How much would all this cost?

[Elias]

Orthotropics (MSE MSDO FP with DNA after)
Double jaw surgery, CCW rotation, genioplasty
Rhinoplasty
Brow ridge and jaw implants

Would I have to travel for some? I live in England
All my money in the next years is gonna go towards this

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

$3.50

 

[DianabolDownie]

100$ and ill perform all this in a comfortable kitchen

 

[MandibularCel]

Orthotropics £15k
Double jaw + rhino £20-30k
Yes you would probably need to travel. MSE is hard to come by in the UK and orthognatic surgeons are useless. The best are in Europe and US.

Orthotropics £15k
Double jaw + rhino £20-30k
Yes you would probably need to travel. MSE is hard to come by in the UK and orthognatic surgeons are useless. The best are in Europe and US.

Oh and implants too? That prob takes the total to 55-60k all things considered

 

[Elias]

Orthotropics £15k
Double jaw + rhino £20-30k
Yes you would probably need to travel. MSE is hard to come by in the UK and orthognatic surgeons are useless. The best are in Europe and US.

Oh and implants too? That prob takes the total to 55-60k all things considered

Would there be any good surgeons in France/Germany etc

 

[MandibularCel]

Would there be any good surgeons in France/Germany etc

I'll pm you

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Orthotropics (MSE MSDO FP with DNA after)
Double jaw surgery, CCW rotation, genioplasty
Rhinoplasty
Brow ridge and jaw implants

Would I have to travel for some? I live in England
All my money in the next years is gonna go towards this

baby steps, but good to know in advance your whole plan

and if you are an adult, orthotropics are useless

pm me, maybe I can help

 

[Elias]

baby steps, but good to know in advance your whole plan

and if you are an adult, orthotropics are useless

pm me, maybe I can help

I’m 18 and think appliances aren’t useless at this point if I get them tbh

 

[Sergio-OMS]

I insist, forget about orthotropics over age 10. You’ll loose money and, more important, time, which is crucial. And you might damage your TMJs.

MSE would probably do its job, but any treatment must be set in the context of your whole treatment plan. It’s is different doing MSE for a patient that will have surgery after it than doing MSE for a patient that is trying to avoid surgery.

 

[kota]

I insist, forget about orthotropics over age 10. You’ll loose money and, more important, time, which is crucial. And you might damage your TMJs.

MSE would probably do its job, but any treatment must be set in the context of your whole treatment plan. It’s is different doing MSE for a patient that will have surgery after it than doing MSE for a patient that is trying to avoid surgery.

When saying orthotropics are useless for adults, are you referring to mewing specifically? How about getting midfacial changes as an adult from MSE and facepull?

 

[Sergio-OMS]

When saying orthotropics are useless for adults, are you referring to mewing specifically? How about getting midfacial changes as an adult from MSE and facepull?

“Mewing” in adults doesn’t have skeletal effects, but I suppose it can produce hypertrophy of the masseter muscles and protrusion of the front teeth (especially in persons with thin gums or gum problems)

MSE in males only works in young adults. And the younger the better. I wouldn’t bother to try it in males over 25

 

[kota]

“Mewing” in adults doesn’t have skeletal effects, but I suppose it can produce hypertrophy of the masseter muscles and protrusion of the front teeth (especially in persons with thin gums or gum problems)

MSE in males only works in young adults. And the younger the better. I wouldn’t bother to try it in males over 25

That's interesting. Ronald Ead is almost 30 and had a successful MSE treatment so it seems possible but perhaps unlikely.

I consulted with an ortho who trained directly under Won Moon. He gave me about a 50/50 chance of success with MSE as an adult male. He mentioned a 37 year old female patient of his having success with MSE and facepull as an example.

I need maxilla advancement and am struggling do decide between trying MSE + facepull or just doing bimax. As an older adult male, do you think it's possible to get forward protraction of the midface through facepulling? Provided you actually succeed in splitting the mid palate suture with MSE first.

 

[Sergio-OMS]

That's interesting. Ronald Ead is almost 30 and had a successful MSE treatment so it seems possible but perhaps unlikely.

I consulted with an ortho who trained directly under Won Moon. He gave me about a 50/50 chance of success with MSE as an adult male. He mentioned a 37 year old female patient of his having success with MSE and facepull as an example.

I need maxilla advancement and am struggling do decide between trying MSE + facepull or just doing bimax. As an older adult male, do you think it's possible to get forward protraction of the midface through facepulling? Provided you actually succeed in splitting the mid palate suture with MSE first.

In females it works very well, I do now know why. I've heard of a 62 year old female that got her expansion with an MSE appliance.

And it is true, it can also work in males over 30. It is possible to try at any age. Besides the risks of failure (meaning having wasted money, time and having mild discomfort), risks of trying expansion with MSE are low if properly monitored (this doesn't mean frequent visits, I monitor my patients with photographs taken by someone else with the patients' mobile phones).

 

[bossman]

baby steps, but good to know in advance your whole plan

and if you are an adult, orthotropics are useless

pm me, maybe I can help

can i pm you

 

[Sergio-OMS]

can i pm you

Sure

 

[middayshowers]

>Orthotropics (MSE MSDO FP with DNA after)

bro what ortho problems do you have that require 4 different surgeries? I haven't even heard of FP and DNA

 

[Elias]

“Mewing” in adults doesn’t have skeletal effects, but I suppose it can produce hypertrophy of the masseter muscles and protrusion of the front teeth (especially in persons with thin gums or gum problems)

MSE in males only works in young adults. And the younger the better. I wouldn’t bother to try it in males over 25

Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about bro

ronald was has MSE at 28 and got insane expansion in weeks.

theres nobody that does MSE in UK, but maybe Mew can do but first I have to consult

I can’t travel to different countries I’m 18,so Mike mew is only hope plus jaw surgery can happen later.

>Orthotropics (MSE MSDO FP with DNA after)

bro what ortho problems do you have that require 4 different surgeries? I haven't even heard of FP and DNA

Fp is facepuller and Dna is an appliance that brings the maxilla forward

I need my maxilla to come forward 1.2cm and Mandible 1cm and both to be widened by ideally 1cm

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about bro

ronald was has MSE at 28 and got insane expansion in weeks.

theres nobody that does MSE in UK, but maybe Mew can do but first I have to consult

I can’t travel to different countries I’m 18,so Mike mew is only hope plus jaw surgery can happen later.

I think you didn't read my last post in his thread.

 

[Elias]

I think you didn't read my last post in his thread.

Are you a surgeon? Can you do Lefort 3? Where are you based?

 

[puppymaxer]

In order to do MSE don't u need to have something wrong with u?

 

[Elias]

In order to do MSE don't u need to have something wrong with u?

Fraud sleep apnea, or In my case pay for it

 

[Chadelite]

Sure

can i pm u bro

i wanna max

i live in the UK as well

Fraud sleep apnea, or In my case pay for it

nibba u still working at the shit corner shop?

 

[Elias]

can i pm u bro

i wanna max

i live in the UK as well

nibba u still working at the shit corner shop?

Yes jfl it’s actually a big supermarket

 

[kota]

In females it works very well, I do now know why. I've heard of a 62 year old female that got her expansion with an MSE appliance.

And it is true, it can also work in males over 30. It is possible to try at any age. Besides the risks of failure (meaning having wasted money, time and having mild discomfort), risks of trying expansion with MSE are low if properly monitored (this doesn't mean frequent visits, I monitor my patients with photographs taken by someone else with the patients' mobile phones).

Thanks for your input. This is why I'm hesitant and considering bimax instead.

As an older adult male, what do you think the chances are of success with MSE?

And if MSE would be successful, do you think I could get any forward protraction of the maxilla with a facepull device using the MSE appliance as an anchor? I have only seen results of this in kids and adolescents.

 

[Chadelite]

Yes jfl it’s actually a big supermarket

Jfl can't be a legit big one like tesco

 

[Elias]

Jfl can't be a legit big one like tesco

It’s as big as a Co Op

 

[Sergio-OMS]

Are you a surgeon? Can you do Lefort 3? Where are you based?

No, I don't do Le Fort III. I don't do Le Fort II, I am more realistic and I don't want to cause problems, nor have them. I acted as a second surgeon to craniofacial surgeon that did those during my training and the idea of doing that in adults and only for cosmetic purposes freaks me out. I am based on Madrid, Spain.

 

[forwardgrowth]

No, I don't do Le Fort III. I don't do Le Fort II, I am more realistic and I don't want to cause problems, nor have them. I acted as a second surgeon to craniofacial surgeon that did those during my training and the idea of doing that in adults and only for cosmetic purposes freaks me out. I am based on Madrid, Spain.

Who is a surgeon you trust for cosmetic lefort III

 

[Sergio-OMS]

I would trust no surgeon offering Le Fort 3 to non-syndromic patients.

 

[OCDMaxxing]

I would trust no surgeon offering Le Fort 3 to non-syndromic patients.

Same thing my ortho has said. She said it just shouldn't be done on non-syndromic people and carries very high risks.