, how bad did I fuck uo my potential

irrelevant

For something to have a real impact you would have to look at something like being sleep deprived for a full year+ due to having to do child labor during the night, etc.

 

[Deleted member 6572]

irrelevant

For something to have a real impact you would have to look at something like being sleep deprived for a full year+ due to having to do child labor during the night, etc.

But the prolactin might have supresed my t level from the masturbation?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I don’t know much about that dude. Was his chance in adulthood or puberty. Yeah I did eat a lot of soft food growing up what effect you think it had

the effect of a soft diet concerns mainly the size of the lower jaw, but also the size of all the other bones in your skull.

this is salludon's 1 year progress.

and this is his 1.8 year progress

i think he was around 24 in this time, don't know exactly. do you see a difference between the pic on the right in the 1 year progress and the pic on the right in the 1.8 year progress? at least around the jaw?

 

[Deleted member 4123]

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Yeah

 

[Deleted member 4123]

All of it?

I guess so

 

[Deleted member 6572]

the effect of a soft diet concerns mainly the size of the lower jaw, but also the size of all the other bones in your skull.

this is salludon's 1 year progress.
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and this is his 1.8 year progress
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i think he was around 24 in this time, don't know exactly. do you see a difference between the pic on the right in the 1 year progress and the pic on the right in the 1.8 year progress? at least around the jaw?

Damn yes I do, are you sure he didn’t lose fat or get surgery or something?

 

[Deleted member 6892]

Damn yes I do, are you sure he didn’t lose fat or get surgery or something?

There’s no way it’s mewing

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Damn yes I do, are you sure he didn’t lose fat or get surgery or something?

you can see for yourself that if he lost fat then it would be 2-3% bf at most, nothing that would lead to this much of a difference. i'm sure he didn't get any surgery but i have no proof for that. but that's why i wanted you to see a difference between the 1 year result and the 1.8 year result, cause what is he supposed to have done? get a chin implant and then another chin implant on top of that?
by the way, i don't think this was much of a mewing transformation as it was a chewing transformation (so we're talking about the toughness of his diet). i think that made the big difference here. that's why his jaw didn't just move around, it actually got bigger. that's also why his browridge got bigger, if you look at how it looked at the very beginning. another thing that supports this is while mewing gets less effective as you age, because your bones become less mobile, chewing is not about that. chewing is about the actual size and density of the bones which (to my knowledge) works at the same efficiency no matter your age.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

i don't know about any studies tbh. what's your stance on salludon's change? your environment probably wasn't all that bad growing up, your diet just was too soft.

surgery or mewing?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

surgery or mewing?

chewing. (mostly)

 

[Deleted member 6191]

chewing. (mostly)

frankly idk they look too big to be just chewing lol, chin growth was too much?
I'd like to believe its mewing and chewing

 

[CommanderCope]

you can see for yourself that if he lost fat then it would be 2-3% bf at most, nothing that would lead to this much of a difference. i'm sure he didn't get any surgery but i have no proof for that. but that's why i wanted you to see a difference between the 1 year result and the 1.8 year result, cause what is he supposed to have done? get a chin implant and then another chin implant on top of that?
by the way, i don't think this was much of a mewing transformation as it was a chewing transformation (so we're talking about the toughness of his diet). i think that made the big difference here. that's why his jaw didn't just move around, it actually got bigger. that's also why his browridge got bigger, if you look at how it looked at the very beginning. another thing that supports this is while mewing gets less effective as you age, because your bones become less mobile, chewing is not about that. chewing is about the actual size and density of the bones which (to my knowledge) works at the same efficiency no matter your age.

chewing. (mostly)

JFL at thinking he had no surgeries and it's all from chewing. ahahahahhahahah

 

[AutisticBeaner]

frankly idk they look too big to be just chewing lol, chin growth was too much?
I'd like to believe its mewing and chewing

mewing probably had an effect, i just think chewing had a bigger one. but the things go hand in hand anyway.

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

So how much of a difference are we talking? If I literally went insane and had super high stress which I did for 3 months and I fapped like 10 times throughout puberty per day due to hypersexuality, how bad did I fuck uo my potential

3months is a very small difference man, even if you were literally getting staved, normal development would resume after

 

[RichmondBread]

Too much emphasis is put on genetics. Genes are very random. That's why you can see an attractive person and their entire family is plain.

 

[Deleted member 6572]

Too much emphasis is put on genetics. Genes are very random. That's why you can see an attractive person and their entire family is plain.

Yeah but that’s what I mean was it all already predetermined before birth?

 

[St. Wristcel]

How much progress would have been hindered?

I’m honestly not sure as im not knowledgeable in the field JFL. I just know basic knowledge. It probably sacrificed some mental health and many a couple inches off height and frame, MAYBE. I’m not 100% sure, maybe some higher iq user could help you out clearer.

 

[RichmondBread]

Yeah but that’s what I mean was it all already predetermined before birth?

Depends on what teratogens the mother was exposed to during pregnancy.

 

[Deleted member 6572]

Depends on what teratogens the mother was exposed to during pregnancy.

I’m saying so puberty is cope then right?

 

[Deleted member 7863]

genes and tounge posture and stuff , enviroment is giga cope

 

[Deleted member 6572]

genes and tounge posture and stuff , enviroment is giga cope

What if you have a really shitty environment or abuse drugs and have schizophrenia