how this cycle looking at 16 1/2

[krishiesty]

basically this for 4 weeks with only change being arimidex 3x a week not daily.

 

[AlexBrown8383]

niggas running mk and hgh

 

[krishiesty]

your right i think im gonna get igf1 levels tested n i want to make sure hgh is real before i stop the mk

 

[gokorg]

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basically this for 4 weeks with only change being arimidex 3x a week not daily.

Why are we still using enclo and combining HGH and MK677, we cannot be for real

 

[Molecular69]

why is bro not running test JFL

 

[krishiesty]

Why are we still using enclo and combining HGH and MK677, we cannot be for real

test scares me

 

[Molecular69]

also that whole cycle is retarded as fuck, do some more research before you hop on

 

[theladarer2000]

Horrible cycle, atleast use a test base. (Please don’t do a cycle anytime soon)

 

[dachi101]

just do test and hgh

 

[birthdefect]

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basically this for 4 weeks with only change being arimidex 3x a week not daily.

gonna assume this is for height (idiopathic short stature)
gh dose:
Z x weight(kgs) / 7 x 3
Z = any number from 0.24 - 0.47
in clinical settings usually starts from 0.24 and builds up to max of 0.47
calculate your dose
my slightly modified formula from the nih study

anavar dose is 0.03mg - 0.1mg per kg daily
mk is useless, enclo lowers gh to igf1 conversion by acting as an agonist on e receptors in the liver

when dosing gh get bloods done and make sure your igf1 z score is at +2.0, below is suboptimal, above is acromegalic. sometimes going to +3.0 is done but not for extended periods of time

mark as solution for extremely high effort response

 

[CertifiedGoy]

Anavar will rape your bone age don’t do it and enclo is shit

 

[ccwb]

niggas running mk and hgh

Fr saw someone say take igf and hgh

 

[stacykiller]

Why are we still using enclo and combining HGH and MK677, we cannot be for real

can you explain pls what’s the problem with these three? i know that hgh and mk677 is bad combined but what’s wrong with enclo?

 

[birthdefect]

Anavar will rape your bone age don’t do it and enclo is shit

var needs to be dosed very low for it to be worthwhile
and yes enclo is shit for non pct purposes

 

[stacykiller]

Anavar will rape your bone age don’t do it and enclo is shit

can you explain pls why enclo is bad? i thought its better then pinning raw test

 

[birthdefect]

can you explain pls what’s the problem with these three? i know that hgh and mk677 is bad combined but what’s wrong with enclo?

gh and mk are bad combined because of redundancy, but other secretagogues could be combined (i have a thread on it click my profile)
enclo lowers gh to igf1 conversion, and it does this independently from the increase in estrogen from the increase in testosterone, and is thus unavoidable

 

[birthdefect]

can you explain pls why enclo is bad? i thought its better then pinning raw test

no no not at all
pinning test mogs enclo brutally

 

[stacykiller]

gh and mk are bad combined because of redundancy, but other secretagogues could be combined (i have a thread on it click my profile)
enclo lowers gh to igf1 conversion, and it does this independently from the increase in estrogen from the increase in testosterone, and is thus unavoidable

okay thank you very much for the detailed explanation, i’ll read your thread. can i ask you if i have questions abt it?

 

[krishiesty]

Anavar will rape your bone age don’t do it and enclo is shit

your talking in terms of growth plates, mine are already closed, would it matter even after that?

 

[Nnik8s]

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basically this for 4 weeks with only change being arimidex 3x a week not daily.

Enclo to suppress gh

 

[Nnik8s]

Enclo to suppress gh

And if you goal is londigital growth var increases bone age

 

[Thad Castle]

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basically this for 4 weeks with only change being arimidex 3x a week not daily.

4 weeks

 

[chway]

gh and mk are bad combined because of redundancy, but other secretagogues could be combined (i have a thread on it click my profile)
enclo lowers gh to igf1 conversion, and it does this independently from the increase in estrogen from the increase in testosterone, and is thus unavoidable

Can you literally just combat this? Enclo + any AI + mk/gh/igf1-lr3?

 

[krishiesty]

enclo will make gh conversion less effictive in general

 

[birthdefect]

Can you literally just combat this? Enclo + any AI + mk/gh/igf1-lr3?

no, enclo messes with gh to igf1 conversion in the liver, no way around it. clomid is even worse, and tamox is growth plate poison.

enclo will make gh conversion less effictive in general

yes exactly

 

[chway]

no, enclo messes with gh to igf1 conversion in the liver, no way around it. clomid is even worse, and tamox is growth plate poison.

yes exactly

Couldn’t you just take liver support supps and once you finish your cycle take igf1-lr3 or some other igf boosting pep to make it normal? May sound dumb sorry

Also please link study im interested

 

[birthdefect]

Couldn’t you just take liver support supps and once you finish your cycle take igf1-lr3 or some other igf boosting pep to make it normal? May sound dumb sorry

Also please link study im interested

enclo isnt harmful to the liver, just acts as an e2 agonist

Abstract 1326: Oral enclomiphene citrate lowers IGF-1 in men with secondary hypogonadism while raising testosterone: Implications for cancer prevention.

Abstract. Introduction: Lowered hGH and IGF-1 have been linked with protection from various cancers.Methods and Subjects: We determined levels of IGF-1 and pituitary hormones in men with secondary hypogonadism under treatment with enclomiphene (a.k.a. Androxal) in comparison to topical...

aacrjournals.org

heres one study, there was another one but im not fucked finding it

 

[chway]

enclo isnt harmful to the liver, just acts as an e2 agonist

Abstract 1326: Oral enclomiphene citrate lowers IGF-1 in men with secondary hypogonadism while raising testosterone: Implications for cancer prevention.

Abstract. Introduction: Lowered hGH and IGF-1 have been linked with protection from various cancers.Methods and Subjects: We determined levels of IGF-1 and pituitary hormones in men with secondary hypogonadism under treatment with enclomiphene (a.k.a. Androxal) in comparison to topical...

aacrjournals.org

heres one study, there was another one but im not fucked finding it

i might be retarded but I couldn’t find anything in the study about how long after the cycle finished they checked and I couldn’t find any long term igf1 tracking after the cycle. It could go back to normal after a while but idk

 

[birthdefect]

i might be retarded but I couldn’t find anything in the study about how long after the cycle finished they checked and I couldn’t find any long term igf1 tracking after the cycle. It could go back to normal after a while but idk

it does go back to normal after use is ceased, but while using enclo gh to igf1 conversion is reduced fairly significantly, which is the last thing you want when on gh
please rep saar im wasting posts

 

[brettar]

it does go back to normal after use is ceased, but while using enclo gh to igf1 conversion is reduced fairly significantly, which is the last thing you want when on gh
please rep saar im wasting posts

So i should stay away from enclo or clomid if I dont wanna rape my growth?