How to fix my long mid face

[ReccesedSlavic]

is it long or is it the fact that my chin to phitrum ratio is brutal?

 

[alarm1x]

it’s over bro

 

[vermicel]

Your midface is not long. It's your lower third that is poorly balanced (long philtrum, short chin, indeed).
Your wide dorsum, bulbous tip, and wide alar base, draw attention to your midface, making it more visually dominant than it is in terms of vertical thirds.

How to fix it ? Lip lift + genioplasty + rhinoplasty.

On a 2D morph, I can't reproduce the effect of a lip lift that would only shorten the philtrum without expanding the upper lip upward ; so use your imagination when reviewing the morph below.

As you can see in the last picture, your midface is not long relatively to the other two vertical thirds. Quite the opposite actually.
As your hairline is covered, the upper third can only be measured approximately ; the real proportions may vary from this picture.

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

Your midface is not long. It's your lower third that is poorly balanced (long philtrum, short chin, indeed).
Your wide dorsum, bulbous tip, and wide alar base, draw attention to your midface, making it more visually dominant than it is in terms of vertical thirds.

How to fix it ? Lip lift + genioplasty + rhinoplasty.

On a 2D morph, I can't reproduce the effect of a lip lift that would only shorten the philtrum without expanding the upper lip upward ; so use your imagination when reviewing the morph below.

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As you can see in the last picture, your midface is not long relatively to the other two vertical thirds. Quite the opposite actually.
As your hairline is covered, the upper third can only be measured approximately ; the real proportions may vary from this picture.

I look gay ash

 

[vermicel]

I look gay ash

That's because of the expanded upper lip. But if I don't expand it, then I can't simulate a shorter philtrum (without moving the nose downward and/or the mouth upward ... which is not realistic).
That's why I told you to use your imagination.

Anyway, it is possible to fix your problem, and the result would look better than on my morph (i.e. shorter philtrum, but no expanded upper lip).

 

[petrified]

is it long or is it the fact that my chin to phitrum ratio is brutal?

i have a similar jaw build, it’s so brutal tbh.
Realistically the only softmaxx you could do in order to give a illusion of a shorter midface is increasing the jaw size by masseter hypertrophy, but it’s honestly very shitty.

It’s very risky as it puts a lot of pressure on the jaw joints, for results that vary depending on your bone structure and insertions.
I tried achieving satisfactory hypertrophy, but had trouble picking up on size, and when I increased training intensity it gave me tmj issues.

Personally I’m gonna focus on maximizing joint health and statusmaxxing and then just hardmaxx.

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

That's because of the expanded upper lip. But if I don't expand it, then I can't simulate a shorter philtrum (without moving the nose downward and/or the mouth upward ... which is not realistic).
That's why I told you to use your imagination.

Anyway, it is possible to fix your problem, and it would look better than on my morph (i.e. shorter philtrum, but no expanded upper lip).

I’m avoiding rhino at all costs, don’t ask I have a class 2 bite but uh I’ll show you how it looks when I jut still long philtrum but better chin

 

[ascendtocl122]

Your midface is not long. It's your lower third that is poorly balanced (long philtrum, short chin, indeed).
Your wide dorsum, bulbous tip, and wide alar base, draw attention to your midface, making it more visually dominant than it is in terms of vertical thirds.

How to fix it ? Lip lift + genioplasty + rhinoplasty.

On a 2D morph, I can't reproduce the effect of a lip lift that would only shorten the philtrum without expanding the upper lip upward ; so use your imagination when reviewing the morph below.

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As you can see in the last picture, your midface is not long relatively to the other two vertical thirds. Quite the opposite actually.
As your hairline is covered, the upper third can only be measured approximately ; the real proportions may vary from this picture.

high effort, you can have a long midface relative to your fwhr though

 

[vermicel]

you can have a long midface relative to your fwhr though

His long philtrum definitely screws his midface ratio ; a bit less so his fwhr.

I’m avoiding rhino at all costs, don’t ask I have a class 2 bite but uh I’ll show you how it looks when I jut still long philtrum but better chin

Your nose looks a bit better on this picture, so I guess you'll be ok without a rhino.
On the other hand, lip lift and genio are probably mandatory for ascending.

I think I remember a previous post of yours ~2 months ago, under a different account ; you told us how a surgeon rejected your request for a jaw surgery, despite the obvious issue. Is that right ?

 

[MouthBreathingElite]

is it long or is it the fact that my chin to phitrum ratio is brutal?

Its over boyo

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

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His long philtrum definitely screws his midface ratio ; a bit less so his fwhr.


Your nose looks a bit better on this picture, so I guess you'll be ok without a rhino.
On the other hand, lip lift and genio are probably mandatory for ascending.

I think I remember a previous post of yours ~2 months ago, under a different account ; you told us how a surgeon rejected your request for a jaw surgery, despite the obvious issue. Is that right ?

Different account no this is my first time on .org

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

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His long philtrum definitely screws his midface ratio ; a bit less so his fwhr.


Your nose looks a bit better on this picture, so I guess you'll be ok without a rhino.
On the other hand, lip lift and genio are probably mandatory for ascending.

I think I remember a previous post of yours ~2 months ago, under a different account ; you told us how a surgeon rejected your request for a jaw surgery, despite the obvious issue. Is that right ?

Planning BSSO, Genio for sure, eventually I’ll get a lip lift once it’s planned right I can get BSSO for free but my mother opposes the idea

 

[mohito]

Either get a lip lift to lower the lip to brow distance or go for le fort ii, where they move the maxilla upward and forward to improve midface projection.

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

Its over boyo

Overrrrr

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

Either get a lip lift to lower the lip to brow distance or go for le fort ii, where they move the maxilla upward and forward to improve midface projection.

Lefort 2 sure let me wait 10 years for Gaint to reply to my message

 

[mohito]

Different account no this is my first time on .org

So you're saying u aren't howtobasic

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

So you're saying u aren't howtobasic

Nah

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

philtrum is calling

 

[ascendtocl122]

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His long philtrum definitely screws his midface ratio ; a bit less so his fwhr.


Your nose looks a bit better on this picture, so I guess you'll be ok without a rhino.
On the other hand, lip lift and genio are probably mandatory for ascending.

I think I remember a previous post of yours ~2 months ago, under a different account ; you told us how a surgeon rejected your request for a jaw surgery, despite the obvious issue. Is that right ?

gg for high effort thread, ur really helping people man it’s exactly what the forum needs props to u

 

[Scriggan]

Guess whos calling

 

[erickdoox]

Guess whos calling

 

[t3000]

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His long philtrum definitely screws his midface ratio ; a bit less so his fwhr.


Your nose looks a bit better on this picture, so I guess you'll be ok without a rhino.
On the other hand, lip lift and genio are probably mandatory for ascending.

I think I remember a previous post of yours ~2 months ago, under a different account ; you told us how a surgeon rejected your request for a jaw surgery, despite the obvious issue. Is that right ?

what app are u using?

 

[vermicel]

what app are u using?

It's not an app. I posted a quick tutorial here : https://looksmax.org/threads/need-surgery-advice.1767959/#post-25355471
I used the Ruler (see link above) to measure his face and then calculated ratios separately. Maybe are there faster ways to do it through a few apps, but I haven't searched alternatives and actually quite like the flexibility of taking measurements myself.

gg for high effort thread, ur really helping people man it’s exactly what the forum needs props to u

Too kind of you. I'm just doing autistic scribbles at the kids' table while grown ups are debating surgical theories & techniques.


@ReccesedSlavic just for fun, I altered the last pic you've posted.

Altered vertical thirds' ratios are 32-32-36 % ; close to ideal, if not ideal with a lower third that is more masculine/dominant than average.

-> Softmaxxes
- minoxidil + microneedling for eyebrow thickening
- fat loss.

-> Hardmaxxes :
- hairline lowering / forehead reduction (no hair transplant)
- fillers to increase jawline angularity and even things out
- genioplasty
- lip lift
- potentially a lower lip reduction if lip support isn't significantly improved by genio
- potentially a buccal fat removal if general fat loss doesn't shrink your cheeks' fat pads enough

You have top tier coloring and a rather good base for ascending. I think you can become quite handsome if you put in the work.

While we're at it, here's a morph of the side profile you have posted in another thread :

 

[ReccesedSlavic]

It's not an app. I posted a quick tutorial here : https://looksmax.org/threads/need-surgery-advice.1767959/#post-25355471
I used the Ruler (see link above) to measure his face and then calculated ratios separately. Maybe are there faster ways to do it through a few apps, but I haven't searched alternatives and actually quite like the flexibility of taking measurements myself.


Too kind of you. I'm just doing autistic scribbles at the kids' table while grown ups are debating surgical theories & techniques.


@ReccesedSlavic just for fun, I altered the last pic you've posted.

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Altered vertical thirds' ratios are 32-32-36 % ; close to ideal, if not ideal with a lower third that is more masculine/dominant than average.

-> Softmaxxes
- minoxidil + microneedling for eyebrow thickening
- fat loss.

-> Hardmaxxes :
- hairline lowering / forehead reduction (no hair transplant)
- fillers to increase jawline angularity and even things out
- genioplasty
- lip lift
- potentially a lower lip reduction if lip support isn't significantly improved by genio
- potentially a buccal fat removal if general fat loss doesn't shrink your cheeks' fat pads enough

You have top tier coloring and a rather good base for ascending. I think you can become quite handsome if you put in the work.

While we're at it, here's a morph of the side profile you have posted in another thread :

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Thank you I owe you when I make some bread I’ll send some over