How to weed out shitty surgeons

[VampyrMaxx]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

 

[Rayryan]

yes i heard its effective

 

[VampyrMaxx]

yes i heard its effective

The only thing that becomes a problem are the rules and regulations.

For example, what counts as a botch? Infections become a problem. Implant placement, etc.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@Luca_. @Orka @Lookologist003 @thecel

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@Hernan

 

[Orka]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

doesn't affect me so yea sure

 

[VampyrMaxx]

doesn't affect me so yea sure

Mirin

 

[RetaRetaReta]

Even the best surgeons have botches

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Even the best surgeons have botches

Exactly and they should pay up for that.

For example let's i was going to pay 50k for a bimax and he ends up botching me. Then he should be the one that ends up paying ME 50k, IF NOT MORE.

That way surgeons are accountable, and pay for their mistakes, instead of running off with your money, yknow?

 

[hej1377]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

Seems like a decent idea but it would heavily disincentavise surgeons to do risky surgeries

 

[Insomnia]

I guess you’re right to some extent. Unfortunately, not all botches are the fault of the surgeon.

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Exactly and they should pay up for that.

For example let's i was going to pay 50k for a bimax and he ends up botching me. Then he should be the one that ends up paying ME 50k, IF NOT MORE.

That way surgeons are accountable, and pay for their mistakes, instead of running off with your money, yknow?

I get what you're saying, but that's the same thing as claiming that tobacco companies should pay you if you get lung cancer.

You do stuff at your own risk, everyone should be aware of a possibility of a botch before getting a surgery.

 

[RetaRetaReta]

Exactly and they should pay up for that.

For example let's i was going to pay 50k for a bimax and he ends up botching me. Then he should be the one that ends up paying ME 50k, IF NOT MORE.

That way surgeons are accountable, and pay for their mistakes, instead of running off with your money, yknow?

This is already the case, but it's decided by judges and lawyers in a court.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

I get what you're saying, but that's the same thing as claiming that tobacco companies should pay you if you get lung cancer.

You do stuff at your own risk, everyone should be aware of a possibility of a botch before getting a surgery.

Its not the same.

In one case a human is doing the destruction.

In the tobacco its a molecule.

A human should be accountable for his or her mistakes.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

I guess you’re right to some extent. Unfortunately, not all botches are the fault of the surgeon.

Every botch is due to not following instructions.

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Its not the same.

In one case a human is doing the destruction.

In the tobacco its a molecule.

A human should be accountable for his or her mistakes.

yeah I mean I don't disagree at 100% tbh

even though no money would make up for botching me IMO, it would still get rid of all those shitty surgeons.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Seems like a decent idea but it would heavily disincentavise surgeons to do risky surgeries

If it stops them from doing the surgery, they shouldn't have thought of the idea in the first place...

 

[hej1377]

If it stops them from doing the surgery, they shouldn't have thought of the idea in the first place...

Yeah but this way getting a bimax that isnt super conservative will be impossible pretty much,obo,orbital decompresion,canto,lefort 2,commisureplasty,rhino will all be much harder and more expensive

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Bump

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Bump

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Misplacement in bones is always the surgeons fault.

Scarring and other issues im not so sure

Basically surgeon error should be penalized, not things that are out of control

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@BigBallsLarry

 

[BigBallsLarry]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

This wouldn't work, or would atleast be very complicated.

"botches" isn't a word that is used in law, you CAN already sue a surgeon if they completely miss medical standards, make a stupid error or do a completely different surgery. But if they tell you about risks and you still agree to it, then a surgery done "well" by law standards but not going exactly your way won't hold the surgeon accountible.

No matter what law you make, cosmetic surgery is a known risk and most countries FIRST place the fault at the costumer, not the surgeon.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

This wouldn't work, or would atleast be very complicated.

"botches" isn't a word that is used in law, you CAN already sue a surgeon if they completely miss medical standards, make a stupid error or do a completely different surgery. But if they tell you about risks and you still agree to it, then a surgery done "well" by law standards but not going exactly your way won't hold the surgeon accountible.

No matter what law you make, cosmetic surgery is a known risk and most countries FIRST place the fault at the costumer, not the surgeon.

Correct, but I'm suggesting a law that distinguishes unavoidable risks vs technical deviations.

An unavoidable risk like normal swelling, minor asymmetry, and healing variations is different than technical deviations like weird bone placements, over resection of bones, etc.

It's more about surgical accuracy because not all complications are the surgeons fault.

Thoughts?

 

[VampyrMaxx]

This wouldn't work, or would atleast be very complicated.

"botches" isn't a word that is used in law, you CAN already sue a surgeon if they completely miss medical standards, make a stupid error or do a completely different surgery. But if they tell you about risks and you still agree to it, then a surgery done "well" by law standards but not going exactly your way won't hold the surgeon accountible.

No matter what law you make, cosmetic surgery is a known risk and most countries FIRST place the fault at the costumer, not the surgeon.

one more thing.

threads like this really freak me tf out.

How a surgeon can do such a bad mistake and still run off with your money is beyond me.

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