I can't stand political discussion with normies

[Deleted member 15674]

I hate how people like feminists keep rallying for equality, but when you ask them "why do you think equality is good?" silence. They will say some shit about it being the right thing. Their low IQ sentience pisses me off, why can't they understand THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE GOOD OR BAD, THE SOCIETY YOU GREW UP IN DETERMINES WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD OR BAD. It makes me cage how they think they're fighting against society and patriarchy - DESPITE SOCIETY LITERALLY FUCKING AGREEING WITH YOU. They'll then point to trump supporters and say "erm no they don't!".

JFL, ask the avg American if they support equality. Most will say yes, feminists are fighting for equality (supposedly) yet EVERYONE ALREADY FUCKING BELIEVES IN EQUALITY LOL. YOU AREN'T FIGHTING SHIT, YOU ARE ONLY REINFORCING SOCIETAL NORMS. I'm caging at the idea these fat blue haired whales think they are fighting some big bad guys who are actively working to oppress women - DESPITE THE FACT THAT POWERFUL MEN HAVE NO NEED TO OPPRESS WOMEN AS THEY GET THEIR PICK OF WOMEN AND MOST LIKELY EMPLOY WOMEN AND THUS NEED WORKERS.

These feminists really will do mental gymnastics to live out their hero complexes. Feminism does not harm the status quo and that's why there is no attempt in shutting it down. Feminism is there to only further capitalism and make the system still run. If Elon Musk was female feminists would cry "VICTORY FOR WOMEN!", when in reality their lives haven't changed the slightest, this isn't victory for anyone jfl. THE SYSTEM IS STILL RUNNING, NOTHING CHANGED!

I respect socialists tbh, they at least want to fight the system and recognise that every power structure present was created to reinforce the system - otherwise it would not survive. Although I disagree with the collectivist mindset of socialists, I respect their ability to see through a lot of bullshit. I hate liberals, I hate feminists. I hate all those who think they are fighting the system but only are reinforcing it.

You might ask what am I?

I'm a nobody, apolitical. I just want what's best for me, I have no care for others or morals. If I could wake up tomorrow a billionaire but it meant that women would have to live under sharia law? I'd take it. If I could wake up tomorrow a billionaire and it meant that women were truly free, marriage was eroded and men were to be killed if their test levels were too high? I'd take it - provided I was not affected.

You see the true winners of life think like this, as the words of Mc Breed
You gotta get yours, I gotta get mine.

 

[Deleted member 15674]

tagging those who enjoy my schizo rants
@ItsOVERBuddyBoyos @inferiorpispot234 @currylightskin

 

[currylightskin]

Yeah exactly how can we expect equality if men are stronger than women . Even a 150lbs man will easily win against a 200lbs woman

 

[Deleted member 16275]

I have a high iq uncle who i enjoy talking about politics with tbh, he's philosophymaxxed too so he knows that morality and stuff isnt objective

 

[Deleted member 16275]

I have no care for others or morals

What are your own morals tho?

 

[Deleted member 19499]

Dictators knew this and decided to enforce their shit because retarded normies would eventually obey anyways cause they operate on fear like the cattle that they are.

 

[Deleted member 15674]

I have a high iq uncle who i enjoy talking about politics with tbh, he's philosophymaxxed too so he knows that morality and stuff isnt objective

lucky

What are your own morals tho?

I'm not too sure, whatever is good for me is good. I probably disagree with things like lying and stealing though

 

[Deleted member 16275]

I probably disagree with things like lying and stealing

Reason?


But Yeah, as much as we recognise that the reason we disagree with such things is cus of normalisation of that kind of morality for a long time,, we will be limited, in a way, by our feelings and our conscience
Like no matter what, i cant make myself insensitive to , say, killing someone, although its not objectively immoral

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Reason?


But Yeah, as much as we recognise that the reason we disagree with such things is cus of normalisation of that kind of morality for a long time,, we will be limited, in a way, by our feelings and our conscience
Like no matter what, i cant make myself insensitive to , say, killing someone, although its not objectively immoral

guilt I guess. I have been conditioned into not lying and other shit.

 

[the BULL]

Reason?


But Yeah, as much as we recognise that the reason we disagree with such things is cus of normalisation of that kind of morality for a long time,, we will be limited, in a way, by our feelings and our conscience
Like no matter what, i cant make myself insensitive to , say, killing someone, although its not objectively immoral

that's just because you're light traid. heavy dark triads don't give a shit about other ppl's pain and would even kill them if they could without repercussions

 

[Harold O'brien]

But some equality is good

 

[Deleted member 16275]

I have been conditioned into not lying and other shit

I wonder if it has ties to nature in one way or another.
Not sure if its completely conditioning

 

[the BULL]

But some equality is good

how about real equality?? why i don't see women in the farms?? just admit that we aren't biologically equal, it isn't that fucking hard

 

[Harold O'brien]

how about real equality?? why i don't see women in the farms?? just admit that we aren't biologically equal, it isn't that fucking hard

You don't think we should have equality in opportunity and the law?

 

[the BULL]

You don't think we should have equality in opportunity and the law?

females want equality in opportunities and law only when it pleases them, but they won't do manual labors because that's "man's stuff" and demand an office position, and when there is a divorce they're the ones who must be fed by the ex husband, doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Deleted member 15674]

But some equality is good

why

 

[Harold O'brien]

females want equality in opportunities and law only when it pleases them, but they won't do manual labors because that's "man's stuff" and demand an office position, and when there is a divorce they're the ones who must be fed by the ex husband, doesn't make much sense to me.

Why did you bring up females. Lmfao you are so jaded and biased you cannot think clearly. This is about theoretical ideals

 

[Harold O'brien]

why

Because humans have evolved other regarding preferences that favour equality in certain scenarios. So essentially is you value happiness and society not being a fucking mess some equality is good

 

[the BULL]

Why did you bring up females. Lmfao you are so jaded and biased you cannot think clearly. This is about theoretical ideals

?? why do you always deceive what has just been said when you can't support your narrative. i didn't bring up females, we were talking about that.

 

[Harold O'brien]

?? why do you always deceive what has just been said when you can't support your narrative. i didn't bring up females, we were talking about that.

No I was talking about some equality being desirable. Then you start talking about muh some women think this and that like it somehow matters

 

[Lihito]

I hate how people like feminists keep rallying for equality, but when you ask them "why do you think equality is good?" silence. They will say some shit about it being the right thing. Their low IQ sentience pisses me off, why can't they understand THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE GOOD OR BAD, THE SOCIETY YOU GREW UP IN DETERMINES WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD OR BAD. It makes me cage how they think they're fighting against society and patriarchy - DESPITE SOCIETY LITERALLY FUCKING AGREEING WITH YOU. They'll then point to trump supporters and say "erm no they don't!".

JFL, ask the avg American if they support equality. Most will say yes, feminists are fighting for equality (supposedly) yet EVERYONE ALREADY FUCKING BELIEVES IN EQUALITY LOL. YOU AREN'T FIGHTING SHIT, YOU ARE ONLY REINFORCING SOCIETAL NORMS. I'm caging at the idea these fat blue haired whales think they are fighting some big bad guys who are actively working to oppress women - DESPITE THE FACT THAT POWERFUL MEN HAVE NO NEED TO OPPRESS WOMEN AS THEY GET THEIR PICK OF WOMEN AND MOST LIKELY EMPLOY WOMEN AND THUS NEED WORKERS.

These feminists really will do mental gymnastics to live out their hero complexes. Feminism does not harm the status quo and that's why there is no attempt in shutting it down. Feminism is there to only further capitalism and make the system still run. If Elon Musk was female feminists would cry "VICTORY FOR WOMEN!", when in reality their lives haven't changed the slightest, this isn't victory for anyone jfl. THE SYSTEM IS STILL RUNNING, NOTHING CHANGED!

I respect socialists tbh, they at least want to fight the system and recognise that every power structure present was created to reinforce the system - otherwise it would not survive. Although I disagree with the collectivist mindset of socialists, I respect their ability to see through a lot of bullshit. I hate liberals, I hate feminists. I hate all those who think they are fighting the system but only are reinforcing it.

You might ask what am I?

I'm a nobody, apolitical. I just want what's best for me, I have no care for others or morals. If I could wake up tomorrow a billionaire but it meant that women would have to live under sharia law? I'd take it. If I could wake up tomorrow a billionaire and it meant that women were truly free, marriage was eroded and men were to be killed if their test levels were too high? I'd take it - provided I was not affected.

You see the true winners of life think like this, as the words of Mc Breed
You gotta get yours, I gotta get mine.

Society that focuses on social issues vs crafts is already gynocentric and thus cucked by nature

 

[hebbewem]

Because it hard thing to discuss when two people disagree completely on their values

 

[the BULL]

No I was talking about some equality being desirable. Then you start talking about muh some women think this and that like it somehow matters

look at the first of my post that you quoted schizo

 

[Harold O'brien]

look at the first of my post that you quoted schizo

Look at the first of my posts that you quoted schizo

 

[Gonthar]

I hate how people like feminists keep rallying for equality, but when you ask them "why do you think equality is good?" silence.

Sir, you're Indian, wouldn't you like to be treated equally, like normal people are?

 

[the BULL]

Look at the first of my posts that you quoted schizo

damn it really is impossible to win an argument against you eh

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

They don't actually have political convictions. They just parrot whatever their teams talking points are.
Blue Team Red Team or Liberal vs Conservative is just your upbringing and social group.

Two party system is so fucking stupid and broken. It always ends up with White man party vs white woman party.

"Liberals" think they are good people. They take pride in their moral superiority.
They are supposed to work towards a fairer society and be a voice for the voiceless.
But in reality the movement is hijacked by white women and so it mainly pushes for additional female privileges and create a narrative around eternal victimhood.

Actual groups with little political representation who are actually the voiceless. The people who need help from the progressives the most, such as say Black and Ethnic minorities for example are consistently sidelined.
Liberal white women 100% unironically believe that they face more hurdles , bigotry and prejudice in life than a poor dark skinned immigrant from sri lanka.



"Conservatives" think they are good people. They take pride in protecting the "correct" way to run their society.
They are supposed to protect freedoms and allow citizens to prosper.
But in reality the movement is hijacked by white men and so it mainly pushes to either turn social progress back a few decades or push legislation to harm ethnic people.
So instead of protecting your freedom they are happy to scrap that if they can screw over say muslims in the process for a real life example. Or instead of allowing people to prosper crushes small business and bends over backwards for large corporations due to corruption.

Both think they are saving the world.
Liberals think they are fighting nazis and moving towards a utopia.
Conservatives think they are fighting the jews and their minions and are defending the homeland from being ideologically impure.

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Because humans have evolved other regarding preferences that favour equality in certain scenarios. So essentially is you value happiness and society not being a fucking mess some equality is good

So how does that make it objectively good? At the end of the day, my happiness is what determines something is good. Your evolution arguments says nothing about morality

 

[Deleted member 3946]

So I'll write an essay since I like those topics.

Political discussion with people of any sort except either politicians, or higher IQ (and not necessarily but like actual thinkers) who at least have practiced it is complete cope, no one really knows how to use the information available, no one really knows how to approach the complex issues that are entailed. Anyone who claims otherwise better be able to prove it, otherwise it's a complete time waste, and you should avoid it at all costs, saying shit like "I havent thought about it really" . Right now irl people are going the flow and as long as it doesnt hurt me I dont really care, I just avoid taking part in discussions like that as people are just clueless about it, and Im clueless enough to not be able to correct them in practical terms (but I can debate decently, where the info presented isnt what matters, so it's easier to expose logic gaps).

However, you have to understand, that people do think like you do and want what's best for them and that's entirely subjective. That makes equality related advocating make sense to me as a person who isn't really affected by it in my country. People want to be in good terms with gay/trans/black/whatever people , to make future profit from it in any sort of way (socially,economically). Some people also just have high amount of empathy (due to nurture/nature/through socialization process) for groups which I also feel bad about sometimes, but doing stuff they do is quite frankly not my thing time-investment wise. I personally for example don't feel the need to show that "Im doing smth" (by advocating online/actively support them in discussions and get mad at people who don't), I probably wouldnt be able to super relate with the average gay/trans people in a social group/hangout due to differences in personality and due to experiences we've had making us vastly different people, but I would obviously treat them the exact same as others which is what matters in the end. The billionaire example is a very obvious one and one that quite frankly misses the point of all that stuff.

Generally for me the biggest eyeopener in life has been understanding the value of "PoV". The same way you can't be sure that the other person sees green the same way you do, I'd say you should treat their thinking as long as it's not smth completely retarded and smth that goes both against yours and society well-being. Their thinking is a product of years and years of variables and formulas interacting with each other, so it's hard (and a timewaste) to put yourself in their position to figure what's best for them and make a point about if they're fighting for smth or if it's just completely useless .It's better to be apathetic and have no stance, as the value that is derived from going against people in shit like this is low compared to the value of just listening to them and being neutral as long as it doesn't actively hurt you. Morals is a cope concept, hard to define and nobody really has "them".

 

[Deleted member 16058]

they all want "equality".

but when a war happens women all together forget about their "equal rights", they shut up and do whatever they're told to.

they know they can't endure the stress of war, sitting in a dirty trench, soaked in your sweat you produce from your body you didn't wash for days or even weeks, enduring intense psychological stress, constant danger from shells and bullets.

betrayal and loss of your comrades.

 

[Harold O'brien]

So how does that make it objectively good? At the end of the day, my happiness is what determines something is good. Your evolution arguments says nothing about morality

Objectively good isn't a real thing retard

Your own happiness depends upon the happiness of others and the state of society

Basic morality is evolved

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Objectively good isn't a real thing retard

Your own happiness depends upon the happiness of others and the state of society

Basic morality is evolved

if objective good isn't a thing, then objective morality isn't a thing.

 

[Harold O'brien]

if objective good isn't a thing, then objective morality isn't a thing.

No shit

 

[LooksOrDeath]

and men were to be killed if their test levels were too high? I'd take it - provided I was not affected.

implying you are low T?

 

[disillusioned]

I have a high iq uncle who i enjoy talking about politics with tbh, he's philosophymaxxed too so he knows that morality and stuff isnt objective

This is super low IQ. Morality IS objective. Do you think it's just random that the liberal west is dying? No conservativism = no children since nobody is having babies. Natural selection selects AGAINST liberalism.

 

[Deleted member 20098]

I cant Stand reading this thread which is why i didnt do it