how to dismantle the problem of evil in 2 steps

[LefortCandidate]

problem of evil has 2 types : emotional and logical

logical says that an all loving god and evil existing isn't compatible

answer : burden of proof is on him to prove that god doesn't a reason to allow evil to exsist, proving a negative is so heavy and impossible in this case bc you have to be god yourself to know that he doesn't have a good reason to allow it, also he is put in a 100 iq vs infinite iq type situatiion


emotional is when they bring up kids dying or some shit

answer : just say its a test or wtv and to deserve a world without evil you have to be deserving of it

 

[Tenres]

Well its more of a religion specific argument. If God is logically consistent and your religion is too, then we can deduce what the world would be like if it was governed by the laws that the religion says.

Not articulating it the best but most theologians don't argue this way because it basically concedes that we don't understand God's reasoning or morality which is logically consistent but loses the authority of the religion, and of even listening to God. Because God is no longer understandable to us, and can do anything (morally) without contradiction.

 

[LefortCandidate]

Well its more of a religion specific argument. If God is logically consistent and your religion is too, then we can deduce what the world would be like if it was governed by the laws that the religion says.

Not articulating it the best but most theologians don't argue this way because it basically concedes that we don't understand God's reasoning or morality which is logically consistent but loses the authority of the religion, and of even listening to God. Because God is no longer understandable to us, and can do anything (morally) without contradiction.

this is not religion specefic

even if it was i don't think it makes religion less authoritative since most religions agree that we aren't supposed to understand god's wisdom

 

[Tenres]

this is not religion specefic

even if it was i don't think it makes religion less authoritative since most religions agree that we aren't supposed to understand god's wisdom

Nah, I meant the problem of evil is generally going to be religion specific because whether a religion considers the state of the world to be "evil" or more properly "the best possible world" would depend on their specific ideology. However, most Abrahamic religions tell people to act in a certain way and that it will make the world a better place to be. Which means that, given that not everybody acts that way: We do not live in the best possible world --> because the world would be better if everyone believed and followed it's teachings.

That's the moral dilemma, but it would depend on the religion and particular beliefs. For example the argument I gave is usually responded to by the necessity of free will for a good world. I think this isn't a great argument, but I digress.

We are supposed to follow God's teaching which necessitates that they are stable (won't suddenly change) and they are intelligible (able to be understood by the person being judged). If God is truly beyond our understanding, then we can't truly say these teachings will remain stable or that we understand them fully. There's so many ways you can go with this but in general I think religious ideologies in general do a bad job at explaining the world.