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If you havent read the 1st time i argued about blackpill with my dad, here is the thread:
https://looksmax.org/threads/i-had-...-depression-and-blackpilled-thoughts.1375801/
What happenend just now:
I visited my aunt recently, and on the walk back home with my dad, we started talking about my braces. I mentioned how I wasn’t comfortable with the idea of them shifting my jaw back by 4mm—it felt like too much of a compromise. He dismissed my concern, saying, “Why does it matter, as long as your teeth get straight?” That led to a bigger debate.
Somehow, the conversation shifted to appearance and attractiveness—since bone structure plays a role in that. I brought up how millimeters can impact perceived beauty and health, but he ridiculed the idea, which only sparked another argument. He told me I was already good-looking and just needed to go out and talk to people. He pointed out that “normal” guys, who may not be considered attractive, still live happy lives, flirt, and socialize.
I disagreed. I said those kinds of people often have no real chance with women, because many girls will always have someone better as an option. He countered by saying, “Look around—normal people live in those houses, and they’re all settled down.” I pushed back again, saying a lot of those relationships only happen when women are ready to settle down after going through a lot of flings. I admitted bluntly that I wouldn’t want to be with someone who's been “ran through,” using words he found harsh. He called me crazy and said something was wrong with me.
I explained that I see things realistically—not through rose-colored glasses. He told me I just needed to go out and socialize more. I told him that because of my childhood, I’ve become very asocial and my ability to connect with people is severely underdeveloped. People expect a certain level of social competence from the start, especially here in the Netherlands, and if you don't have it, they immediately lose interest. First impressions are everything.
He suggested I talk to people who are also socially awkward. I argued that those people usually don’t go outside either—they're just like me. Then he said, “Well, talk to people at the gym.” I explained that the gym isn’t really a social place—it’s for working on your body. Most people there are older, and younger ones usually come in pairs or with friends.
He asked why I wasn’t going with my friend anymore, like I used to. I replied that if he really wanted to hang out, he’d ask. But he doesn’t. He has new college friends now. My dad said, “Why don’t you reach out first?” But to me, that comes off as desperate—and nobody wants to be around someone who seems desperate.
When we finally got home, I admitted that the reason I’m so focused on my appearance is because I feel like I need to compensate for the social skills I never got to develop. I explained that attractive people tend to be given more chances socially—people are more willing to go out of their comfort zone to talk to someone they find appealing.
In the end, he insisted I still needed to make the effort to talk to people. I responded that I would—once I look the way I want to—because right now, I don’t have the social tools to win people over otherwise. I said that if I can’t improve my appearance, then it’s over for me socially.
He said, “Then you’ll live alone forever.”
And I replied, “Yes. That’s probably what will happen.”
So i am now taking a bath and honestly i shouldve also said if that were to happen id [censored] It is whatever though, nobody can tell the future. Maybe things will get better but i doubt it.
TLDR;
Title or read thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/i-had-...-depression-and-blackpilled-thoughts.1375801/
What happenend just now:
I visited my aunt recently, and on the walk back home with my dad, we started talking about my braces. I mentioned how I wasn’t comfortable with the idea of them shifting my jaw back by 4mm—it felt like too much of a compromise. He dismissed my concern, saying, “Why does it matter, as long as your teeth get straight?” That led to a bigger debate.
Somehow, the conversation shifted to appearance and attractiveness—since bone structure plays a role in that. I brought up how millimeters can impact perceived beauty and health, but he ridiculed the idea, which only sparked another argument. He told me I was already good-looking and just needed to go out and talk to people. He pointed out that “normal” guys, who may not be considered attractive, still live happy lives, flirt, and socialize.
I disagreed. I said those kinds of people often have no real chance with women, because many girls will always have someone better as an option. He countered by saying, “Look around—normal people live in those houses, and they’re all settled down.” I pushed back again, saying a lot of those relationships only happen when women are ready to settle down after going through a lot of flings. I admitted bluntly that I wouldn’t want to be with someone who's been “ran through,” using words he found harsh. He called me crazy and said something was wrong with me.
I explained that I see things realistically—not through rose-colored glasses. He told me I just needed to go out and socialize more. I told him that because of my childhood, I’ve become very asocial and my ability to connect with people is severely underdeveloped. People expect a certain level of social competence from the start, especially here in the Netherlands, and if you don't have it, they immediately lose interest. First impressions are everything.
He suggested I talk to people who are also socially awkward. I argued that those people usually don’t go outside either—they're just like me. Then he said, “Well, talk to people at the gym.” I explained that the gym isn’t really a social place—it’s for working on your body. Most people there are older, and younger ones usually come in pairs or with friends.
He asked why I wasn’t going with my friend anymore, like I used to. I replied that if he really wanted to hang out, he’d ask. But he doesn’t. He has new college friends now. My dad said, “Why don’t you reach out first?” But to me, that comes off as desperate—and nobody wants to be around someone who seems desperate.
When we finally got home, I admitted that the reason I’m so focused on my appearance is because I feel like I need to compensate for the social skills I never got to develop. I explained that attractive people tend to be given more chances socially—people are more willing to go out of their comfort zone to talk to someone they find appealing.
In the end, he insisted I still needed to make the effort to talk to people. I responded that I would—once I look the way I want to—because right now, I don’t have the social tools to win people over otherwise. I said that if I can’t improve my appearance, then it’s over for me socially.
He said, “Then you’ll live alone forever.”
And I replied, “Yes. That’s probably what will happen.”
So i am now taking a bath and honestly i shouldve also said if that were to happen id [censored] It is whatever though, nobody can tell the future. Maybe things will get better but i doubt it.
TLDR;
Title or read thread
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