Humans are not masculine apes, so why do they worship masculinity?

[Deleted member 4362]

We would all be a happier if men were allowed to wear dresses with no stigma, you gave up the idea of trying to ‘mog’ people & women were polyandrous.

Feminism has a point, as a man you will never live up to the ideal of masculinity because there is always a bigger fish.

 

[Deleted member 6089]

Sorry bro I dont wanna wear a fucking dress

 

[Deleted member 9003]

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Sorry bro I dont wanna wear a fucking dress

Because you associate it with weakness.

But that’s the same thing women think when they look at you then look at a chad. You won’t ever live up to the ideal standard of masculinity because there’s always someone better than you.

 

[Deleted member 6089]

Because you associate it with weakness.

But that’s the same thing women think when they look at you then look at a chad. You won’t ever live up to the ideal standard of masculinity because there’s always someone better than you.

Nigga I dont wanna wear a fucking dress why do you think it runs that deep

 

[Orc]

speak for yourself I'm gigantopithecus maxing to mog silverback gorillas.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Nigga I dont wanna wear a fucking dress why do you think it runs that deep

Because women don’t think ‘I don’t want to wear jeans’.

You & other people associate good with masculine, but that same cultural norm directly screws you over

 

[User49]

only thing that’s masculine are the bones in the body. Tyler Maher or jeremy meeks can simply never be “feminine”.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

speak for yourself I'm gigantopithecus maxing to mog silverback gorillas.

I changed the title, it wasn’t the most accurate.

Patriarchy has been primarily causally linked to the cultural phenomenon of agriculture rather than any explicitly biological cause.

That’s why in industrial and post-industrial societies, by and large most developed nations exhibit an express tendency towards economic and political equality.

There has only been at most 7000 years of history supporting that humans are patrichal it’s not supported from ethnographic, archaeological, or biological data.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

only thing that’s masculine are the bones in the body. Tyler Maher or jeremy meeks can simply never be “feminine”.

Say what you want but this sounds way better than trying to mog people

 

[Deleted member 4362]

⠀

 

[AspiringMogger]

Because women don’t think ‘I don’t want to wear jeans’.

You & other people associate good with masculine, but that same cultural norm directly screws you over

This is too high IQ for this forum

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

speak for yourself I'm gigantopithecus maxing to mog silverback gorillas.

Brutal. The ancient Gorilla were all developed Chad and the modern gorilla is nothing short of an incel

 

[Bashan]

You just try to justify your porn habits.

 

[klip11]

We would all be a happier if men were allowed to wear dresses with no stigma, you gave up the idea of trying to ‘mog’ people & women were polyandrous.

Feminism has a point, as a man you will never live up to the ideal of masculinity because there is always a bigger fish.

Just admit you want big dick Tyrone to sodomize you. Live your truth.

 

[Esteban1997]

Brutal. The ancient Gorilla were all developed Chad and the modern gorilla is nothing short of an incel

That thing looks scary

 

[equaleffect]

We would all be a happier if men were allowed to wear dresses with no stigma, you gave up the idea of trying to ‘mog’ people & women were polyandrous.

Feminism has a point, as a man you will never live up to the ideal of masculinity because there is always a bigger fish.

No one’s stopping you from wearing a dress faggot

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Just admit you want big dick Tyrone to sodomize you. Live your truth.

Projecting

 

[Deleted member 4362]

No one’s stopping you from wearing a dress faggot

Same for you loser

 

[hypernormie]

I changed the title, it wasn’t the most accurate.

Patriarchy has been primarily causally linked to the cultural phenomenon of agriculture rather than any explicitly biological cause.

That’s why in industrial and post-industrial societies, by and large most developed nations exhibit an express tendency towards economic and political equality.

There has only been at most 7000 years of history supporting that humans are patrichal it’s not supported from ethnographic, archaeological, or biological data.

What is this bullshit?

Do you think females controlled most tribes in prehistory? Or even if they had control, do you think they would survive without males?

Societies develop into equality because they develop past the need for labor that advantages males exclusively and thus it makes more sense to allow women into the workforce. Societies also develop to a point of stability where having a tightly knit family unit isn’t necessary for survival and so females no longer need to play the role as exclusively mothers and housewives.

Societies tend towards matriarchy because when women get freedom and political equality they use their sexual advantages (both biological sex and the actual use of sex, which are both one in the same) to influence men’s decision making. Making society equal for women hasn’t resulted in any great improvements or advancements as women aren’t the primary drivers of civilization. It’s in fact created more chaos for the average man and woman’s life. I don’t agree women should all be locked in the house but let’s not act like female equality is some great thing that has benefitted society.

As far as we’re concerned complete equality between the sexes is leading towards social collapse, with more men sexless and struggling, more single childless women, more single mothers, a society hyper focused on appeasing women’s every irrational feeling, and a dwindling birth rate.

There also has never really been a patriarchy in as much as their have been male dominated societies because that made the most sense given the context. Our society today which is more egalitarian than ever isn’t seeing a huge increase in women leaders or innovators. Women today aren’t contributing more to societies advancement and sustainability than men are so what is the point? Yeah they can go get jobs, fuck chads, and not have kids until 30. Is this benefitting us? Even though women are equal to men now, a large portion of women still believe in ideas like the “wage gap” and insist they are oppressed. What exactly are we gaining from all this egalitarianism?

The cultural phenomenon of agriculture creating “patriarchy” is a biological one. Why do you think this came about? Do you not think male biology had a strong role to play in this? The fact that women relied on male labor and males were more likely to lead and create society? All factors which are biologically determined. What was the alternative? Were women going to do it?

 

[hypernormie]

Because you associate it with weakness.

But that’s the same thing women think when they look at you then look at a chad. You won’t ever live up to the ideal standard of masculinity because there’s always someone better than you.

You say this, but what is to be gained from not trying to live up to it?

You understand these standards are set by women’s sexual selection right?

It doesn’t matter how you live your life, if women don’t find it sexually attractive you will just lose out on getting laid. Even if you don’t care about that, it still doesn’t make a difference because women’s selection will just breed that behavior out of the population. Women set the standard for acceptable male behavior as well as what kinds of behaviors propagate into the next generations. Wearing a dress won’t change society if women don’t find it attractive.

Wearing a dress is associated with weakness, which is why men don’t want to wear one because they don’t want to bear the social and sexual costs of being perceived as weak. It doesn’t matter if they will never live up to the hegemonic masculine ideal, it’s not something they can change. The only people who can change that are women and they don’t seem to keen on doing so.

All this talk about gender nonconformity won’t stop you from getting mogged and bullied by a bigger stronger more aggressive man. Considering that sexual selection prizes men who are strong and competent, these men will always exist and will always outcompete you. If you deep in your heart want to wear a dress, wear one, but most men don’t want to wear dresses because they are biologically masculine and have no desire to compromise their sexual and social status by appearing weaker. You will never get rid of that tendency in males as reproduction will simply out select that kind of behavior. So long as sexual selection exists, there will be gender differences.

Idk what postmodern gender theory you’ve been reading but stop reading it, it’s rotting your brain.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

What is this bullshit?

Do you think females controlled most tribes in prehistory? Or even if they had control, do you think they would survive without males?

Societies develop into equality because they develop past the need for labor that advantages males exclusively and thus it makes more sense to allow women into the workforce. Societies also develop to a point of stability where having a tightly knit family unit isn’t necessary for survival and so females no longer need to play the role as exclusively mothers and housewives.

Societies tend towards matriarchy because when women get freedom and political equality they use their sexual advantages (both biological sex and the actual use of sex, which are both one in the same) to influence men’s decision making. Making society equal for women hasn’t resulted in any great improvements or advancements as women aren’t the primary drivers of civilization. It’s in fact created more chaos for the average man and woman’s life. I don’t agree women should all be locked in the house but let’s not act like female equality is some great thing that has benefitted society.

As far as we’re concerned complete equality between the sexes is leading towards social collapse, with more men sexless and struggling, more single childless women, more single mothers, a society hyper focused on appeasing women’s every irrational feeling, and a dwindling birth rate.

There also has never really been a patriarchy in as much as their have been male dominated societies because that made the most sense given the context. Our society today which is more egalitarian than ever isn’t seeing a huge increase in women leaders or innovators. Women today aren’t contributing more to societies advancement and sustainability than men are so what is the point? Yeah they can go get jobs, fuck chads, and not have kids until 30. Is this benefitting us? Even though women are equal to men now, a large portion of women still believe in ideas like the “wage gap” and insist they are oppressed. What exactly are we gaining from all this egalitarianism?

The cultural phenomenon of agriculture creating “patriarchy” is a biological one. Why do you think this came about? Do you not think male biology had a strong role to play in this? The fact that women relied on male labor and males were more likely to lead and create society? All factors which are biologically determined. What was the alternative? Were women going to do it?

Cultural phenomena of agriculture = biological one

Cultural phenomenon of women working = unnatural

There’s no biological evidence to suggest humans are inherently patriarchal & your whole paragraph reads like a retard considering we still very much do live in a patriarchy.

If most of the heads of governance are men it’s a patriarchy, plain & simple.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Making society equal for women hasn’t resulted in any great improvements or advancements as women aren’t the primary drivers of civilization. It’s in fact created more chaos for the average man and woman’s life

According to what? Can you even name one society that has been matriarchal, or you base you entire historical point of reference on industrial Britain?

Tell me clever clogs what innovation has come out of Europe in the last 100 years?

 

[Deleted member 4362]

You say this, but what is to be gained from not trying to live up to it?

You understand these standards are set by women’s sexual selection right?

It doesn’t matter how you live your life, if women don’t find it sexually attractive you will just lose out on getting laid. Even if you don’t care about that, it still doesn’t make a difference because women’s selection will just breed that behavior out of the population. Women set the standard for acceptable male behavior as well as what kinds of behaviors propagate into the next generations. Wearing a dress won’t change society if women don’t find it attractive.

Wearing a dress is associated with weakness, which is why men don’t want to wear one because they don’t want to bear the social and sexual costs of being perceived as weak. It doesn’t matter if they will never live up to the hegemonic masculine ideal, it’s not something they can change. The only people who can change that are women and they don’t seem to keen on doing so.

All this talk about gender nonconformity won’t stop you from getting mogged and bullied by a bigger stronger more aggressive man. Considering that sexual selection prizes men who are strong and competent, these men will always exist and will always outcompete you. If you deep in your heart want to wear a dress, wear one, but most men don’t want to wear dresses because they are biologically masculine and have no desire to compromise their sexual and social status by appearing weaker. You will never get rid of that tendency in males as reproduction will simply out select that kind of behavior. So long as sexual selection exists, there will be gender differences.

Idk what postmodern gender theory you’ve been reading but stop reading it, it’s rotting your brain.

These standards are quite clearly laid out by & set by men.

Female reproductive strategy isn’t selecting the biggest, badder male that’s a reproductive strategy found exclusively in patriarchy and just isn’t how women operate when they have power.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Humans are mostly neotenous.

 

[hypernormie]

Cultural phenomena of agriculture = biological one

Cultural phenomenon of women being = unnatural

There’s no biological evidence to suggest humans are inherently patriarchal & your whole paragraph reads like a retard considering we still very much do love in a patriarchy, if most of the heads of governance are men it’s a patriarchy, plain & simple.

Patriarchy

-a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
"the thematic relationships of the ballad are worked out according to the conventional archetypes of the patriarchy"

-a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.
"the dominant ideology of patriarchy"

-Patriarchy is a system of relationships, beliefs, and values embedded in political, social, and economic systems that structure gender inequality between men and women. Attributes seen as “feminine” or pertaining to women are undervalued, while attributes regarded as “masculine” or pertaining to men are privileged.

You little don’t understand the definition of patriarchy and are calling me a retard

Look at those definitions, none of them are true in any modern western country today.

Men dominate society purely because they are biologically programmed to be more dominant in all aspects of life. Their sexual selection throughout history has depended on it. You are on a blackpill forum and don’t know the basics of evolutionary psychology and it’s sad.

Even my self proclaimed feminist brother who has read much feminist literature doesn’t believe a truly egalitarian society would see equal representation in government between men and women.

Even the most feminist countries in existence don’t see a large female representation in government. These countries btw that are highly feminist and egalitarian as a result of male efforts towards gender equality.

It is men, not women who gave women the right to vote without signing up for the draft.

It is men, not women who gave women access to abortion even though men have no equal parental rights to rid themselves of a child.

It is men, not women who have women the right to vote.

It is men, not women who show a female hiring bias in STEM.

It is men and women spearheading efforts for gender equality in the west.

If you truly believe any society will ever see an equal representation of men and women in positions of power you are dumb.

If that ever happens, bet your ass it will not be an organic process but will be the result of manipulation and laws, such as we see today that require companies have x amount of women on the board, even if they aren’t qualified or competitive enough to achieve that position in a free and open market.

Again, this gender theory bullshit you’ve been reading is rotting your brain. If you’ve come to these conclusions without reading postmodern gender theory I feel even more sorry for you because it shows you lack critical thinking skills.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Also this:

Richest pants fan

Poorest dress enjoyer

 

[hypernormie]

According to what? Can you even name one society that has been matriarchal, or you base you entire historical point of reference on industrial Britain?

Tell me clever clogs what innovation has come out of Europe in the last 200 years?

Why would I have to?

If they exist and are so superior where are they? They obviously have a hard time competing because they don’t exist. There are some small matriarchal tribes though, except they don’t have running water and build their houses out of leaves.

Idk man, look at Europe as a whole, was it built by women? How many women hold patents in Europe? Are European women even making an effort to innovate?

 

[Deleted member 16501]

Read red pill unironically

women's bioligy is stuck in stone age

they worship stuff which men would be rewarded for 5000 years ago

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Patriarchy

-a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
"the thematic relationships of the ballad are worked out according to the conventional archetypes of the patriarchy"

-a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.
"the dominant ideology of patriarchy"

-Patriarchy is a system of relationships, beliefs, and values embedded in political, social, and economic systems that structure gender inequality between men and women. Attributes seen as “feminine” or pertaining to women are undervalued, while attributes regarded as “masculine” or pertaining to men are privileged.

You little don’t understand the definition of patriarchy and are calling me a retard

Look at those definitions, none of them are true in any modern western country today.

Men dominate society purely because they are biologically programmed to be more dominant in all aspects of life. Their sexual selection throughout history has depended on it. You are on a blackpill forum and don’t know the basics of evolutionary psychology and it’s sad.

Even my self proclaimed feminist brother who has read much feminist literature doesn’t believe a truly egalitarian society would see equal representation in government between men and women.

Even the most feminist countries in existence don’t see a large female representation in government. These countries btw that are highly feminist and egalitarian as a result of male efforts towards gender equality.

It is men, not women who gave women the right to vote without signing up for the draft.

It is men, not women who gave women access to abortion even though men have no equal parental rights to rid themselves of a child.

It is men, not women who have women the right to vote.

It is men, not women who show a female hiring bias in STEM.

It is men and women spearheading efforts for gender equality in the west.

If you truly believe any society will ever see an equal representation of men and women in positions of power you are dumb.

If that ever happens, bet your ass it will not be an organic process but will be the result of manipulation and laws, such as we see today that require companies have x amount of women on the board, even if they aren’t qualified or competitive enough to achieve that position in a free and open market.

Again, this gender theory bullshit you’ve been reading is rotting your brain. If you’ve come to these conclusions without reading postmodern gender theory I feel even more sorry for you because it shows you lack critical thinking skills.

I don’t believe in equality, women are far superior to insufferable egotists like you.

Why would I have to?

If they exist and are so superior where are they? They obviously have a hard time competing because they don’t exist. There are some small matriarchal tribes though, except they don’t have running water and build their houses out of leaves.

Idk man, look at Europe as a whole, was it built by women? How many women hold patents in Europe? Are European women even making an effort to innovate?

Okay this conversation is done then, you talk about ‘innovation’ but can’t even name basic things like a steam engine.

Your historical illiteracy is not a valid argument.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Read red pill unironically

women's bioligy is stuck in stone age

they worship stuff which men would be rewarded for 5000 years ago

How does that work evolution is a linear theory?

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Also this:

Richest pants fan

Poorest dress enjoyer

Lol @ this @hypernormie fella making an argument about ‘innovation’ not realising the biggest empire & height of human achievement in advances of technology was headed by Queen Victoria

average 140 .org iQ on display again

 

[Deleted member 16501]

How does that work evolution is a linear theory?

evolution is of the mind and emotions

women are driven by biology- not higher reason. Their sexual preferences haven't really changed

as Tucker Carlson said "I love women but they're very primitive"

 

[Deleted member 4362]

evolution is of the mind and emotions

women are driven by biology- not higher reason. Their sexual preferences haven't really changed

as Tucker Carlson said "I love women but they're very primitive"

That’s just more male circlejerking man, as if men can claim to be any better with all the retards on our side.

 

[hypernormie]

These standards are quite clearly laid out by & set by men.

Female reproductive strategy isn’t selecting the biggest, badder male that’s a reproductive strategy found exclusively in patriarchy and just isn’t how women operate when they have power.

Jfl, where is your evidence of this?

We know what women select for because we can see it on social media and dating apps. We know exactly what the kinds of men women make Tik Toks crying over or the kinds of men women make videos complaining about not being able to lock down, or the kinds of guys women chase despite their best interests.

How are you on a blackpill forum but think otherwise is beyond me. It’s cool to have a diverse array of opinions but this isn’t it fam.

sexual dimorphism in any species is driven by female choice. Every trait men have that is dimorphic was selected for by women. Women control reproductive access and therefore control which traits are passed on to the next generation. Women show a preference for dominant attractive wealthy men because all of these traits are related to having healthy competitive offspring who will survive the reproductive process and succeed in reproducing themselves. Why do you think women like height so much? Or muscles? Or V tapered bodies? Guess what, all these traits have historically allowed men to acquire more resources, which made them highly attractive to women and thus able to reproduce more often.

How exactly would men control sexual selection in a society where women have full access and freedom to choose mates? Why exactly are more men virgins now than ever before now that women are sexually liberated? Why are the most attractive men having more sex than ever before? Why exactly do women rate 80% of men as unattractive? Women have more freedom to choose sexually now more than ever before and they are being highly selective but aren’t living under a patriarchy.

Again, how exactly do men drive sexual selection when women have full control over who they choose to mate with? How are all the things I said true if women still live under a patriarchy that forces their hand? How are women not selecting the biggest baddest male when the most popular height selection on Bumble is 6’6? Are these women on Bumble being forced by the patriarchy to make that selection?

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Jfl, where is your evidence of this?

We know what women select for because we can see it on social media and dating apps. We know exactly what the kinds of men women make Tik Toks crying over or the kinds of men women make videos complaining about not being able to lock down, or the kinds of guys women chase despite their best interests.

How are you on a blackpill forum but think otherwise is beyond me. It’s cool to have a diverse array of opinions but this isn’t it fam.

sexual dimorphism in any species is driven by female choice. Every trait men have that is dimorphic was selected for by women. Women control reproductive access and therefore control which traits are passed on to the next generation. Women show a preference for dominant attractive wealthy men because all of these traits are related to having healthy competitive offspring who will survive the reproductive process and succeed in reproducing themselves. Why do you think women like height so much? Or muscles? Or V tapered bodies? Guess what, all these traits have historically allowed men to acquire more resources, which made them highly attractive to women and thus able to reproduce more often.

How exactly would men control sexual selection in a society where women have full access and freedom to choose mates? Why exactly are more men virgins now than ever before now that women are sexually liberated? Why are the most attractive men having more sex than ever before? Why exactly do women rate 80% of men as unattractive? Women have more freedom to choose sexually now more than ever before and they are being highly selective but aren’t living under a patriarchy.

Again, how exactly do men drive sexual selection when women have full control over who they choose to mate with? How are all the things I said true if women still live under a patriarchy that forces their hand? How are women not selecting the biggest baddest male when the most popular height selection on Bumble is 6’6? Are these women on Bumble being forced by the patriarchy to make that selection?

Dn rd

 

[hypernormie]

I don’t believe in equality, women are far superior to insufferable egotists like you.

Okay this conversation is done then, you talk about ‘innovation’ but can’t even name basic things like a steam engine.

Your historical illiteracy is not a valid argument.

I could name basic innovations but why would I? You are moving the goalpost, your argument was that Europe is somehow not innovating which I disproved. naming off inventions of Europe is not necessary to prove my point nor disprove yours.

What’s the gender ratio of patent holders in Europe?

I can tell you what it is in the US

“The Patent Gender Gap: Less than 20% of U.S. patents have at least one woman inventor. Although women have more than quintupled their representation among patent holders since 1977, a pronounced patent gender gap remains.”

Less than 20% have at least one female. When it comes to single female patent holders that number drops to 1-3%. When it comes to all female teams that number drops even further to 0.3%.

Is the patriarchy stopping women from inventing?

 

[hypernormie]

Lol @ this @hypernormie fella making an argument about ‘innovation’ not realising the biggest empire & height of human achievement in advances of technology was headed by Queen Victoria

average 140 .org iQ on display again

Is the queen the one innovating? Or is it the men?

If you think a queen is responsible for the productivity of individual men than you are stupid. A queen doesn’t achieve that rank through meritocracy or a vote based on competence so what value does a queen have to a nations success? That’s like saying Susan Wojcicki is responsible for YouTube’s success or that Ellen Pao for Reddit’s.

If it wasn’t for individual productive men, her nation would have achieved nothing of value.

Either way, I’m not arguing women can’t be competent just that they are generally far less competent than men. Still, being a queen has got to be the least qualified position to be in to take credit as that position is given to you and not earned. She is the last person to take credit for a nations productivity.

 

[hypernormie]

Dn rd

Of course cause your a soy fuck who’s brain gets tired when it has to think too much.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

women are driven by biology- not higher reason. Their sexual preferences haven't really changed

And aren't you? You want the best possible partner, but you don't have as many options as they do, so you tell yourself you're driven by 'higher morals'

COPE

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Say what you want but this sounds way better than trying to mog people

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But fighting is fun. Have you ever tried a combat sport, could be mma, wrestling, ju jitsu, boxing whatever because there's no better feeling/rush than taking someone to the ground and forcing them to submit or just winning in a fight.

It's the ultimate mog.

 

[Gargantuan]

 

[Deleted member 25667]

We would all be a happier if men were allowed to wear dresses with no stigma, you gave up the idea of trying to ‘mog’ people & women were polyandrous.

Feminism has a point, as a man you will never live up to the ideal of masculinity because there is always a bigger fish.

This is bottom of the barrel cope, you hate the patriarchal system because it doesn't benefit you. Why would the guys who are at the top of the LMS (looks,money,status) food chain ever want to give away all their recourses, power, freedom, wealth and pussy?

 

[Deleted member 4362]

This is bottom of the barrel cope, you hate the patriarchal system because it doesn't benefit you. Why would the guys who are at the top of the LMS (looks,money,status) food chain ever want to give away all their recourses, power, freedom, wealth and pussy?

You are wrong, no one wins. Men just have an affinity for being cuckolded.

No man has it all, don’t be delusional.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Men just have an affinity for being cuckolded.

You're projecting so hard

 

[Deleted member 4362]

You're projecting so hard

It’s quite obvious men are content with being cuckolded, look at this forum & see who gets the most praise and reacts.

Look at who watches and supports pro athletes, look at any video about the halo effect.

There’s always a bigger mogger no one really wins.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

But fighting is fun. Have you ever tried a combat sport, could be mma, wrestling, ju jitsu, boxing whatever because there's no better feeling/rush than taking someone to the ground and forcing them to submit or just winning in a fight.

It's the ultimate mog.

Yes I enjoy masculine hobbies, but I also try to be objective about it. I have fought people but not in an organised setting.

I don’t believe women are inferior like people here say + I also don’t worship a system that screws 99% of men and temporarily benefits 1% of us at best.