How to weed out shitty surgeons

[VampyrMaxx]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

 

[Rayryan]

yes i heard its effective

 

[VampyrMaxx]

yes i heard its effective

The only thing that becomes a problem are the rules and regulations.

For example, what counts as a botch? Infections become a problem. Implant placement, etc.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@Luca_. @Orka @Lookologist003 @thecel

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@Hernan

 

[Orka]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

doesn't affect me so yea sure

 

[VampyrMaxx]

doesn't affect me so yea sure

Mirin

 

[Deleted member 262735]

Even the best surgeons have botches

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Even the best surgeons have botches

Exactly and they should pay up for that.

For example let's i was going to pay 50k for a bimax and he ends up botching me. Then he should be the one that ends up paying ME 50k, IF NOT MORE.

That way surgeons are accountable, and pay for their mistakes, instead of running off with your money, yknow?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

Seems like a decent idea but it would heavily disincentavise surgeons to do risky surgeries

 

[Insomnia]

I guess you’re right to some extent. Unfortunately, not all botches are the fault of the surgeon.

 

[Sepsin]

Exactly and they should pay up for that.

For example let's i was going to pay 50k for a bimax and he ends up botching me. Then he should be the one that ends up paying ME 50k, IF NOT MORE.

That way surgeons are accountable, and pay for their mistakes, instead of running off with your money, yknow?

I get what you're saying, but that's the same thing as claiming that tobacco companies should pay you if you get lung cancer.

You do stuff at your own risk, everyone should be aware of a possibility of a botch before getting a surgery.

 

[Deleted member 262735]

Exactly and they should pay up for that.

For example let's i was going to pay 50k for a bimax and he ends up botching me. Then he should be the one that ends up paying ME 50k, IF NOT MORE.

That way surgeons are accountable, and pay for their mistakes, instead of running off with your money, yknow?

This is already the case, but it's decided by judges and lawyers in a court.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

I get what you're saying, but that's the same thing as claiming that tobacco companies should pay you if you get lung cancer.

You do stuff at your own risk, everyone should be aware of a possibility of a botch before getting a surgery.

Its not the same.

In one case a human is doing the destruction.

In the tobacco its a molecule.

A human should be accountable for his or her mistakes.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

I guess you’re right to some extent. Unfortunately, not all botches are the fault of the surgeon.

Every botch is due to not following instructions.

 

[Sepsin]

Its not the same.

In one case a human is doing the destruction.

In the tobacco its a molecule.

A human should be accountable for his or her mistakes.

yeah I mean I don't disagree at 100% tbh

even though no money would make up for botching me IMO, it would still get rid of all those shitty surgeons.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Seems like a decent idea but it would heavily disincentavise surgeons to do risky surgeries

If it stops them from doing the surgery, they shouldn't have thought of the idea in the first place...

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

If it stops them from doing the surgery, they shouldn't have thought of the idea in the first place...

Yeah but this way getting a bimax that isnt super conservative will be impossible pretty much,obo,orbital decompresion,canto,lefort 2,commisureplasty,rhino will all be much harder and more expensive

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Bump

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Bump

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Misplacement in bones is always the surgeons fault.

Scarring and other issues im not so sure

Basically surgeon error should be penalized, not things that are out of control

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@BigBallsLarry

 

[BigBallsLarry]

There should be a law, that if a surgeon botches your surgery you should be compensated with double what the surgery costed in the first place.

That way we can get rid of the shitty surgeons and take them out of business.



Thoughts? Is this practical?

This wouldn't work, or would atleast be very complicated.

"botches" isn't a word that is used in law, you CAN already sue a surgeon if they completely miss medical standards, make a stupid error or do a completely different surgery. But if they tell you about risks and you still agree to it, then a surgery done "well" by law standards but not going exactly your way won't hold the surgeon accountible.

No matter what law you make, cosmetic surgery is a known risk and most countries FIRST place the fault at the costumer, not the surgeon.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

This wouldn't work, or would atleast be very complicated.

"botches" isn't a word that is used in law, you CAN already sue a surgeon if they completely miss medical standards, make a stupid error or do a completely different surgery. But if they tell you about risks and you still agree to it, then a surgery done "well" by law standards but not going exactly your way won't hold the surgeon accountible.

No matter what law you make, cosmetic surgery is a known risk and most countries FIRST place the fault at the costumer, not the surgeon.

Correct, but I'm suggesting a law that distinguishes unavoidable risks vs technical deviations.

An unavoidable risk like normal swelling, minor asymmetry, and healing variations is different than technical deviations like weird bone placements, over resection of bones, etc.

It's more about surgical accuracy because not all complications are the surgeons fault.

Thoughts?

 

[VampyrMaxx]

This wouldn't work, or would atleast be very complicated.

"botches" isn't a word that is used in law, you CAN already sue a surgeon if they completely miss medical standards, make a stupid error or do a completely different surgery. But if they tell you about risks and you still agree to it, then a surgery done "well" by law standards but not going exactly your way won't hold the surgeon accountible.

No matter what law you make, cosmetic surgery is a known risk and most countries FIRST place the fault at the costumer, not the surgeon.

one more thing.

threads like this really freak me tf out.

How a surgeon can do such a bad mistake and still run off with your money is beyond me.

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[Lookologist003]

For example, what counts as a botch?

That we can not determine, so this would be huge battles in a courtroom where the only winners are the lawyers being paid to show how the plaintiff wanted to Chico, but he became Chico from Walmart. Legislation like this would certainly make me want to be part of that jury with a box of popcorn.

Like they'd have a projector in the courthouse with PSL edits being shown to a bunch of bluepilled boomers who are what the hell is this shit??? And then somebody would mention the word incel and the judge would have to clack the hammer against the thingy and be like "order! order in my courtroom!"

Correct, but I'm suggesting a law that distinguishes unavoidable risks vs technical deviations.

It's more about surgical accuracy because not all complications are the surgeons fault.

The thing is, they'd have to show that the implants were misplaced, which is very difficult. I'm making an assumption, but I think silicone implants don't show up on an x-ray photograph, so what, the surgeon would have to open you back to prove that he did what was agreed upon.

How a surgeon can do such a bad mistake and still run off with your money is beyond me.

I think that person could have sued. You should sue if the error is large enough that a dumb jury can see.

It's an idea in subhuman interests. But it will never become part of law. You couldn't even lobby for this since the public sees looksmaxxing or rating guys appearances as gay or on the level of Men's Rights Activism (jfl if you know about that). And, like has been mentioned in this thread, surgeons would get disincentivized and refuse more men surgery, because they can't be sure that it wont end in a prolonged Saint Hamudi V. Pagoni.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

That we can not determine, so this would be huge battles in a courtroom where the only winners are the lawyers being paid to show how the plaintiff wanted to Chico, but he became Chico from Walmart. Legislation like this would certainly make me want to be part of that jury with a box of popcorn.

Like they'd have a projector in the courthouse with PSL edits being shown to a bunch of bluepilled boomers who are what the hell is this shit??? And then somebody would mention the word incel and the judge would have to clack the hammer against the thingy and be like "order! order in my courtroom!"


The thing is, they'd have to show that the implants were misplaced, which is very difficult. I'm making an assumption, but I think silicone implants don't show up on an x-ray photograph, so what, the surgeon would have to open you back to prove that he did what was agreed upon.


I think that person could have sued. You should sue if the error is large enough that a dumb jury can see.

It's an idea in subhuman interests. But it will never become part of law. You couldn't even lobby for this since the public sees looksmaxxing or rating guys appearances as gay or on the level of Men's Rights Activism (jfl if you know about that). And, like has been mentioned in this thread, surgeons would get disincentivized and refuse more men surgery, because they can't be sure that it wont end in a prolonged Saint Hamudi V. Pagoni.

Read this comment 5 times. This is lowkey hilarious but sad at the same time.

Unfortunately, there doesnt seem like much one can do when it comes to surgery.

I wonder if surgeons are obligated to show all their case files for every patient theyve done.

This seems like the best way to pick a good surgeon given the fact that these mfs are probably protected by some really rich and powerful people.

Its always a pleasure to talk to you by the way. Your responses are genuinely insightful unlike 95 percent of org