How to Ascend if You're Under 21 (water)

[wojak]

1. Lift heavy weights.
2. Eat in a calorie surplus.
3. Sunlight.
4. Skincare.
5. Drink water.

Once you're around 19-21 you'll go through a second puberty. If you are 18 or younger this is genuinely all you need to do. Once you're in your early 20's and you already have a good base yes you can think about other procedures but if you're 17 and looking at hardmaxxing tutorials then you're a retard.

 

[Diamond Dave]

Nigga no one cares about that, the current shit is what happened to charlie kirk

 

[wojak]

1. Lift heavy weights.
2. Eat in a calorie surplus.
3. Sunlight.
4. Skincare.
5. Drink water.

Once you're around 19-21 you'll go through a second puberty. If you are 18 or younger this is genuinely all you need to do. Once you're in your early 20's and you already have a good base yes you can think about other procedures but if you're 17 and looking at hardmaxxing tutorials then you're a retard.

Water thread but it pisses me off how many kids are on here. I'm happy that they're aware of the bp but please just go outside and be a kid for gods sake.

 

[Eltrē]

2. Eat in a calorie surplus.

 

[kranerman23123]

Water thread but it pisses me off how many kids are on here. I'm happy that they're aware of the bp but please just go outside and be a kid for gods sake.

fr its sad while on one hand I wish I got blackpilled a bit earlier I also think its sad to see 14 yr olds on here talking about roping worrying about their height and thinking about surgery when i was 14 I was pretending to be apart of lizard squad and hacking on gmod i literally was completely carefree and did not give a fuck about how I looked. Its a double edged sword though. I think this is too much for a kids young brain ngl

 

[wojak]

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You literally need to be in a surplus when you're a growing child you absolute spergcel. Just deprive yourself of nutrients bro. lean is law bro.


Literally just lean out when you're in your early 20's. You need to build a good foundation of muscle.

 

[Node]

Nigga no one cares about that, the current shit is what happened to charlie kirk

Nigga no one cares about that shit

 

[wojak]

fr its sad while on one hand I wish I got blackpilled a bit earlier I also think its sad to see 14 yr olds on here talking about roping worrying about their height and thinking about surgery when i was 14 I was pretending to be apart of lizard squad and hacking on gmod i literally was completely carefree and did not give a fuck about how I looked. Its a double edged sword though. I think this is too much for a kids young brain ngl

holy shit lizard squad. this guy knows ball. i remember the xbox servers going down on christmas lol.

yeah it's worrying tbh but hopefully they'll be able to navigate through the shit and only take in the good stuff. i think a lot of people here mostly just talk shit for the sake of it - it's all just a way to cope really.

 

[Eltrē]

You literally need to be in a surplus when you're a growing child you absolute spergcel. Just deprive yourself of nutrients bro. lean is law bro.


Literally just lean out when you're in your early 20's. You need to build a good foundation of muscle.

"Brooo just be incel for the majority of your youth, gatis said over 15 micronooooooootrients will make me chad broo"

 

[wojak]

Nigga no one cares about that, the current shit is what happened to charlie kirk

yeah cause we need 32234342 posts repeating the same thing.

 

[wojak]

"Brooo just be incel for the majority of your youth, gatis said over 15 micronooooooootrients will make me chad broo"
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i cant be bothered to argue with you but you'll learn i guess

 

[IraniancelV2]

i cant be bothered to argue with you but you'll learn i guess

Learn what? There is no such thing as a second puberty in your early 20s

 

[Eltrē]

i cant be bothered to argue with you but you'll learn i guess

You're already in your 20s and have absolutely nothing to show for it, both socially and materially.

Yes sensei, I'll bulkmaxx and zyzzmaxx ASAP and become ADONISSSSSSSSSS

 

[kretho]

cutting at 17 lol, i was already done at 15. but good thread for the late ones

 

[Debetro]

You're already in your 20s and have absolutely nothing to show for it, both socially and materially.

Don't remind me please.

 

[wojak]

cutting at 17 lol, i was already done at 15. but good thread for the late ones

thank you this is what i was getting at @Eltrē

 

[kranerman23123]

"Brooo just be incel for the majority of your youth, gatis said over 15 micronooooooootrients will make me chad broo"
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See this is the sad part to me. If it was about eating right and making sure you grow right so you can be healthy and GL and prepared for adulthood thats different, but you kids here are trying to ascend RIGHT NOW so you can be a popular kid by next year. The reality is that highschool dating functions a lot differently than the real world and if you looking to sprout into a social butterfly at school the moment you ascend that is the wrong way to look at looksmaxxing and you essentially fell for the BP equivalent of the PUA scam. Be BP aware, eat healthy, know that looks are important, and if you really want to use peptides or something than go ahead with research its your body, but dont look it as something that will save your childhood. Enjoy your youth and make solid friendships now otherwise you will be perma neet and ND and looksmaxxing wont save you from those two things in adulthood.

 

[wojak]

See this is the sad part to me. If it was about eating right and making sure you grow right so you can be healthy and GL and prepared for adulthood thats different, but you kids here are trying to ascend RIGHT NOW so you can be a popular kid by next year. The reality is that highschool dating functions a lot differently than the real world and if you looking to sprout into a social butterfly at school the moment you ascend that is the wrong way to look at looksmaxxing and you essentially fell for the BP equivalent of the PUA scam. Be BP aware, eat healthy, know that looks are important, and if you really want to use peptides or something than go ahead with research its your body, but dont look it as something that will save your childhood. Enjoy your youth and make solid friendships now otherwise you will be perma neet and ND and looksmaxxing wont save you from those two things in adulthood.

These kids just want to lean out and be a chad with their undeveloped bones, not realising that they change as you age. The whole point of this post was to explain to those who are 14-18 that doing the basics and setting the right foundations for your body to develop into adulthood is vital. They'll neglect exercising, they won't drink water, they'll eat like shit and they'll rot on .org looking at edits and researching hardmaxxing methods - it's all just backwards.

 

[Eltrē]

See this is the sad part to me. If it was about eating right and making sure you grow right so you can be healthy and GL and prepared for adulthood thats different, but you kids here are trying to ascend RIGHT NOW so you can be a popular kid by next year. The reality is that highschool dating functions a lot differently than the real world and if you looking to sprout into a social butterfly at school the moment you ascend that is the wrong way to look at looksmaxxing and you essentially fell for the BP equivalent of the PUA scam. Be BP aware, eat healthy, know that looks are important, and if you really want to use peptides or something than go ahead with research its your body, but dont look it as something that will save your childhood. Enjoy your youth and make solid friendships now otherwise you will be perma neet and ND and looksmaxxing wont save you from those two things in adulthood.

I agree with everything you said but the problem is that the teenage userbase here is mainly composed of 2 groups of people, the highschool losers and the humble braggers.

In both cases it doesn't matter, the former are already unable to properly fit in from the get-go and so they use PSL as a last resort & the latter fit in regardless.

 

[wojak]

I agree with everything you said but the problem is that the teenage userbase here is mainly composed of 2 groups of people, the highschool losers and the humble braggers.

In both cases it doesn't matter, the former are already unable to properly fit in from the get-go and so they use PSL as a last resort & the latter fit in regardless.

Ok so what points of mine do you disagree with?

 

[wojak]

Learn what? There is no such thing as a second puberty in your early 20s

How old are you?

 

[IraniancelV2]

How old are you?

18. It doesn't matter, that's complete pseudoscience. Show any proof of this "second puberty".

 

[Eltrē]

Ok so what points of mine do you disagree with?

Getting to a low enough bodyfat percentage can transform the face, you giving them false hope that bulking up and going to the gym is somehow going to affect their development is you ruining any chance of them developing socially properly.

If they bulk up as you tell them to I guarantee they'll be shunned for being an obese monkey in the prettyboy era, you're setting them up for failure.
Most of your facial growth is finished by the time you're a child and there's no such thing as a second puberty.

Your post is blatant misinformation to ruin people's youths.

 

[luca_.]

You're already in your 20s and have absolutely nothing to show for it, both socially and materially.

Yes sensei, I'll bulkmaxx and zyzzmaxx ASAP and become ADONISSSSSSSSSS
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From Jeffrey to adonissss my ascension plan:
-mk677

 

[wojak]

18. It doesn't matter, that's complete pseudoscience. Show any proof of this "second puberty".

What actually happens after 18?​

1. Skeletal growth isn’t finished
   • Long bones fuse at different ages — some as late as 21–25.
   • Example: the clavicle (collarbone) keeps lengthening into your early 20s, which affects shoulder width.
   • [Source: NIH / Orthopedic studies on epiphyseal plate fusion].
2. Muscle and bone density continue to increase
   • Peak bone mass is usually reached around 25–30.
   • Lean muscle mass also continues to climb into the early 20s if nutrition/training are adequate.
   • [Source: Journal of Endocrinology, "Peak Bone Mass Development"].
3. Brain development
   • The prefrontal cortex (decision-making, impulse control) isn’t fully matured until around 25.
   • Hormones like testosterone and estrogen still fluctuate and stabilise during this period.
4. Hormonal maturation
   • Testosterone peaks for men around 19–20, and remains high into the early 20s before gradually tapering.
   • This is why strength, muscle response, and libido are all heightened in that window.

 

[luca_.]

Getting to a low enough bodyfat percentage can transform the face, you giving them false hope that bulking up and going to the gym is somehow going to affect their development is you ruining any chance of them developing socially properly.

If they bulk up as you tell them to I guarantee they'll be shunned for being an obese monkey in the prettyboy era, you're setting them up for failure.
Most of your facial growth is finished by the time you're a child and there's no such thing as a second puberty.

Your post is blatant misinformation to ruin peoples youths.

Unless you’re at an unhealthy weight or bf% bulking is utter bullshit. You would get fat and gain the same amount of muscle you would get from a 100 calorie surplus

 

[IraniancelV2]

What actually happens after 18?​

1. Skeletal growth isn’t finished
   • Long bones fuse at different ages — some as late as 21–25.
   • Example: the clavicle (collarbone) keeps lengthening into your early 20s, which affects shoulder width.
   • [Source: NIH / Orthopedic studies on epiphyseal plate fusion].
2. Muscle and bone density continue to increase
   • Peak bone mass is usually reached around 25–30.
   • Lean muscle mass also continues to climb into the early 20s if nutrition/training are adequate.
   • [Source: Journal of Endocrinology, "Peak Bone Mass Development"].
3. Brain development
   • The prefrontal cortex (decision-making, impulse control) isn’t fully matured until around 25.
   • Hormones like testosterone and estrogen still fluctuate and stabilise during this period.
4. Hormonal maturation
   • Testosterone peaks for men around 19–20, and remains high into the early 20s before gradually tapering.
   • This is why strength, muscle response, and libido are all heightened in that window.

DNR JewG(ay)PT slop.

Everything you mentioned is done by 99% at 18.

That's also not a second puberty. Just the very last insignificant development from your first puberty.

 

[davidlaidisme67]

fr its sad while on one hand I wish I got blackpilled a bit earlier I also think its sad to see 14 yr olds on here talking about roping worrying about their height and thinking about surgery when i was 14 I was pretending to be apart of lizard squad and hacking on gmod i literally was completely carefree and did not give a fuck about how I looked. Its a double edged sword though. I think this is too much for a kids young brain ngl

hacking gmod??? Fuck man the nostalgia just hit me

 

[luca_.]

What actually happens after 18?​

1. Skeletal growth isn’t finished
   • Long bones fuse at different ages — some as late as 21–25.
   • Example: the clavicle (collarbone) keeps lengthening into your early 20s, which affects shoulder width.
   • [Source: NIH / Orthopedic studies on epiphyseal plate fusion].
2. Muscle and bone density continue to increase
   • Peak bone mass is usually reached around 25–30.
   • Lean muscle mass also continues to climb into the early 20s if nutrition/training are adequate.
   • [Source: Journal of Endocrinology, "Peak Bone Mass Development"].
3. Brain development
   • The prefrontal cortex (decision-making, impulse control) isn’t fully matured until around 25.
   • Hormones like testosterone and estrogen still fluctuate and stabilise during this period.
4. Hormonal maturation
   • Testosterone peaks for men around 19–20, and remains high into the early 20s before gradually tapering.
   • This is why strength, muscle response, and libido are all heightened in that window.

Yeah by peak bone mass it means that your bones will stop remodeling. By that age your skull is 100% done growing

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

Yeah by peak bone mass it means that your bones will stop remodeling. By that age your skull is 100% done growing

Sybau

 

[Eltrē]

Getting to a low enough bodyfat percentage can transform the face, you giving them false hope that bulking up and going to the gym is somehow going to affect their development is you ruining any chance of them developing socially properly.

If they bulk up as you tell them to I guarantee they'll be shunned for being an obese monkey in the prettyboy era, you're setting them up for failure.
Most of your facial growth is finished by the time you're a child and there's no such thing as a second puberty.

Your post is blatant misinformation to ruin people's youths.

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Lost all my forum aura, goodbye everyone...

 

[kranerman23123]

Unless you’re at an unhealthy weight or bf% bulking is utter bullshit. You would get fat and gain the same amount of muscle you would get from a 100 calorie surplus

Or on roids. If you are a growing kid you should always be eating high protein at maitenence calories which will rapidly shift. Any over eating will encourage fat growth and estrogen and any under eating will stunt growth and lower testosterone. Its tricky. I would say its a bit safer to overshoot while growing but as long as you are eating extremely high protein alot of that mass gained during youth will be muscle and if you start gaining fat just slowly cut calories

 

[luca_.]

Sybau

Holy shit shut the fuck up curry you’re mad at me because you don’t look as good as you think. You’re failos outweigh your good features and now you’re mad at me because I didn’t kiss you in the ass

 

[wojak]

Getting to a low enough bodyfat percentage can transform the face, you giving them false hope that bulking up and going to the gym is somehow going to affect their development is you ruining any chance of them developing socially properly.

If they bulk up as you tell them to I guarantee they'll be shunned for being an obese monkey in the prettyboy era, you're setting them up for failure.
Most of your facial growth is finished by the time you're a child and there's no such thing as a second puberty.

Your post is blatant misinformation to ruin people's youths.

Nobody said anything about bulking up to the point of being obese. You need muscle and you need a normal bodyfat percentage. Not a high bodyfat percentage and no muscle. It goes without saying.

 

[kranerman23123]

Yeah by peak bone mass it means that your bones will stop remodeling. By that age your skull is 100% done growing

What most people attribute to facial growth is just the fat pads restructuring in early 20s which is a very apparent change. If you mog at 18 you will mog very hard after you lose babyfat though

 

[wojak]

Yeah by peak bone mass it means that your bones will stop remodeling. By that age your skull is 100% done growing

My skull changed at 19 though?

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

Holy shit shut the fuck up curry you’re mad at me because you don’t look as good as you think. You’re failos outweigh your good features and now you’re mad at me because I didn’t kiss you in the ass

I don’t want to hear it lol, stay ugly

 

[luca_.]

My skull changed at 19 though?

What most people attribute to facial growth is just the fat pads restructuring in early 20s which is a very apparent change. If you mog at 18 you will mog very hard after you lose babyfat though

 

[luca_.]

I don’t want to hear it lol, stay ugly

@Gaygymmaxx you upset the curry and now he’s mad at me!!! Get this rabid dog out of here

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

@Gaygymmaxx you upset the curry and now he’s mad at me!!! Get this rabid dog out of here

I’m on my @Blackgymmax arc now ngl

Fuck all of you

 

[luca_.]

I’m on my @Blackgymmax arc now ngl

Fuck all of you

Better start saving up money for those surgeries then

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

Better start saving up money for those surgeries then

Kys

 

[wojak]

What most people attribute to facial growth is just the fat pads restructuring in early 20s which is a very apparent change. If you mog at 18 you will mog very hard after you lose babyfat though

@luca_. -- (incoming "dnr")

It’s not just fat redistribution. The human skull keeps changing into the early 20s:

• Jaw & facial bones – The mandible and maxilla can keep growing/remodeling until around 21–25.
• Bone remodeling – Even after growth plates fuse, bones reshape in response to hormones, stress, and lifestyle.
• Clavicles & frame – Collarbone growth continues up to ~25, broadening shoulders and altering facial proportions.
• Peak bone mass – Bones (including the skull) densify until about 25–30, giving features a more “adult” look.
• Scientific studies – PubMed and anthropology research confirm craniofacial growth isn’t finished at 18.

That’s why people often look noticeably different at 18 vs 23 — the skull itself matures, not just the fat on top.

 

[luca_.]

@luca_. -- (incoming "dnr")

It’s not just fat redistribution. The human skull keeps changing into the early 20s:

• Jaw & facial bones – The mandible and maxilla can keep growing/remodeling until around 21–25.
• Bone remodeling – Even after growth plates fuse, bones reshape in response to hormones, stress, and lifestyle.
• Clavicles & frame – Collarbone growth continues up to ~25, broadening shoulders and altering facial proportions.
• Peak bone mass – Bones (including the skull) densify until about 25–30, giving features a more “adult” look.
• Scientific studies – PubMed and anthropology research confirm craniofacial growth isn’t finished at 18.

That’s why people often look noticeably different at 18 vs 23 — the skull itself matures, not just the fat on top.

Last time Im bumping your shitty thread

Also bone remodeling is very different from your bones growing. Also while your craniofacial growth isn’t fully complete. That doesn’t mean it will make a difference. Your skull is 80% done before you enter puberty. If you have 1% left of craniofacial growth don’t expect it to change your face drastically

 

[wojak]

Also bone remodeling is very different from your bones growing. Also while your craniofacial growth isn’t fully complete. That doesn’t mean it will make a difference. Your skull is 80% done before you enter puberty. If you have 1% left of craniofacial growth don’t expect it to change your face drastically

Even a few millimeters of growth in the jaw (mandible/maxilla) between 18–25 can sharpen the jawline, change bite alignment, and alter facial appearance. On top of that, bone density and angles remodel - brows, cheekbones, and jawlines get more pronounced. Forensics literally use these skull changes to tell an 18-year-old from a 25-year-old. So yeah, it’s more than just fat.

I'm not disputing that the majority of your bone development happens earlier on, but you're completely disregarding the later changes? lol.

 

[suicidemonkey]

Or on roids. If you are a growing kid you should always be eating high protein at maitenence calories which will rapidly shift. Any over eating will encourage fat growth and estrogen and any under eating will stunt growth and lower testosterone. Its tricky. I would say its a bit safer to overshoot while growing but as long as you are eating extremely high protein alot of that mass gained during youth will be muscle and if you start gaining fat just slowly cut calories

I've spoken to multiple professionals out of pure paranoia, it is harder stunt your growth/development than you think.

 

[wojak]

These kids just want to lean out and be a chad with their undeveloped bones, not realising that they change as you age. The whole point of this post was to explain to those who are 14-18 that doing the basics and setting the right foundations for your body to develop into adulthood is vital. They'll neglect exercising, they won't drink water, they'll eat like shit and they'll rot on .org looking at edits and researching hardmaxxing methods - it's all just backwards.

@luca_. -- completely missing the point of this thread buddy.

 

[suicidemonkey]

@luca_. -- completely missing the point of this thread buddy.

Literally look at photos of identical twins separated at birth, there's pretty much always only minimal differences.

It also isn't always clear who developed "better" per say.

 

[kranerman23123]

I've spoken to multiple professionals out of pure paranoia, it is harder stunt your growth/development than you think.

Bluepilled. You have to think of it from a perspective of thermodynamics. You cant grow one pound if you dont atleast eat one pound