How to quickly address the gap in teeth from MSE or mitigate it completely?

[aids]

From what I understand, if too few rotations occur in x time, the teeth may not have a gap (or at least as prominent of one), however, the mid-palatal suture will not split, which will not enable me to expand my palate and probably is why there will be no gap anyway.
However, I am also concerned about the presence of a tooth gap after MSE.

So, is there any option for effectively mitigating the gap afterwards, or addressing it while doing expansion?

Suggest anything (no matter how expensive).
I am thinking of using lingual braces + MSE simultaneously and/or adding veneers after, while the gap fixes, but I don't know if they can effectively place teeth in place of where my teeth should be when my bite is still adjusting.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[moggin]

braces fix that gap, that's the whole point of them

 

[aids]

braces fix that gap, that's the whole point of them

I understand that they will fix the gap, but I want to see about doing it as immediately as possible.

 

[nik.077]

From what I understand, if too few rotations occur in x time, the teeth may not have a gap (or at least as prominent of one), however, the mid-palatal suture will not split, which will not enable me to expand my palate and probably is why there will be no gap anyway.
However, I am also concerned about the presence of a tooth gap after MSE.

So, is there any option for effectively mitigating the gap afterwards, or addressing it while doing expansion?

Suggest anything (no matter how expensive).
I am thinking of using lingual braces + MSE simultaneously and/or adding veneers after, while the gap fixes, but I don't know if they can effectively place teeth in place of where my teeth should be when my bite is still adjusting.

Any insight would be appreciated.

during expansion its not possible, only camouflage

for after you need lingual braces + power chains

and if money is no problem then you can look into PAOO, ive read about it here before

 

[aids]

during expansion its not possible, only camouflage

for after you need lingual braces + power chains

and if money is no problem then you can look into PAOO, ive read about it here before

Thanks for your help.
I'll read into PAOO. From what I understand of this quick read, it will enable the teeth to move quicker, so perhaps MSE -> PAOO after MSE to accelerate gap closure -> lingual braces.

 

[aids]

Bump in case anybody has additional insight.

 

[nik.077]

Thanks for your help.
I'll read into PAOO. From what I understand of this quick read, it will enable the teeth to move quicker, so perhaps MSE -> PAOO after MSE to accelerate gap closure -> lingual braces.

to be honest tho, im not so sure if PAOO would be such a great idea. because after mse you literally have a broken bone and PAOO works on triggered inflammation and doing that next to a fractured suture there are probably big risks

also with power chains the gap can close in like (min) 6 weeks, I think thats fast enough tbh, no need to spend 10k and risk so much

 

[aids]

to be honest tho, im not so sure if PAOO would be such a great idea. because after mse you literally have a broken bone and PAOO works on triggered inflammation and doing that next to a fractured suture there are probably big risks

also with power chains the gap can close in like (min) 6 weeks, I think thats fast enough tbh, no need to spend 10k and risk so much

I'll book in with an orthodontist as soon as I recover from CO2 laser and see what my best approach is.
Thanks heaps for your help brother, means a lot.

 

[nik.077]

you could get composite bonding to camouflage and the dentist shaves off the composite bonding bit by bit as the gap closes but no idea if anyone would actually perform that

 

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[Nexius]

However, I am also concerned about the presence of a tooth gap after MSE.

DONT FUCKING TURN THE LOCK TOO FAST NIGGA, or else your teeth can't keep up with the fast expansion and thus you'll have to maintain a gap.

TURN THE LOCK 1-2 TIMES A WEEK, and it'll give your teeth time to adjust to the new space

 

[aids]

DONT FUCKING TURN THE LOCK TOO FAST NIGGA, or else your teeth can't keep up with the fast expansion and thus you'll have to maintain a gap.

TURN THE LOCK 1-2 TIMES A WEEK, and it'll give your teeth time to adjust to the new space

Which does not split the suture as mentioned in the first sentence.
Or is there nuance?

 

[Nexius]

Which does not split the suture as mentioned in the first sentence.
Or is there nuance?

I don't quite understand, don't mses split the suture and widen the bite as well as the face????????? and then lots of people get gaps because of the expansion. You're talking about a gap after mse, what does that mean.

I'm talking about during expansion, you don't twist it too often because bones can't adjust quick enough

 

[aids]

I don't quite understand, don't mses split the suture and widen the bite as well as the face????????? and then lots of people get gaps because of the expansion. You're talking about a gap after mse, what does that mean.

I'm talking about during expansion, you don't twist it too often because bones can't adjust quick enough

If you don't adjust quick enough, the suture does not split.
Unless, you only need to adjust quickly enough to split the suture, and then you can resume 1x/week rotations?

@nik.077 Do you know anything about this?

 

[why not me?]

thumb pull

 

[Greyascension]

during expansion its not possible, only camouflage

for after you need lingual braces + power chains

and if money is no problem then you can look into PAOO, ive read about it here before

I second this, composite bonding is another option after

 

[nik.077]

If you don't adjust quick enough, the suture does not split.
Unless, you only need to adjust quickly enough to split the suture, and then you can resume 1x/week rotations?

@nik.077 Do you know anything about this?

not so much I only understand the basics of it.

but as far as I understand you need to have an initial burst to overcome the suture because if youre too slow in the beginning you just risk tipping the teeth outward through the gum.

once the gap appears, the resistance profile is obviously much less therefore you can slow down. and 1x/week is too little from what ive read, the lowest ive seen is 1x eod

you can read into prof. won moons Protocol https://www.medicalmicrodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Brochure-MSE.pdf

 

[Aryan Incel]

Braces are obviously best option but if you want an instant fix you could try natural looking veneers

 

[Nexius]

If you don't adjust quick enough, the suture does not split.
Unless, you only need to adjust quickly enough to split the suture, and then you can resume 1x/week rotations?

@nik.077 Do you know anything about this?

Braces during an mse will simultaneously fix the problem as the mse expands

How old are you? Are your sutures already fused? I thought you may be around of age where your sutures were still open

 

[aids]

Braces during an mse will simultaneously fix the problem as the mse expands

How old are you? Are your sutures already fused? I thought you may be around of age where your sutures were still open

20yo

 

[Nexius]

20yo

Oh nvm, you're very old sutures wise,

If you were young, not twisting it too often would prevent a gap, and if you should supposedly still twist it open faster than once a week at a young age, i don't understand