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REQUIRED PREREADING:
whydokidsgetugly-jawcare.blogspot.com
Now that you have read the above (PLEASE read it -- no one should be on this forum without reading it and I am not going to restate necessary information already stated in the article) and pondered over it for some time. I have some examples for you. What is written below assumes that the required prereading is true.
Facial dissonance between siblings is extremely interesting as it relates to the issue of the development of adenoid faces. My case is a very good example of one child developing an adenoid face while the other child develops a normal face. I developed an adenoid face and slanted malocclusional plane w/ a narrow palate while my sister's face developed normally with a horizontal malocclusional plane and a normal palate. Photos of the beginning the of the development of my adenoid face are shown below in chronological order.
Image 1: ~12 months, could be mouthbreathing, could be a natural expression.
Image 2: ~3 years, definite mouthbreathing, canthal tilt is objectively more negative than in the first image as maxilla ceases to support orbitals.
Image 3: ~5 years, symptoms of an adenoid face are more pronounced due to development over time (age), with droopy eyes, a relatively elongated face, mouthbreathing, an upward tilt of the face to open air passages, and artificially low set ears as a result of an upwardly tilted face.
All of these photos are at or before the age of five. I did not post photos of my sister because it's not my place to, but you can imagine her looking the exact same as my two earlier photos, except with the appearance of a closed mouth. As you now know, from the required prereading, an adenoid face causes mouthbreathing, and not the other way around. Mouthbreathing is a symptom, and not the issue. So, we know that my adenoid face was causing my mouthbreathing, but then what exactly was causing my adenoid face?
The required prereading hypothesizes that "the chewing muscles are responsible for people having good looking faces" (chewing tough foods via masticatory muscles prevents the natural backwards and downwards rotation of the maxilla). The prereading also says that kids usually fall within a range of three diets: tough food, soft food, or no food. I am certain that I was raised on a moderately soft food diet, but that isn't the whole story here, because my sister was obviously raised on the same diet and still did not develop as severe of an adenoid face, and therefore did not have the symptom of mouthbreathing.
Reflecting on my childhood, I have recognized that when I ate, I probably preferred to eat soft foods and certainly skewed towards not eating/starving overall. I was incapable of eating and breathing at the same time because I was forced to breathe through my mouth while I ate. I was extremely skinny as a child, and was only 5'0 at the age of fourteen, presumably because I wasn't eating all that much (but also due to genetics). I am also an extremely slow eater, I have to breathe and eat through my mouth at the same time. Additionally, my mother did not feed me hard foods as soon as my teeth developed (because she was hella paranoid and a first time mother at the age of 40) and continued to feed me soft foods until way after I was ready to eat hard foods. My sister happens to be younger than me, and when I began eating hard foods, she began eating the same meals as me, except she was 16 months younger than me when she began to do so. (I may have also been allergic to cats, which I grew up with, or some other antigen which would have prevented me from breathing through my nose while eating, hell, I may have had enlarged adenoids for all I know).
Eating hard food earlier would have activated the use of my sister's masticators 14 months earlier than they would have been activated for me, and therefore the natural downwards and backwards rotation of her jaw would have never occurred, and therefore she would have still had naturally open airways, and therefore she had no reason to mouthbreathe, and therefore she was able to eat meals in a normal timeframe and did not "avoid" hard foods because she was being forced to breathe through her mouth. A compounding effect was avoided.
This same phenomena occurred with my friend. My friend is one of three brothers, and two of them developed normal faces, while he developed an adenoid face. He was also way skinnier compared to his brothers.
To this day, I am still unable to eat quickly or eat foods that take a long time to chew because I am forced to breathe through my mouth; the natural rotation of my jaw obstructs my airways. I am 18 years old, so it is too late to change this without surgery. Even while walking around normally nowadays, artificially breathing through my nose to appear normal, I have to "catch my breath" by mouthbreathing around once every two minutes.
For better or worse, I received camouflage orthodontics, beginning with a first set of braces / Herbst Appliance / palate expander around the age of 10-11 that lasted around 1-2 years, and a second set of braces around the age of 14 that lasted around 3 years, till I turned 17. Modern camouflage orthodontics are so good that the appearance of the face from a head-on view appears almost entirely normal (Ex. Michael B. Jordan). However, the side profile is still obviously recessed. A downside of camouflage orthodontics is that counter-clockwise rotation can no longer take place during double jaw surgery -- camouflage orthodontics artificially straighten an angled malocclusional plane. An example of this is show below.
Image 4: Adenoid face with a slightly angled malocclusional plane caused by natural backwards and downwards rotation of the mandible/maxilla due to inactivity of the masticators. Impacts airways. Notice the head is tipped upwards (relative to image 2 especially) to artificially open the airways. Subject has poor but necessary posture.
Image 5: Normal face with a horizontal malocclusional plane. This is what you guys know as "forward growth," but is really just optimal development of the masticators preventing backwards and downwards rotation of the mandible. Does not impact airways. One of the best health indicators of all time.
Image 6a/b (red lines): Adenoid face with modern camouflage orthodontics. Face appears almost "normal" from the front yet still shows recession from the side, albeit relatively less so than what would have been without orthodontic treatment. Frontal chin-mouth ratio appears normal. Airways remain impacted.
Camouflage orthodontics can possibly be considered as a "crime to the uninformed."
IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS:
Give your children a hard food diet as soon as their teeth come in.
Eat a hard food diet and use your masticators before puberty is over.
Use the teeth in the way they are meant to be used.
Check for enlarged adenoids, allergies, and anything that could prevent children and teenagers from using their nose to breathe while they eat.
Make sure your kid eats enough food overall; heavily lean towards feeding them too much food (healthy food... ofc).
Masticator gum works, but would work better in earlier development.
Treatment for this condition is not camouflage orthodontics, but instead is either 1. DJS w/ CCW rotation or 2. repeated and correct activation of the masticators from the moment your baby teeth come in onwards. Camouflage orthodontics solve some functional/aesthetic issues, but not all.
Prevention is key.
Deformities should never be considered normal.
It is not healthy to have an adenoid face.
Your genetics did not code for an adenoid face.
Mouthbreathing is not a "cause," it is a natural solution (evolution, maybe?). Mouthbreathing does not cause a recessed face. If you need to mouthbreathe, please do so until you can fix the base issue. You don't have to do it in public however, because people will subconsciously treat you worse (I try not to mouthbreathe in public).
HOW TO IDENTIFY ADENOID FACE:
Optimal:
Xray
REAL LIFE:
Angled malocclusional plane.
Artificially sloped forehead (tilting head upwards to open airways).
Artificially low set ears (tilting head upwards to open airways).
"Big" or "Prominent" nose (tilting head upwards to open airways).
Mouthbreathing / unable to receive enough air through the nose.
"Hooked" or "Bumped" nose (the nose is not supported by the maxilla).
Skinny physique.
Takes a long time to eat meals.
Recessed jaw.
Negative canthal tilt.
Poor undereye support / eye hollows.
Poor sleep (blocked airways).
"Sad" appearance.
WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE?
Since I have already received camouflage orthodontics to achieve a horizontal malocclusional plane, CCW can not be performed during a future jaw surgery. I can still receive a normal DJS, but the aesthetic and functional result will be less than what it would have been if I was able to do both in one procedure. Or, I could grow a beard and continue to have functional issues LMAO.
THANK YOU FOR READING!
WHY DO KIDS GET UGLY?
My name is Karol, and I am the person you see in the first image. As a medical student, I saw a number of flaws in the way modern medicine a...
Now that you have read the above (PLEASE read it -- no one should be on this forum without reading it and I am not going to restate necessary information already stated in the article) and pondered over it for some time. I have some examples for you. What is written below assumes that the required prereading is true.
Facial dissonance between siblings is extremely interesting as it relates to the issue of the development of adenoid faces. My case is a very good example of one child developing an adenoid face while the other child develops a normal face. I developed an adenoid face and slanted malocclusional plane w/ a narrow palate while my sister's face developed normally with a horizontal malocclusional plane and a normal palate. Photos of the beginning the of the development of my adenoid face are shown below in chronological order.



Image 1: ~12 months, could be mouthbreathing, could be a natural expression.
Image 2: ~3 years, definite mouthbreathing, canthal tilt is objectively more negative than in the first image as maxilla ceases to support orbitals.
Image 3: ~5 years, symptoms of an adenoid face are more pronounced due to development over time (age), with droopy eyes, a relatively elongated face, mouthbreathing, an upward tilt of the face to open air passages, and artificially low set ears as a result of an upwardly tilted face.
All of these photos are at or before the age of five. I did not post photos of my sister because it's not my place to, but you can imagine her looking the exact same as my two earlier photos, except with the appearance of a closed mouth. As you now know, from the required prereading, an adenoid face causes mouthbreathing, and not the other way around. Mouthbreathing is a symptom, and not the issue. So, we know that my adenoid face was causing my mouthbreathing, but then what exactly was causing my adenoid face?
The required prereading hypothesizes that "the chewing muscles are responsible for people having good looking faces" (chewing tough foods via masticatory muscles prevents the natural backwards and downwards rotation of the maxilla). The prereading also says that kids usually fall within a range of three diets: tough food, soft food, or no food. I am certain that I was raised on a moderately soft food diet, but that isn't the whole story here, because my sister was obviously raised on the same diet and still did not develop as severe of an adenoid face, and therefore did not have the symptom of mouthbreathing.
Reflecting on my childhood, I have recognized that when I ate, I probably preferred to eat soft foods and certainly skewed towards not eating/starving overall. I was incapable of eating and breathing at the same time because I was forced to breathe through my mouth while I ate. I was extremely skinny as a child, and was only 5'0 at the age of fourteen, presumably because I wasn't eating all that much (but also due to genetics). I am also an extremely slow eater, I have to breathe and eat through my mouth at the same time. Additionally, my mother did not feed me hard foods as soon as my teeth developed (because she was hella paranoid and a first time mother at the age of 40) and continued to feed me soft foods until way after I was ready to eat hard foods. My sister happens to be younger than me, and when I began eating hard foods, she began eating the same meals as me, except she was 16 months younger than me when she began to do so. (I may have also been allergic to cats, which I grew up with, or some other antigen which would have prevented me from breathing through my nose while eating, hell, I may have had enlarged adenoids for all I know).
Eating hard food earlier would have activated the use of my sister's masticators 14 months earlier than they would have been activated for me, and therefore the natural downwards and backwards rotation of her jaw would have never occurred, and therefore she would have still had naturally open airways, and therefore she had no reason to mouthbreathe, and therefore she was able to eat meals in a normal timeframe and did not "avoid" hard foods because she was being forced to breathe through her mouth. A compounding effect was avoided.
This same phenomena occurred with my friend. My friend is one of three brothers, and two of them developed normal faces, while he developed an adenoid face. He was also way skinnier compared to his brothers.
To this day, I am still unable to eat quickly or eat foods that take a long time to chew because I am forced to breathe through my mouth; the natural rotation of my jaw obstructs my airways. I am 18 years old, so it is too late to change this without surgery. Even while walking around normally nowadays, artificially breathing through my nose to appear normal, I have to "catch my breath" by mouthbreathing around once every two minutes.
For better or worse, I received camouflage orthodontics, beginning with a first set of braces / Herbst Appliance / palate expander around the age of 10-11 that lasted around 1-2 years, and a second set of braces around the age of 14 that lasted around 3 years, till I turned 17. Modern camouflage orthodontics are so good that the appearance of the face from a head-on view appears almost entirely normal (Ex. Michael B. Jordan). However, the side profile is still obviously recessed. A downside of camouflage orthodontics is that counter-clockwise rotation can no longer take place during double jaw surgery -- camouflage orthodontics artificially straighten an angled malocclusional plane. An example of this is show below.



Image 4: Adenoid face with a slightly angled malocclusional plane caused by natural backwards and downwards rotation of the mandible/maxilla due to inactivity of the masticators. Impacts airways. Notice the head is tipped upwards (relative to image 2 especially) to artificially open the airways. Subject has poor but necessary posture.
Image 5: Normal face with a horizontal malocclusional plane. This is what you guys know as "forward growth," but is really just optimal development of the masticators preventing backwards and downwards rotation of the mandible. Does not impact airways. One of the best health indicators of all time.
Image 6a/b (red lines): Adenoid face with modern camouflage orthodontics. Face appears almost "normal" from the front yet still shows recession from the side, albeit relatively less so than what would have been without orthodontic treatment. Frontal chin-mouth ratio appears normal. Airways remain impacted.
Camouflage orthodontics can possibly be considered as a "crime to the uninformed."
IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS:
Give your children a hard food diet as soon as their teeth come in.
Eat a hard food diet and use your masticators before puberty is over.
Use the teeth in the way they are meant to be used.
Check for enlarged adenoids, allergies, and anything that could prevent children and teenagers from using their nose to breathe while they eat.
Make sure your kid eats enough food overall; heavily lean towards feeding them too much food (healthy food... ofc).
Masticator gum works, but would work better in earlier development.
Treatment for this condition is not camouflage orthodontics, but instead is either 1. DJS w/ CCW rotation or 2. repeated and correct activation of the masticators from the moment your baby teeth come in onwards. Camouflage orthodontics solve some functional/aesthetic issues, but not all.
Prevention is key.
Deformities should never be considered normal.
It is not healthy to have an adenoid face.
Your genetics did not code for an adenoid face.
Mouthbreathing is not a "cause," it is a natural solution (evolution, maybe?). Mouthbreathing does not cause a recessed face. If you need to mouthbreathe, please do so until you can fix the base issue. You don't have to do it in public however, because people will subconsciously treat you worse (I try not to mouthbreathe in public).
HOW TO IDENTIFY ADENOID FACE:
Optimal:
Xray
REAL LIFE:
Angled malocclusional plane.
Artificially sloped forehead (tilting head upwards to open airways).
Artificially low set ears (tilting head upwards to open airways).
"Big" or "Prominent" nose (tilting head upwards to open airways).
Mouthbreathing / unable to receive enough air through the nose.
"Hooked" or "Bumped" nose (the nose is not supported by the maxilla).
Skinny physique.
Takes a long time to eat meals.
Recessed jaw.
Negative canthal tilt.
Poor undereye support / eye hollows.
Poor sleep (blocked airways).
"Sad" appearance.
WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE?
Since I have already received camouflage orthodontics to achieve a horizontal malocclusional plane, CCW can not be performed during a future jaw surgery. I can still receive a normal DJS, but the aesthetic and functional result will be less than what it would have been if I was able to do both in one procedure. Or, I could grow a beard and continue to have functional issues LMAO.
THANK YOU FOR READING!