I got severely under advanced

[Deleted member 120722]

This is very infuriating after spending 15k+ and 1 year of my life aswell as the brutal recovery just to look the fucking same

For context I posted my plan here a while ago and I had my doubts but decided to go with it

I am now 2 weeks post op and it feels like shit, even suffering through the social shame of having surgery

It’s genuinely over that was the last bit of money I had aswell

 

[Deleted member 126365]

what did u do

 

[Deleted member 120722]

what did u do

Bimax + genio

 

[sipomado]

how much advancement?

 

[demerol]

Pics

 

[Foreverbrad]

4mm LF1 and 12mm BSSO was the plan.

Did they not make these movements or were these movements just not enough?

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Well, at least you are not a redditor who get's his madibles pushed back.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

This is very infuriating after spending 15k+ and 1 year of my life aswell as the brutal recovery just to look the fucking same

For context I posted my plan here a while ago and I had my doubts but decided to go with it

I am now 2 weeks post op and it feels like shit, even suffering through the social shame of having surgery

It’s genuinely over that was the last bit of money I had aswell

Yeah but bimax doesn't do much form the front, i've seen that you got 4mm lf 1 and 12 mm's bsso, how does it look under advanced, were you giga reccesed inb4?, also swelling plays a big role.

 

[Foreverbrad]

4mm LF1 and 12mm BSSO was the plan.

Did they not make these movements or were these movements just not enough?

Disregard this, I missed the Genio, correct numbers were:

4mm Lefort
6mm BSSO
5mm Genio

“Did they not make these movements or were these movements just not enough?” question still stands. I’m not sure I would bother with a half centimetre bimax personally.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Disregard this, I missed the Genio, correct numbers were:

4mm Lefort
6mm BSSO
5mm Genio

“Did they not make these movements or were these movements just not enough?” question still stands. I’m not sure I would bother with a half centimetre bimax personally.

Yeah it's still a good advancement, swelling just hides the advancement as i seen many results after them getting unswelled.

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

5mm BSSO ins't enough if you're recessed you need at least 10-11mm

what did you expect with the surgery plan ?

 

[Deleted member 120722]

Disregard this, I missed the Genio, correct numbers were:

4mm Lefort
6mm BSSO
5mm Genio

“Did they not make these movements or were these movements just not enough?” question still stands. I’m not sure I would bother with a half centimetre bimax personally.

No he says he made the movements

The problem was with my lips and it should get better when the soft tissue learn their place, aswell as swelling being a huge factor

I still think I shoulda been advanced 3-4mm but it should look fine, for now am not gonna judge until 1 month mark

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Surgeon name?

 

[Whirr22222]

How could they have underadvanced if u got 1 year decomp? surely they just match that. Also sorry to hear that thats brutal

 

[Deleted member 120722]

How could they have underadvanced if u got 1 year decomp? surely they just match that. Also sorry to hear that thats brutal

My bite is perfect but they under advanced my upper jaw

The lower jaw is always advanced relative to
Upper jaw position

 

[Deleted member 120722]

Surgeon name?

Just a local surgeon from Australia

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Never do bluepilled surgeon

save money you can get bimax until you're 43 it's never too late

I'm 33 and only started orthodontics next month , will probably do teeth extraction to get 13 mm BSSO

I'm broke as fuck but still managed to save 5k per year since 2021 working part time because I'm too depressed to find a full time work and got rejected all the time from job interviews because I'm a LTN man and employers only hire females / NT HTNs as employment is high in my country

I failed College as a depressed Incel looser when I realize I was ugly at 20 while I got my undergraduate being a bluepill cuck in 2012

 

[Deleted member 120722]

Never do bluepilled surgeon

save money you can get bimax until you're 43 it's never too late

He’s not blue pilled he cares about asthetics but he told me it’s a bad idea to advance maxilla more or I would look like a chimp

Am only 20 lol

 

[Foreverbrad]

My bite is perfect but they under advanced my upper jaw

The lower jaw is always advanced relative to
Upper jaw position

How do you know your upper jaw is under advanced?
Bad (more than square) nasolabial angle? Nasolabial folds?

Remember you can’t really move the nasal base so without Lefort 2/3 it’s quite limited what you can actually do with bimax with regard to the upper jaw.

Never do bluepilled surgeon

save money you can get bimax until you're 43 it's never too late

I'm 33 and only started orthodontics next month , will probably do teeth extraction to get 13 mm BSSO

I'm broke as fuck but still managed to save 5k per year since 2021 working part time because I'm too depressed to find a full time work and got rejected all the time from job interviews because I'm a LTN man and employers only hire females / NT HTNs as employment is high in my country

I failed College as a depressed Incel looser when I realize I was ugly at 20 while I got my undergraduate being a bluepill cuck in 2012

Sounds like his next surgery is probably Lefort 2/3 plus a second BSSO otherwise he’ll dogmax.

 

[lurking truecel]

doing more then 5 mm lefort 1 will cuck lip and if you dont have the occlusional plane to do much ccw, you just cant do much about more then getting a huge genio. its probably fine. and how dare you judge a bimax result within two weeks, it takes 3 months minimum to see the full result esp lip and cheeks

 

[latetothegame]

Within 2 weeks bruh I look like a frog and a monkey simultaneously from my bimax at that timeframe. There's no way to judge the result, swelling is insane. I feel you on the regret, it's mentally scary thinking you botched yourself. But we can just wait.

 

[longjohnmong]

People's self reported Lefort movements are meaningless because what are they even talking about?

4mm ANS? 4mm incisor tip? 4mm linear advancement?

If you're measuring from incisor tip, you'll have more advancement from the exact same amount of rotation if you have longer teeth than someone else.

Even the same measurement, 4mm incisor tip for instance, would look different whether it were from CCW rotation or linear advance or some combination.

 

[ScramFranklin]

doing more then 5 mm lefort 1 will cuck lip and if you dont have the occlusional plane to do much ccw, you just cant do much about more then getting a huge genio. its probably fine. and how dare you judge a bimax result within two weeks, it takes 3 months minimum to see the full result esp lip and cheeks

Not true, I got double that, 10mm lefort 1 and my lips look much better

 

[lurking truecel]

Not true, I got double that, 10mm lefort 1 and my lips look much better

Yea it depends on how recessed ypu sre and if ypu have the phil to handle it and if its ccw or linear

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

Have u consulted giants?

 

[monecel]

4mm LF1 and 12mm BSSO was the plan.

Did they not make these movements or were these movements just not enough?

why only 4mm LF1? seems like a large gap unless he had a huge overbite

 

[Foreverbrad]

why only 4mm LF1? seems like a large gap unless he had a huge overbite

Check his post history for details

 

[avgcel]

Yo sorry to hear man, I had similar experience had my surgery a year ago and got no maxilla advancement my philtrum is flat and unsupported now or I relapsed and asymmetric genio- have revision surgery in a few days 6mm maxilla 11mm at pog and centering genio. Are you planning to get a revision?

Edit: Also my right mandible relapsed, using custom plates this time so hopefully stable

 

[lurking truecel]

Yo sorry to hear man, I had similar experience had my surgery a year ago and got no maxilla advancement my philtrum is flat and unsupported now or I relapsed and asymmetric genio- have revision surgery in a few days 6mm maxilla 11mm at pog and centering genio. Are you planning to get a revision?

Edit: Also my right mandible relapsed, using custom plates this time so hopefully stable

Maxilla gets flat when moving to linearly, 6 mm maxilla movements is gonna make phil longer esp if its already flat, flat phil probably comes from ypur surgeon doing subspinal because nasal spine is usually whats gives the phil a curve.

 

[lurking truecel]

This is very infuriating after spending 15k+ and 1 year of my life aswell as the brutal recovery just to look the fucking same

For context I posted my plan here a while ago and I had my doubts but decided to go with it

I am now 2 weeks post op and it feels like shit, even suffering through the social shame of having surgery

It’s genuinely over that was the last bit of money I had aswell

But yea why the hell you judge bimax after 2 weeks when 40% of swelling is on after left 4 weeks. Some people are just to mentally unstable to get surgery and have unrealistic expectations

 

[avgcel]

Maxilla gets flat when moving to linearly, 6 mm maxilla movements is gonna make phil longer esp if its already flat, flat phil probably comes from ypur surgeon doing subspinal because nasal spine is usually whats gives the phil a curve.

it wasn't linear, I was inappropriately clockwise rotated I think. I am getting counterclockwise rotation this time. 3mm posterior downgraft and 1mm anterior overall roughly 2 degree rotation I think. The hope is the 1mm downgraft and 6mm at incisor provides more support for the upper lip... Is that correct to assume?

Also the osteotomy was not subspinal from the looks of the planning - my maxilla was just not advanced and/or relapsed. Current plan is a high lefort cut as well, it should provide support to my nose

Edit: ANS movement is only 3.55mm for context

 

[lurking truecel]

it wasn't linear, I was inappropriately clockwise rotated I think. I am getting counterclockwise rotation this time. 3mm posterior downgraft and 1mm anterior overall roughly 2 degree rotation I think. The hope is the 1mm downgraft and 6mm at incisor provides more support for the upper lip... Is that correct to assume?

Also the osteotomy was not subspinal from the looks of the planning - my maxilla was just not advanced and/or relapsed. Current plan is a high lefort cut as well, it should provide support to my nose

Edit: ANS movement is only 3.55mm for context

I mean probably true, but maybe you are overestimating bones/teeth role in the upper lip support and philitrum. I mean its also muscles etc. And ofc the width and angle of the teeths. But yea i thunk the plan is good, higher cut lefort has many benefits. Why do you think it was relapsed btw, its very rare, and its mostly due to condyles than anything else. Otherwise it could just be teeth position relapse as thats def more common, and its also even less common to get relapse on smaller advancements, the bigger advancements the higher risk of relapse both thru stretching of muscles and weight physical force pn the condyles. And with ccw this becomes worse aswell, but ofc maybe your surgeon places bad plates but feels rare

 

[avgcel]

I mean probably true, but maybe you are overestimating bones/teeth role in the upper lip support and philitrum. I mean its also muscles etc. And ofc the width and angle of the teeths. But yea i thunk the plan is good, higher cut lefort has many benefits. Why do you think it was relapsed btw, its very rare, and its mostly due to condyles than anything else. Otherwise it could just be teeth position relapse as thats def more common, and its also even less common to get relapse on smaller advancements, the bigger advancements the higher risk of relapse both thru stretching of muscles and weight physical force pn the condyles. And with ccw this becomes worse aswell, but ofc maybe your surgeon places bad plates but feels rare

Stock plates and improperly seated condyle maybe idk - using custom fixation this time. I have no proof that I relapsed in my maxilla other than me superimposing my scans post op and seeing my maxilla was unmoved but its hard to tell and surgeon ego won't admit if he fucked up and he's he doesn't seem care too much for aesthetics just that my bite is aligned, I fucked up should have gone to a black pilled surgeon.

I was told after though I relapsed on my right mandible causing asymmetry and throwing off my genio which is the big reason for revision and the only reason he agrees to revision but I want full revision if I am going back under.

If it doesn't fix philtrum ig I could consider a lip lift and/or rhino because I have no idea what could cause it other than maxilla anymore surgeries and my nerves are fried for life prob tho

 

[Deleted member 120722]

Some people are just to mentally unstable to get surgery and have unrealistic expectations

It’s really easy to tell people not to judge until 6 months or whatever, but when your actually experiencing it, it’s a different story

That’s just like telling me to accept my appearance and be happy with myself, easy for other people to tell but it doesn’t work like that

 

[lurking truecel]

It’s really easy to tell people not to judge until 6 months or whatever, but when your actually experiencing it, it’s a different story

That’s just like telling me to accept my appearance and be happy with myself, easy for other people to tell but it doesn’t work like that

Yea, and ofc it is, but its the deal. Bimax is litteraly 1 year recovery before you are normal with no lookmax defiency like minor swelling that acts as bloating. Doing a bimax as a mentally ill person with bdd is not ideal. It takes litteraly 6 month to 1 year before your bones are healed. Untill then you are still at risk of complication, so time to relax. Looks are should be the least of your concerns right now. And it will take atleast 3 months untill you even slightly should think about it.

 

[truecopecell]

It’s really easy to tell people not to judge until 6 months or whatever, but when your actually experiencing it, it’s a different story

That’s just like telling me to accept my appearance and be happy with myself, easy for other people to tell but it doesn’t work like that

dont make a judgement just yet

some people have a lot of the swelling come down in less than a month. some in 1-3 months. others 6-12 months. regardless itll still take about a year for you to see your new face.


but you havent even reached a month, which is what most people need to reach before they notice a lot less swelling.

can always talk to surgeon and they can see if you need revision, that needs to happen sometimes.

 

[ericnv]

People's self reported Lefort movements are meaningless because what are they even talking about?

4mm ANS? 4mm incisor tip? 4mm linear advancement?

If you're measuring from incisor tip, you'll have more advancement from the exact same amount of rotation if you have longer teeth than someone else.

Even the same measurement, 4mm incisor tip for instance, would look different whether it were from CCW rotation or linear advance or some combination.

Hey bro I have my surgical plan with all measurements etc do you have a moment to give me advice? I can’t pm sadly I just made this account but message me or reply on how to contact you