How to find Cheaper Blackpilled Surgeons?

[Deleted member 21048]

Depending on the surgery most users here spit out the same ppl for Bimax: Sailer, Alfaro, Raffani, Coceanig These Jews are charging a simple Lefort 1 + BSSO for 40k+ avg

Even Ramieri and Pagnoni prices are getting up there 20k+ For which the avg NEET and Rotters here can't really afford to ascend

As for Implants Jeweppley, and Pags, Yaremchuk Expect 10k+ minimum. Also for eyes even Taban who is overrated and overpriced imo charging 30k for a simple lower eyelid retraction

I'm not saying these surgeons are bad. They mog the shit out of the avg bluepilled botcher surgeon.

But there's gotta be more out there who can do a good Bimax that doesn't charge a fortune. I heard maybe Asia or South America? @Lorsss

I also saw some decent eye surgerons in turkey or Europe who are way cheaper then Taban.

I guess the best bet is to research some core areas such as italy, turkey, korea to find some surgeons who are knowledgeable enough that won't charge a fortune?

But I guess in the end you get what u pay for

 

[Artemis]

Depending on the surgery most users here spit out the same ppl for Bimax: Sailer, Alfaro, Raffani, Coceanig These Jews are charging a simple Lefort 1 + BSSO for 40k+ avg

Even Ramieri and Pagnoni prices are getting up there 20k+ For which the avg NEET and Rotters here can't really afford to ascend

As for Implants Jeweppley, and Pags, Yaremchuk Expect 10k+ minimum. Also for eyes even Taban who is overrated and overpriced imo charging 30k for a simple lower eyelid retraction

I'm not saying these surgeons are bad. They mog the shit out of the avg bluepilled botcher surgeon.

But there's gotta be more out there who can do a good Bimax that doesn't charge a fortune. I heard maybe Asia or South America? @Lorsss

I also saw some decent eye surgerons in turkey or Europe who are way cheaper then Taban.

I guess the best bet is to research some core areas such as italy, turkey, korea to find some surgeons who are knowledgeable enough that won't charge a fortune?

But I guess in the end you get what u pay for

You just go to Turkey. That's it.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

You just go to Turkey. That's it.

Is Turkroach LL a good idea?

 

[Red Fox]

But I guess in the end you get what u pay for

Not always. Quality doesn't always depend on price when it comes to products... (bad quality can be expensive, and vice versa)

 

[Artemis]

Is Turkroach LL a good idea?

Depends on the species.

Unfortunately, with some UNIQUE procedures advertised here, you do not really choose, because there are like 2-10 people with track record doing them in the whole world. E.g. such procedures are LL, infraorbital SADDLE implants, supraorbital/forehead implants, OBO, almond eye surgery, vertical high-smas subperiosteal facelifts.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Not always. Quality doesn't always depend on price when it comes to products... (bad quality can be expensive, and vice versa)

I could get LL in India rn for 1k rupees and end up like that 5'11 guy (Cheap Price/Bad Quality)

But even then U.S surgeons charge 25k for a Bluepilled rhino which ends up being shit (Expensive Price/Bad Quality)

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Depends on the species.

Unfortunately, with some UNIQUE procedures advertised here, you do not really choose, because there are like 2-10 people with track record doing them in the whole world. E.g. such procedures are LL, infraorbital SADDLE implants, supraorbital/forehead implants, OBO, almond eye surgery, vertical high-smas subperiosteal facelifts.

Yes I'm aware but my main focus was finding good Bimax surgeons for cheaper. But I just added in other surgeries into the thread just because. Yes for saddled implants Afaik Pags and Eppley only do saddle

 

[flippasav]

What I would say is save up money for WHATEVER you need. Do not waste it on fillers that would dissolve in the future shortly. Ll surgery but only get implants and no plastic surgery to prevent looking gay

 

[makeme183]

As for Implants Jeweppley, and Pags, Yaremchuk Expect 10k+ minimum.

who's the best implant surgeon in the US ?

Also for eyes even Taban who is overrated and overpriced imo charging 30k for a simple lower eyelid retraction

is taban worth it ?
all his results are shit except melanie trump

 

[Deleted member 21048]

who's the best implant surgeon in the US ?

is taban worth it ?
all his results are shit except melanie trump

For USA probably Eppley or Yaremchuk.

Depends on how bad your eyes are and what procedures u want. Plenty of users here went to Turkey or somewhere and got results similar to Taban.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Pagnoni custom trimax + infras + supras is only 32k.

When you get lots done at once the prices drop. If you live in a first world country you should be able to save 32K if you arent lazy

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Pagnoni custom trimax + infras + supras is only 32k.

When you get lots done at once the prices drop. If you live in a first world country you should be able to save 32K if you arent lazy

Yeah at this point, I'm considering Pags since I have the funds. But I'm a ugly guy so is the risk/reward ratio worth it for such a price. But the surgeon/surgery plan should ascend me?

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Live in UK, make £11 an hour, work 60 hours a week, do this for a year = 32k (before tax)

You could do 80 hours, 90 hours, 100... you just have to grit your teeth and do it

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Yeah at this point, I'm considering Pags since I have the funds. But I'm a ugly guy so is the risk/ratio worth it for such a price. But the surgeon/surgery plan should ascend me?

That is up to you. Only you can decide that for yourself, just about everyone would ascend with Bimax and implants but 99.999% of the population don't care enough to go through with it, and thats fine.

 

[Red Fox]

I could get LL in India rn for 1k rupees and end up like that 5'11 guy (Cheap Price/Bad Quality)

But even then U.S surgeons charge 25k for a Bluepilled rhino which ends up being shit (Expensive Price/Bad Quality)

Very true. Even in America and Europe, there are enormous differences in quality/competence of the doctor and hospitals... I experienced that first hand, and did research on it. Sometimes how much a doctors (especially plastic surgeons) charge/earn can say something about their quality, but not always. Yeah, about the rhino thing... my dad got his nose done in Switzerland, which is usually top in terms of healthcare (in Europe at least) but he's not happy with his rhino. He got it done in a private hospital.

I'd talk to different doctosr, read reviews online (though they can be fake), get a feeling for his knowledge, etc. If you talk to a doctor who says/suggests something completely different than the 3 other doctors you've talked to, he might be wrong.

Of course buying a product like headphones or a coffee machine or a lawn mower or some other shit, is different. But on most expensive things I/we buy we consult objective tests from reliable institutions/websites, and over the past 10 years we have done this, we found that you can get a good product for half the price of a mediocre or even trash product. Unfortunately, there is no "Consumer Reports Magazine" that tests surgeons.

What I'm trying to say is, a doctor's website can be fancy, his office can be fancy, and he might charge a lot, but I wouldn't depend alone on price. Although personally I'd say even good doctors get the occasional bad review.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

That is up to you. Only you can decide that for yourself, just about everyone would ascend with Bimax and implants but 99.999% of the population don't care enough to go through with it, and thats fine.

Yeah I agree, Pags lvl of expertise and knowledge for his price isn't even bad tbh. So i might just consult with him

But my initial question is how to find similar unknown surgeons who are just as good for cheaper

 

[Artemis]

Yes I'm aware but my main focus was finding good Bimax surgeons for cheaper. But I just added in other surgeries into the thread just because. Yes for saddled implants Afaik Pags and Eppley only do saddle

Bimax is more of a common procedure. So you CAN choose at least. THe problem is Maxfacs do not usually advertise on insta, because most people would never do jaw breaking for aesthetic reasons only. So, you have to write to people, and find the one who is going to perform it cheaper on you. So, turkey is a legit choice. You need to search in their internet space (in turkish with google translate)

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Yeah I agree, Pags lvl of expertise and knowledge for his price isn't even bad tbh. So i might just consult with him

But my initial question is how to find similar unknown surgeons who are just as good for cheaper

Contact giant.implants (@RealSurgerymax) , he knows many surgeons to work with that people on here haven't even heard of

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Bimax is more of a common procedure. So you CAN choose at least. THe problem is Maxfacs do not usually advertise on insta, because most people would never do jaw breaking for aesthetic reasons only. So, you have to write to people, and find the one who is going to perform it cheaper on you. So, turkey is a legit choice. You need to search in their internet space (in turkish with google translate)

Bimax isn't even a plastic/cosmetic surgery? Its more functional/common even reddit normies get djs

 

[Artemis]

Bimax isn't even a plastic/cosmetic surgery? Its more functional/common even reddit normies get djs

Most people do it for functional reasons, not for cosmetic reasons. ANd it is common. Just not advertised as much as e.g. rhino.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

Iran

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Iran

Do they do OBO or Lefort 3?

 

[nitesik]

Depending on the surgery most users here spit out the same ppl for Bimax: Sailer, Alfaro, Raffani, Coceanig These Jews are charging a simple Lefort 1 + BSSO for 40k+ avg

Even Ramieri and Pagnoni prices are getting up there 20k+ For which the avg NEET and Rotters here can't really afford to ascend

As for Implants Jeweppley, and Pags, Yaremchuk Expect 10k+ minimum. Also for eyes even Taban who is overrated and overpriced imo charging 30k for a simple lower eyelid retraction

I'm not saying these surgeons are bad. They mog the shit out of the avg bluepilled botcher surgeon.

But there's gotta be more out there who can do a good Bimax that doesn't charge a fortune. I heard maybe Asia or South America? @Lorsss

I also saw some decent eye surgerons in turkey or Europe who are way cheaper then Taban.

I guess the best bet is to research some core areas such as italy, turkey, korea to find some surgeons who are knowledgeable enough that won't charge a fortune?

But I guess in the end you get what u pay for

Make money I guess.

You can save up 50k in US after working for a 1-3 years

 

[Deleted member 17244]

Pagnoni custom trimax + infras + supras is only 32k.

When you get lots done at once the prices drop. If you live in a first world country you should be able to save 32K if you arent lazy

Only 32k jfl bro i need 8 years to save up this amount of money

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Only 32k jfl bro i need 8 years to save up this amount of money

Over

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Only 32k jfl bro i need 8 years to save up this amount of money

Location? Also u in uni bro?

 

[Deleted member 17244]

Location? Also u in uni bro?

Nope im neet and sometimes work

Poland

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Is Pagnoni good with eye surgery? Taban is so expensive.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Nope im neet and sometimes work

Poland

I thought u said you were in New York, USA once idk. Also the economy is shit in Poland?

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Is Pagnoni good with eye surgery? Taban is so expensive.

Idk how he is with soft-tissue work, but he has performed some canthos on ppl here.

 

[viniciussdc]

Depending on the surgery most users here spit out the same ppl for Bimax: Sailer, Alfaro, Raffani, Coceanig These Jews are charging a simple Lefort 1 + BSSO for 40k+ avg

Even Ramieri and Pagnoni prices are getting up there 20k+ For which the avg NEET and Rotters here can't really afford to ascend

As for Implants Jeweppley, and Pags, Yaremchuk Expect 10k+ minimum. Also for eyes even Taban who is overrated and overpriced imo charging 30k for a simple lower eyelid retraction

I'm not saying these surgeons are bad. They mog the shit out of the avg bluepilled botcher surgeon.

But there's gotta be more out there who can do a good Bimax that doesn't charge a fortune. I heard maybe Asia or South America? @Lorsss

I also saw some decent eye surgerons in turkey or Europe who are way cheaper then Taban.

I guess the best bet is to research some core areas such as italy, turkey, korea to find some surgeons who are knowledgeable enough that won't charge a fortune?

But I guess in the end you get what u pay for

There is dr. Augusto Pary and his wife, dr. Katyuscia, for bone surgeries.
There is dr. Jorge Fernandes for implants
and dr. Jose Antonio Garcia Piña for IMDO. The first three are located in Brazil and the last one in Mexico.

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

did you get a consult w/ ramieri? fags office takes days to respond, weblink asks for 150 euros and his texts are asking for 152.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

did you get a consult w/ ramieri? fags office takes days to respond, weblink asks for 150 euros and his texts are asking for 152.

I haven't consulted with anyone, I'm not even of age yet lol

 

[green]

Depends on the species.

Unfortunately, with some UNIQUE procedures advertised here, you do not really choose, because there are like 2-10 people with track record doing them in the whole world. E.g. such procedures are LL, infraorbital SADDLE implants, supraorbital/forehead implants, OBO, almond eye surgery, vertical high-smas subperiosteal facelifts.

Who does these: infraorbital SADDLE implants, supraorbital/forehead implants

 

[Artemis]

Who does these: infraorbital SADDLE implants, supraorbital/forehead implants

Pagnoni has the best track record AFAIK. but BEWARE. `the results are scattered, and cherry picked.

It is quite possible that he botched more people than Sasha Grey saw dicks in her life. You just never saw them.

 

[Mouthbreath]

I've pulled a couple of teeth and removed some splinters. If you want I can perform bimax on you in my kitchen. I would learn the procedure with youtube videos.

 

[Scorpioned]

There is dr. Augusto Pary and his wife, dr. Katyuscia, for bone surgeries.
There is dr. Jorge Fernandes for implants
and dr. Jose Antonio Garcia Piña for IMDO. The first three are located in Brazil and the last one in Mexico.

There are people still recommending pary on this clown forum

https://www.jusbrasil.com.br/processos/nome/188538533/augusto-henrique-goncalves-azevedo-pary

he s a botcher

 

[viniciussdc]

There are people still recommending pary on this clown forum

https://www.jusbrasil.com.br/processos/nome/188538533/augusto-henrique-goncalves-azevedo-pary

he s a botcher

If you plan on getting surgery only with surgeons who never botched anyone, then it’s best that you never have surgery. EVERY surgeon has botched or will, eventually, botch someone.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

If you plan on getting surgery only with surgeons who never botched anyone, then it’s best that you never have surgery. EVERY surgeon has botched or will, eventually, botch someone.

Even pagnoni has botched and he has lots of meat riders here. As well as Alfaro

 

[Scorpioned]

If you plan on getting surgery only with surgeons who never botched anyone, then it’s best that you never have surgery. EVERY surgeon has botched or will, eventually, botch someone.

He's a scammer
He's not even a real maxillo facial but a dentist
If you want to have surgery you minimise the risks, you don't go to some shady surgeon who's buying followers on insta and has plenty lawsuits just because he posted some cherrypicked before/after

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

the reason they cost more is they give better results (except eppley. fuck that guy.)

also there ain't no way in hell skimping on LL is worth. you have to pay the fuck up

you get what u pay for

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

anyway if you want the best bang for your buck I'd go around looking at instagram results tagged with your planned surgery then look for similar cases as you with best improvement then see what their pricing is and compare. taking into account stuff like recovery, proximity etc as well. recovering from LL in a foreign country will also increase expenses

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Pagnoni has the best track record AFAIK. but BEWARE. `the results are scattered, and cherry picked.

It is quite possible that he botched more people than Sasha Grey saw dicks in her life. You just never saw them.

often there are facebook groups or obscure threads for this if you google ">surgeon name< {botch/bad result/worse/disappointed} forum thread"
or like "pagnoni botch site:jawsurgeryforums.com"

 

[viniciussdc]

He's a scammer
He's not even a real maxillo facial but a dentist
If you want to have surgery you minimise the risks, you don't go to some shady surgeon who's buying followers on insta and has plenty lawsuits just because he posted some cherrypicked before/after

Of course he’s a dentist. In Brazil, oral and maxillofacial surgery is a dental specialty, not a medical one.
Where is the proof that he bought his followers?
In regards to his lawsuits, he has 11, but only 5 of them are because of malpractice. FIVE malpractice lawsuits for a surgeon who operates at least one patient per week, and has been doing so for more than ten years.

 

[Scorpioned]

Of course he’s a dentist. In Brazil, oral and maxillofacial surgery is a dental specialty, not a medical one.
Where is the proof that he bought his followers?
In regards to his lawsuits, he has 11, but only 5 of them are because of malpractice. FIVE malpractice lawsuits for a surgeon who operates at least one patient per week, and has been doing so for more than ten years.

Why are you dick riding him like this
I dont give a fuck if it's normal in brazil only retards will be willing to have a surgery with a subhuman looking surgeon that did shitty studies in a shithole country. He doesn't even know the anatomy of the face
Most people in Brazil that get surgery finish with nerve damages it's almost not avoidable
5 is fucking HUGE for a country where most people are not even trying to sue because of all the corruption and that it's not affordable for them
I can tell you he has plenty of other botched that came to Dr Chrzanowski to repair the mess or are hiding

 

[viniciussdc]

Why are you dick riding him like this
I dont give a fuck if it's normal in brazil only retards will be willing to have a surgery with a subhuman looking surgeon that did shitty studies in a shithole country. He doesn't even know the anatomy of the face
Most people in Brazil that get surgery finish with nerve damages it's almost not avoidable
5 is fucking HUGE for a country where most people are not even trying to sue because of all the corruption and that it's not affordable for them
I can tell you he has plenty of other botched that came to Dr Chrzanowski to repair the mess or are hiding

Why am I dick riding him? Why do you insist in bad mouth him? Is it because he is straight and didn’t want to fuck you?
Did you think that he is subhuman looking before or after he turned down your proposition for sex?
Show me the source that most people in Brazil who get surgery finish with nerve damage and that most people don’t even try to sue. Oh, yeah, the source is your sick mind. Better hop on your meds again, boyo.

 

[Scorpioned]

Why am I dick riding him? Why do you insist in bad mouth him? Is it because he is straight and didn’t want to fuck you?
Did you think that he is subhuman looking before or after he turned down your proposition for sex?
Show me the source that most people in Brazil who get surgery finish with nerve damage and that most people don’t even try to sue. Oh, yeah, the source is your sick mind. Better hop on your meds again, boyo.

Go in fb group ortognatica brazil and erro medico ortognatica
But keep sucking his subhuman dick if u want
U can check by yourself 76% of his wife followers are fake
You re one of the people promoting these shit surgeons like sunil richardson and then naive people get botched

There are good surgeons in brazil but he s not one of them, like Chrzanowski André Bim Pitta Galiano

 

[Cinnamonzito]

Go in fb group ortognatica brazil and erro medico ortognatica
But keep sucking his subhuman dick if u want
U can check by yourself 76% of his wife followers are fake
You re one of the people promoting these shit surgeons like sunil richardson and then naive people get botched

There are good surgeons in brazil but he s not one of them, like Chrzanowski André Bim Pitta Galiano

I'm looking for good surgeons on Brazil (Rio de Janeiro or São Paulo) who will not botch. Chrzanowski or Andre Bim are good ones? And Pary, should I not trust him?

 

[Cinnamonzito]

He's a scammer
He's not even a real maxillo facial but a dentist
If you want to have surgery you minimise the risks, you don't go to some shady surgeon who's buying followers on insta and has plenty lawsuits just because he posted some cherrypicked before/after

He's a real maxilo! Search on "CRO-RJ" Its a site for dentist and surgeons legally known. And Pary is Legally formed in maxillo. His CRO is: 28865

 

[Deleted member 18582]

It depends on what you mean by blackpilled

If you know exactly the type of movements you need you can find bimax in France, spain, italy... for 4-6k who does rotations and is willing to listen to aesthetic concerns

You would be best served just consulting with random nobodies until you find one who you sense is on the same page as you. Ultimately, if you find one to give you 16mm bsso, or whatever you need, it's not like pagnoni advancing your jaw 16mm is going to be imbued with some special magic as opposed to this nobody doing the same

They exist, they just don't market themselves in the same way these well known guys do.

the ONLY reason, I think, to go with someone like pagnon or ramieri is because you are doing custom implants on the same procedure. With them its like 3-5k an implant in addition to bimax. And maybe if you are doing something more exotic like jaw widening or some multipiece Lefort. but alone, those implants are 10k+. When implants are involved, their bimax prices become comparable to these random noboduies.