How to measure chin to philtrum? Do i include the lips?

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Do i include upper lip for philtrum and lower lip for chin? or neither? or only upper lip for philtrum and not lower lip? theres so many people saying diff thing. help a greycell out
 
Do i include upper lip for philtrum and lower lip for chin? or neither? or only upper lip for philtrum and not lower lip? theres so many people saying diff thing. help a greycell out
dont count the lips
 
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highest point of lip (vermillion border) to lowest point of nose (collumella)
 
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