How to measure chin to philtrum? Do i include the lips?

[aldamogger]

Do i include upper lip for philtrum and lower lip for chin? or neither? or only upper lip for philtrum and not lower lip? theres so many people saying diff thing. help a greycell out

 

[RRM]

Do i include upper lip for philtrum and lower lip for chin? or neither? or only upper lip for philtrum and not lower lip? theres so many people saying diff thing. help a greycell out

dont count the lips

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

highest point of lip (vermillion border) to lowest point of nose (collumella)