How to test your forward growth (Pics inside). See what your face will look like after doing facepull.

[Luke LLL]

FUCK.

So no CCW rotation from MSE + FM, right?

I would not try.

Every clinical case was pulling at an angle below the occlusal plane. I would pull at a -30 degrees angle

Won Moon, creator of MSE clearly said he thinks CCW rotation is not possible.

That pic shows what happens when pulling at a negative degree.

 

[Deleted member 685]

@nelson @Slyfex8 http://www.njcponline.com/article.a...me=21;issue=7;spage=854;epage=858;aulast=Kale

This study says there's not much of a significant statistical difference between the groups with and without skeletal anchorage

@Slyfex8 you can run, but you can't hide

 

[curryslayerordeath]

@nelson @Slyfex8 http://www.njcponline.com/article.a...me=21;issue=7;spage=854;epage=858;aulast=Kale

This study says there's not much of a significant statistical difference between the groups with and without skeletal anchorage

What's the age of the sample in this study? I skimmed thru there but couldnt find it.

 

[Deleted member 685]

What's the age of the sample in this study? I skimmed thru there but couldnt find it.

I think it was like 17 but not sure

 

[curryslayerordeath]

I think it was like 17 but not sure

Damn thats pretty nice then. U can see pretty big advancements to their eye areas in those pics

 

[GetThatBread]

That pic shows what happens when pulling at a negative degree.

The increase in the visibility of sclera, which is symptom of midfacial hypoplasia, is reduced by successfully treating maxillary protraction in adolescent patients”

• study: http://www.njcponline.com/article.a...me=21;issue=7;spage=854;epage=858;aulast=Kale
  
  Life fuel for your cute ass

 

[Deleted member 685]

@Slyfex8 you can run, but you can't hide

@Slyfex8 I'm still here

 

[Deleted member 685]

@nelson @Slyfex8 http://www.njcponline.com/article.a...me=21;issue=7;spage=854;epage=858;aulast=Kale

This study says there's not much of a significant statistical difference between the groups with and without skeletal anchorage

@Slyfex8 you'll never forget this

The increase in the visibility of sclera, which is symptom of midfacial hypoplasia, is reduced by successfully treating maxillary protraction in adolescent patients”

• study: http://www.njcponline.com/article.a...me=21;issue=7;spage=854;epage=858;aulast=Kale
  
  Life fuel for your cute ass

Do they talk about the angle btw? Would be useful for us

 

[GetThatBread]

@Slyfex8 you'll never forget this

Do they talk about the angle btw? Would be useful for us

I’ve only skimmed through it; I’m in the belief that if you bone anchor the maxilla you can expect LeFort level changes. We need to find a way to anchor the maxilla after MSE. The FaceMask is good but it blocks the mandible from growing. I’m making a modified version of CopeAndRopes facepuller that is directly anchored to the punctures post MSE treatment

 

[Luke LLL]

I’ve only skimmed through it; I’m in the belief that if you bone anchor the maxilla you can expect LeFort level changes. We need to find a way to anchor the maxilla after MSE. The FaceMask is good but it blocks the mandible from growing. I’m making a modified version of CopeAndRopes facepuller that is directly anchored to the punctures post MSE treatment

The face bow does not block the mandible. Maybe the mask does.
Also why not just leave the MSE in and pull from it if you get it.

 

[GetThatBread]

The face bow does not block the mandible. Maybe the mask does.
Also why not just leave the MSE in and pull from it if you get it.

It depends on the person; for me personally I’m installing MSE and MSDO at the same time so I don’t get TMJ. So I wouldn’t know how to anchor the bone in

 

[Mr.cope]

Hell no I’ll look like a dog if my maxilla was pulled forward as far as I could jut

 

[Luke LLL]

Hell no I’ll look like a dog if my maxilla was pulled forward as far as I could jut

If improves your frontal also

 

[Darkstrand]

In theory there's nothing like 'genetic potential' holding you back, is it? In the monkey study for example, the monkeys got results although one would guess monkeys would be quite forward grown, and also, if your bones can become recessed like crazy, they sure can also grow in other directions if direct there.
I don't know much about mandible surgeries, isn't there anything that could bring your jaw forward from behind the dental arch, thinking some kind of distraction osteotomy...

 

[Deleted member 685]

@Slyfex8 I'll haunt you forever

 

[Deleted member 685]

@Slyfex8 still waiting

 

[Ceamce]

Facepulling devices are also delivered by orthodontists? what am i missing?

 

[Luke LLL]

Facepulling devices are also delivered by orthodontists? what am i missing?

Yes, or you can make the appliance, and everything yourself (guide coming soon)

 

[Deleted member 7173]

I just jutted and had a solid half inch between both sets of teeth. Damn I've been stunted by mouthbreathing

 

[ObamasLastName]

Dudes face is really good wtf

 

[futureashtray]

Here is @Alcezar demonstrating how to properly test your forward growth potential.
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Pic 1 - Resting posture. Not necessarily recessed, but some forward growth is definitely achievable, as you will see in pic 2:
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Pic 2 - As you can see, I asked him to jut his jaw out as far as he was able to. This is the minimum amount of forward growth that you can expect to achieve from a face puller. Remember that the jaw isn’t used to being in this position and still needs time to move. After you jut your jaw forward you can look at your pictures and have a better understanding of what your results will be with a facepuller. Good luck guys.

actually smart