How to actually DOSE/CHOOSE ROIDS SEMI-SAFELY

[jawalrus]

Beginner's Guide to Dosing and Choosing Steroids​

DISCLAIMER: This isn't a full roiding guide—just how to dose and choose which compounds to take.


Important: There's no such thing as "no sides" on roids, but you can live a long life on them with proper management.

Two Approaches to Roiding​

1. One and Done (not really recommended, but your choice)
2. Blast and Cruise


Note: "Cycle on, cycle off" is nonsense. Why shut down your natural testosterone production just to take tons of meds to restart it, only to shut it off again?

---

Approach 1: One and Done​

Pretty straightforward. The goal is to maximize your natural potential since you won't be roiding long-term while minimizing long term sides.

Protocol:

• 500mg testosterone enanthate + optional anavar
• Titrate up slowly: Start at 250mg for 4 weeks, then increase to 500mg if tolerated well
• Alternative: 150mg test + 800mg primo (from one BOTB thread), but it's much more expensive for similar results

---

Approach 2: Blast and Cruise​

Start the same way: 250mg for 4 weeks

The Difference:​

Increase dosage by 250mg every 4 weeks:

• 250mg → wait 4 weeks → 500mg → wait 4 weeks → 750mg → continue...

CRITICAL RULES:

1. Continue WITHOUT an AI until you see side effects
   • If you can prevent issues without an AI, DON'T use it
   • Aromatase inhibitors are poison—reprogram your cycle instead
2. GET YOUR BLOODS TESTED
   • This shows exactly which hormones are causing problems
   • Come down slightly until side effects stop
   • Same applies to other ancillaries
3. Know your predispositions
   • Prone to balding? Don't use DHT derivatives
   • Use logic when selecting compounds
4. Continue at your highest tolerable dose until ~20 weeks, then drop to cruise dose of 250mg
5. STAY AT 250MG UNTIL BLOOD MARKERS NORMALIZE
   • If bloods aren't good at 250mg, go lower (cope with ur shit genetics)

---

NOW YOU KNOW​

1. Your highest tolerable test dose
2. Your cruise dose (for optimal blood markers)
3. Which steroids you CAN and CAN'T use

Reading Your Bloodwork:​

Use your blood test results to determine compound compatibility:

• Hair loss? → No DHT derivatives
• High hematocrit/RBC? → No EQ/Boldenone

Future Cycles:​

• Different roids have different side effects—use your brain
• Don't use compounds that worsen your sides
• Some roids synergize with each other
• Program future cycles around your bloodwork findings
• This saves money, time, and health by reducing compounds/ancillaries needed

TL;DR: There are two steroid approaches: "one and done" (single cycle with 500mg test + optional anavar) or "blast and cruise" (ongoing use with periodic breaks). For blast and cruise, gradually increase test by 250mg every 4 weeks until side effects appear, get bloodwork to identify issues, then cruise at 250mg until markers normalize. Avoid AI unless absolutely necessary, and use bloodwork to determine which compounds you can/can't tolerate for future cycles.

 

[ssxjdgh]

Var is a DHT derivative and doesn't cause hairloss.

 

[ssxjdgh]

Beginner's Guide to Dosing and Choosing Steroids​

DISCLAIMER: This isn't a full roiding guide—just how to dose and choose which compounds to take.


Important: There's no such thing as "no sides" on roids, but you can live a long life on them with proper management.

Two Approaches to Roiding​

1. One and Done (not really recommended, but your choice)
2. Blast and Cruise


Note: "Cycle on, cycle off" is nonsense. Why shut down your natural testosterone production just to take tons of meds to restart it, only to shut it off again?

---

Approach 1: One and Done​

Pretty straightforward. The goal is to maximize your natural potential since you won't be roiding long-term while minimizing long term sides.

Protocol:

• 500mg testosterone enanthate + optional anavar
• Titrate up slowly: Start at 250mg for 4 weeks, then increase to 500mg if tolerated well
• Alternative: 150mg test + 800mg primo (from one BOTB thread), but it's much more expensive for similar results

---

Approach 2: Blast and Cruise​

Start the same way: 250mg for 4 weeks

The Difference:​

Increase dosage by 250mg every 4 weeks:

• 250mg → wait 4 weeks → 500mg → wait 4 weeks → 750mg → continue...

CRITICAL RULES:

1. Continue WITHOUT an AI until you see side effects
   • If you can prevent issues without an AI, DON'T use it
   • Aromatase inhibitors are poison—reprogram your cycle instead
2. GET YOUR BLOODS TESTED
   • This shows exactly which hormones are causing problems
   • Come down slightly until side effects stop
   • Same applies to other ancillaries
3. Know your predispositions
   • Prone to balding? Don't use DHT derivatives
   • Use logic when selecting compounds
4. Continue at your highest tolerable dose until ~20 weeks, then drop to cruise dose of 250mg
5. STAY AT 250MG UNTIL BLOOD MARKERS NORMALIZE
   • If bloods aren't good at 250mg, go lower (cope with ur shit genetics)

---

NOW YOU KNOW​

1. Your highest tolerable test dose
2. Your cruise dose (for optimal blood markers)
3. Which steroids you CAN and CAN'T use

Reading Your Bloodwork:​

Use your blood test results to determine compound compatibility:

• Hair loss? → No DHT derivatives
• High hematocrit/RBC? → No EQ/Boldenone

Future Cycles:​

• Different roids have different side effects—use your brain
• Don't use compounds that worsen your sides
• Some roids synergize with each other
• Program future cycles around your bloodwork findings
• This saves money, time, and health by reducing compounds/ancillaries needed

TL;DR: There are two steroid approaches: "one and done" (single cycle with 500mg test + optional anavar) or "blast and cruise" (ongoing use with periodic breaks). For blast and cruise, gradually increase test by 250mg every 4 weeks until side effects appear, get bloodwork to identify issues, then cruise at 250mg until markers normalize. Avoid AI unless absolutely necessary, and use bloodwork to determine which compounds you can/can't tolerate for future cycles.

Also what about 150mg /trt doses?

 

[jawalrus]

Var is a DHT derivative and doesn't cause hairloss.

var is var though

mainly talking about mast, winstrol, halo etc.

 

[ssxjdgh]

var is var though

what does that mean lol

 

[jawalrus]

Also what about 150mg /trt doses?

completely fine, again it depends on the person

admittedly 250mg/wk is on the higher side and would be moreso considered "sports-trt"

but for me my bloodwork is good on 250mg of test

 

[ssxjdgh]

completely fine, again it depends on the person

admittedly 250mg/wk is on the higher side and would be moreso considered "sports-trt"

but for me my bloodwork is good on 250mg of test

Can I make gains on 150mg test?

 

[jawalrus]

what does that mean lol

anavar is significantly gentler than most other dht derivs

but even anavar can fuck u up if ur genetics are that way so i still recommend not touching if ur predisposed

 

[youngmogGod]

getting bloodwork is for normies, other then that I agree. Make a thread next on how to pin and how often for the newcels. This could just be anecdotal but pinning test everyday or every other day negated all sides for me. Was able to hop off cycle with no hcg and no sides.

 

[jawalrus]

Can I make gains on 150mg test?

150mg test usually higher than most ppl's natural levels so you'll make better gains but not roiding gains

 

[ssxjdgh]

150mg test usually higher than most ppl's natural levels so you'll make better gains but not roiding gains

I'm over a week post hair transplant don't wanna push it too much

 

[ssxjdgh]

getting bloodwork is for normies, other then that I agree. Make a thread next on how to pin and how often for the newcels. This could just be anecdotal but pinning test everyday or every other day negated all sides for me. Was able to hop off cycle with no hcg and no sides.

Why is bloodwork for normies?

 

[jawalrus]

getting bloodwork is for normies, other then that I agree. Make a thread next on how to pin and how often for the newcels. This could just be anecdotal but pinning test everyday or every other day negated all sides for me. Was able to hop off cycle with no hcg and no sides.

yeah pinning more frequently/changing ur pinning schedule in general can greatly impact sides

i'm fine on 2x test c a week but at higher dosages higher frequency is generally better

 

[youngmogGod]

Can I make gains on 150mg test?

Yes, but make sure your pinning twice a week or ideally everyday to keep your levels high.

 

[Snow19]

Beginner's Guide to Dosing and Choosing Steroids​

DISCLAIMER: This isn't a full roiding guide—just how to dose and choose which compounds to take.


Important: There's no such thing as "no sides" on roids, but you can live a long life on them with proper management.

Two Approaches to Roiding​

1. One and Done (not really recommended, but your choice)
2. Blast and Cruise


Note: "Cycle on, cycle off" is nonsense. Why shut down your natural testosterone production just to take tons of meds to restart it, only to shut it off again?

---

Approach 1: One and Done​

Pretty straightforward. The goal is to maximize your natural potential since you won't be roiding long-term while minimizing long term sides.

Protocol:

• 500mg testosterone enanthate + optional anavar
• Titrate up slowly: Start at 250mg for 4 weeks, then increase to 500mg if tolerated well
• Alternative: 150mg test + 800mg primo (from one BOTB thread), but it's much more expensive for similar results

---

Approach 2: Blast and Cruise​

Start the same way: 250mg for 4 weeks

The Difference:​

Increase dosage by 250mg every 4 weeks:

• 250mg → wait 4 weeks → 500mg → wait 4 weeks → 750mg → continue...

CRITICAL RULES:

1. Continue WITHOUT an AI until you see side effects
   • If you can prevent issues without an AI, DON'T use it
   • Aromatase inhibitors are poison—reprogram your cycle instead
2. GET YOUR BLOODS TESTED
   • This shows exactly which hormones are causing problems
   • Come down slightly until side effects stop
   • Same applies to other ancillaries
3. Know your predispositions
   • Prone to balding? Don't use DHT derivatives
   • Use logic when selecting compounds
4. Continue at your highest tolerable dose until ~20 weeks, then drop to cruise dose of 250mg
5. STAY AT 250MG UNTIL BLOOD MARKERS NORMALIZE
   • If bloods aren't good at 250mg, go lower (cope with ur shit genetics)

---

NOW YOU KNOW​

1. Your highest tolerable test dose
2. Your cruise dose (for optimal blood markers)
3. Which steroids you CAN and CAN'T use

Reading Your Bloodwork:​

Use your blood test results to determine compound compatibility:

• Hair loss? → No DHT derivatives
• High hematocrit/RBC? → No EQ/Boldenone

Future Cycles:​

• Different roids have different side effects—use your brain
• Don't use compounds that worsen your sides
• Some roids synergize with each other
• Program future cycles around your bloodwork findings
• This saves money, time, and health by reducing compounds/ancillaries needed

TL;DR: There are two steroid approaches: "one and done" (single cycle with 500mg test + optional anavar) or "blast and cruise" (ongoing use with periodic breaks). For blast and cruise, gradually increase test by 250mg every 4 weeks until side effects appear, get bloodwork to identify issues, then cruise at 250mg until markers normalize. Avoid AI unless absolutely necessary, and use bloodwork to determine which compounds you can/can't tolerate for future cycles.

Im on 400mg test 25mg tbol no sides. Not using an ai. I feel amazing. Planning to blast and cruise

 

[jawalrus]

Im on 400mg test 25mg tbol no sides. Not using an ai. I feel amazing. Planning to blast and cruise

roids are great when u dont have to take 20 other chemicals to mitigate sides that shouldn't even exist

 

[youngmogGod]

Why is bloodwork for normies?

Shit is just a waste of time and money honestly, unless ur actually interested in the gymcel bloodwork shit then go for it. If you take the proper precautions then you're fine. If u end up balding on 150 mg of test then you were gonna go bald soon anyway.

 

[youngmogGod]

I'm over a week post hair transplant don't wanna push it too much

150 mg of test will probably put you at 750-950 ng of test if you pin frequently and ur an average responder to exogenous compounds. I know people who have ran just 250 mg of test cyp injected daily and their levels were 1100+.

 

[ssxjdgh]

Yes, but make sure your pinning twice a week or ideally everyday to keep your levels high.

What difference does it make if at end day it's same amount of test /week

 

[youngmogGod]

What difference does it make if at end day it's same amount of test /week

injecting test frequently keeps your levels balanced and prevents ur test from crashing throughout the week before your next injection. thus negating terrible sides like puffy nips and bloat etc.

 

[jawalrus]

What difference does it make if at end day it's same amount of test /week

hormone stability

pinning more frequently = less up and down of ur hormones = less sides

 

[adeeyeah]

Beginner's Guide to Dosing and Choosing Steroids​

DISCLAIMER: This isn't a full roiding guide—just how to dose and choose which compounds to take.


Important: There's no such thing as "no sides" on roids, but you can live a long life on them with proper management.

Two Approaches to Roiding​

1. One and Done (not really recommended, but your choice)
2. Blast and Cruise


Note: "Cycle on, cycle off" is nonsense. Why shut down your natural testosterone production just to take tons of meds to restart it, only to shut it off again?

---

Approach 1: One and Done​

Pretty straightforward. The goal is to maximize your natural potential since you won't be roiding long-term while minimizing long term sides.

Protocol:

• 500mg testosterone enanthate + optional anavar
• Titrate up slowly: Start at 250mg for 4 weeks, then increase to 500mg if tolerated well
• Alternative: 150mg test + 800mg primo (from one BOTB thread), but it's much more expensive for similar results

---

Approach 2: Blast and Cruise​

Start the same way: 250mg for 4 weeks

The Difference:​

Increase dosage by 250mg every 4 weeks:

• 250mg → wait 4 weeks → 500mg → wait 4 weeks → 750mg → continue...

CRITICAL RULES:

1. Continue WITHOUT an AI until you see side effects
   • If you can prevent issues without an AI, DON'T use it
   • Aromatase inhibitors are poison—reprogram your cycle instead
2. GET YOUR BLOODS TESTED
   • This shows exactly which hormones are causing problems
   • Come down slightly until side effects stop
   • Same applies to other ancillaries
3. Know your predispositions
   • Prone to balding? Don't use DHT derivatives
   • Use logic when selecting compounds
4. Continue at your highest tolerable dose until ~20 weeks, then drop to cruise dose of 250mg
5. STAY AT 250MG UNTIL BLOOD MARKERS NORMALIZE
   • If bloods aren't good at 250mg, go lower (cope with ur shit genetics)

---

NOW YOU KNOW​

1. Your highest tolerable test dose
2. Your cruise dose (for optimal blood markers)
3. Which steroids you CAN and CAN'T use

Reading Your Bloodwork:​

Use your blood test results to determine compound compatibility:

• Hair loss? → No DHT derivatives
• High hematocrit/RBC? → No EQ/Boldenone

Future Cycles:​

• Different roids have different side effects—use your brain
• Don't use compounds that worsen your sides
• Some roids synergize with each other
• Program future cycles around your bloodwork findings
• This saves money, time, and health by reducing compounds/ancillaries needed

TL;DR: There are two steroid approaches: "one and done" (single cycle with 500mg test + optional anavar) or "blast and cruise" (ongoing use with periodic breaks). For blast and cruise, gradually increase test by 250mg every 4 weeks until side effects appear, get bloodwork to identify issues, then cruise at 250mg until markers normalize. Avoid AI unless absolutely necessary, and use bloodwork to determine which compounds you can/can't tolerate for future cycles.

thanks for the gpt recital

 

[ssxjdgh]

150 mg of test will probably put you at 750-950 ng of test if you pin frequently and ur an average responder to exogenous compounds. I know people who have ran just 250 mg of test cyp injected daily and their levels were 1100+.

I don't know what that means is that a lot more than natty?

injecting test frequently keeps your levels balanced and prevents ur test from crashing throughout the week before your next injection. thus negating terrible sides like puffy nips and bloat etc.

hormone stability

pinning more frequently = less up and down of ur hormones = less sides

Yes but is it worth pinning 0.2 ml prop a day?

 

[Grievous]

Good thread

 

[InperfectChad]

what type of bloodwork exams do I have to get done?

 

[jawalrus]

thanks for the gpt recital

formatted by claude cuz openai's stuff is shit

what type of bloodwork exams do I have to get done?

just search up blood hormone panel, should cost like 100-150, go to ur local labcorp or whatever, hand them the reciept