I hate having to take sides between Jews and Muslims as a christian

[Sandriguez]

So I get that hurting Israel is wrong from a Christian biblical POV it's touching the cornea of gods eye in Bible

At same time I don't mindlessly hate muslims and even have some Muslim family like my sister

I don't like to pretend I hate Jews around Muslims and I dont like to pretend to hate muslims with my Jewish friend

that’s the thing papi

your NOT supposed to choose sides between the two as a christian

 

[Meteor21]

All this could be avoided if you were just racist

 

[coolman985]

Kufr confirmed. You could say it's just a state of mind like ibn sina - who is still a kafir. But he didn't deny an afterlife in theory.

What did ibn Sina do again?

 

[lucifer88]

Well, I do believe God is real because I don’t believe we just came into existence after some coincidental explosion in the sky. And that we were one-celled and involved into what we are now. There is a Creator, I think this is the logical conclusion for any scientist. Too many variables that come into play, which cannot be brushed off as a mere coincidence. As for prophets, they were sent to spread the word, of the existence of God. However, I just don’t buy the afterlife stuff, even though that’s integral and preached as well. I’m a pessimistic nihilist, so it’s impossible for me to believe in something that sounds so good.

prophets are just wannabe philosophic puppet niggers shaped by manmade constructs that we call "culture" and history theyre not evidence of a divine sender but of the human need to anchor meaning in narrative the word they spread is not revelation but persuasion and persuasion is not proof it is psychology and niggas wanna see it as metaphysics, retarded shit, notion of coincidence is itself a projection of human discomfort with randomness bc we cant rlly accept our existence is meaningless

 

[JohnDoe]

No offense, but I don’t really care about what you or anyone else thinks. I don’t think I’m a kafir and neither you nor @JohnDoe can convince me otherwise.

If you don't believe in an afterlife then how can you be a muslim? i don't get it, one of the main components of our religion is the afterlife and what we do in this life translates into what we get in the hereafter. To not believe in it just doesn't make sense to me as that's a core Islamic belief ?, anyhow i am not here to convince you of anything

 

[lucifer88]

I am but the idea of an afterlife seems like cope to me ngl.

you are funny

 

[Gengar]

If you don't believe in an afterlife then how can you be a muslim? i don't get it, one of the main components of our religion is the afterlife and what we do in this life translates into what we get in the hereafter. To not believe in it just doesn't make sense to me as that's a core Islamic belief ?, anyhow i am not here to convince you of anything

I believe in everything except for the afterlife. I don’t think that makes me a kafir; and that’s what @SecularIslamist and you were just saying.

 

[coolman985]

No offense, but I don’t really care about what you or anyone else thinks. I don’t think I’m a kafir and neither you nor @JohnDoe can convince me otherwise.

The thing is belief in the last day is one of the requirements of being Muslim it’s the same as believing in the prophets in the pillars of iman

 

[Gengar]

prophets are just wannabe philosophic puppet niggers shaped by manmade constructs that we call "culture" and history theyre not evidence of a divine sender but of the human need to anchor meaning in narrative the word they spread is not revelation but persuasion and persuasion is not proof it is psychology and niggas wanna see it as metaphysics, retarded shit, notion of coincidence is itself a projection of human discomfort with randomness bc we cant rlly accept our existence is meaningless

But how do they benefit from it? Their aim was never to bring importance to themselves; only the Creator and that He must be worshipped alone.

 

[JohnDoe]

I believe in everything except for the afterlife. I don’t think that makes me a kafir; and that’s what @SecularIslamist and you were just saying.

But that is a core belief of Islam though? it's not me or secular making the rules, these are the rules of God and our religion, you either abide by them or you don't, you can't just say i believe in part of it and not the part that i personally don't like because of my nihilistic mindset. It's between you and Allah but that's just my opinion on it.

 

[Gengar]

The thing is belief in the last day is one of the requirements of being Muslim it’s the same as believing in the prophets in the pillars of iman

I’m aware of the fact that the afterlife is something that one must believe in, but I am incapable of doing that.

 

[Gengar]

@JohnDoe I am taking a shit right now so I won’t respond to your post ATM.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Cue the righteous Muslim men who are going to tell me what I am and what I’m not.

No offense, but I don’t really care about what you or anyone else thinks. I don’t think I’m a kafir and neither you nor @JohnDoe can convince me otherwise.

You can believe in what you want. But why call yourself Muslim? You believe in God? Fine. Millions of people do.It's definitely not an islamic one. Not even a controversial islamic position. Why cling to a community that has conditions which are foundational that you reject?

What did ibn Sina do again?

Many great things in medicine and philosophy. Even the Sharia Just had weird theological beliefs. He didn't deny core tenents just interpreted them to the point of apostasy like many mutazilites.

 

[coolman985]

I’m aware of the fact that the afterlife is something that one must believe in, but I am incapable of doing that.

Sorry didn’t mean to jfl

 

[lucifer88]

But how do they benefit from it? Their aim was never to bring importance to themselves; only the Creator and that He must be worshipped alone.

the human mind craves certainty and prophets provide it they become the embodiment of divine will and in doing so they secure a place beyond ordinary mortality their.
the benefit lies not in the pursuit of vanity but in the architecture of influence because when a figure claims to erase the self before the creator the paradox is that the self becomes the indispensable vessel through which the divine is known and that vessel cannot be ignored the prophet becomes the living threshold between silence and revelation and in that position he acquires a power that is subtle yet immense

 

[Gengar]

You can believe in what you want. But why call yourself Muslim? You believe in God? Fine. Millions of people do.It's definitely not an islamic one. Not even a controversial islamic position. Why cling to a community that has conditions which are foundational that you reject?

Many great things in medicine and philosophy. Even the Sharia Just had weird theological beliefs. He didn't deny core tenents just interpreted them to the point of apostasy like many mutazilites.

I don’t call myself Muslim. I am certainly not a Muslim; but neither are you or anyone else who claim to be. We are all Islamic. Some are just worse than others.

 

[Gengar]

Sorry didn’t mean to jfl

I thought you JFL’d the shitting part.

 

[Gengar]

the human mind craves certainty and prophets provide it they become the embodiment of divine will and in doing so they secure a place beyond ordinary mortality their.
the benefit lies not in the pursuit of vanity but in the architecture of influence because when a figure claims to erase the self before the creator the paradox is that the self becomes the indispensable vessel through which the divine is known and that vessel cannot be ignored the prophet becomes the living threshold between silence and revelation and in that position he acquires a power that is subtle yet immense

I’m not sure I’m convinced. Prophets were ostracized and often killed by the societies they preached in. They embarked on selfless endeavors.

 

[lucifer88]

dnr u took too long to answr,

I’m not sure I’m convinced. Prophets were ostracized and often killed by the societies they preached in. They embarked on selfless endeavors.

 

[Gengar]

But that is a core belief of Islam though? it's not me or secular making the rules, these are the rules of God and our religion, you either abide by them or you don't, you can't just say i believe in part of it and not the part that i personally don't like because of my nihilistic mindset. It's between you and Allah but that's just my opinion on it.

Interesting take; at least you’re not takfiring me like @SecularIslamist.

 

[Gengar]

dnr u took too long to answr,

I was taking a shit. I actually gave a logical explanation as to why your reasoning doesn’t apply. Read it, or keep it DNR’d if you don’t want to be proven wrong.

 

[lucifer88]

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I was taking a shit. I actually gave a logical explanation as to why your reasoning doesn’t apply. Read it, or keep it DNR’d if you don’t want to be proven wrong.

k gengar i love u

 

[Gengar]

o

k gengar i love u

I love you too, Lucifer.

 

[ascendingalways]

I'll explain to you

For us the Jewish nation is like what the masjid al haram is for you guys

Even if Jews tried to genocide us all we protestant christian believe all of Israel will be saved and all Jews go to heaven and they are still the chosen people

It's just the merit of their ancestors like Isaac Abraham and Jacob not their own merit it has to do with the promises to the patriarchs

Just to clarify, the biblical state of Israel is wherever the sons of Abram go. It's not an actual place. When Jesus came upon the Earth he replaced the laws that the Jews already had back then and became the law. He became the state of Israel or smth like that

 

[coolman985]

Interesting take; at least you’re not takfiring me like @SecularIslamist.

Yes unless someone is a scholar they cannot takfir someone all I’m saying is that you have to believe in the 6 pillars of ıman To be a Muslim by definition

 

[SecularIslamist]

Yes unless someone is a scholar they cannot takfir someone all I’m saying is that you have to believe in the 6 pillars of ıman To be a Muslim by definition

You don't need to be a scholar to takfir this. It's just calling out things for what they are. There are no grey areas here. The logical consequences of what you're saying that the disbelief in the pillars of Islam does not make you a Muslim is by definition takfir too

You just don't want to say it. If someone says they don't believe in the projects and angels but still identify as Muslim are they Muslim too?

I Get why you're saying this and many sects like khawarij takfir casually - but other sects like the Murjiah and jahmiyyah would never call anyone an apostate. They are like the "only god can judge me" crowd we see today in meme Christianity.

 

[yandex99]

Just to clarify, the biblical state of Israel is wherever the sons of Abram go. It's not an actual place. When Jesus came upon the Earth he replaced the laws that the Jews already had back then and became the law. He became the state of Israel or smth like that

That's not the dispensation of the end times

 

[yandex99]

All this could be avoided if you were just racist

Bible says love the foreign alien like you love yourself

I disavow racism and xenophobia

 

[Gamerspyy786]

So I get that hurting Israel is wrong from a Christian biblical POV it's touching the cornea of gods eye in Bible

At same time I don't mindlessly hate muslims and even have some Muslim family like my sister

I don't like to pretend I hate Jews around Muslims and I dont like to pretend to hate muslims with my Jewish friend

Modern day Israel has no biblical backing or importance. That land is stolen, and is basically Palestine. Real “jews” are mostly Arab and Palestinian.

 

[yandex99]

Modern day Israel has no biblical backing or importance. That land is stolen, and is basically Palestine. Real “jews” are mostly Arab and Palestinian.

Yes,many West Bank Palestinian persons are of partial or full Israelites descent,but so are the mizrahi.
I myself may have some Israelites descent as my great grandmother was Syrian.

And yemeni Jews are very high Israelites

I believe Jesus was black skinned as it's says in Daniel and revelation and the father is brown like jaspire in revelations

I believe God has a plan for the remnant of Judah among Palestinians

I believe messianic movement surge and Islamic people coming to Christ enmasse like in Iran and north Africa will bring peace

Arab Christians and Jews get along

 

[yandex99]

Modern day Israel has no biblical backing or importance. That land is stolen, and is basically Palestine. Real “jews” are mostly Arab and Palestinian.

My issue is with the pro Palestine movement being so blatantly pro killing civilians and children and defending October 7th

They have no moral high ground

It just now amounts too you're killing people I like but we don't care if Hamas does it to you

 

[JohnDoe]

My issue is with the pro Palestine movement being so blatantly pro killing civilians and children and defending October 7th

They have no moral high ground

It just now amounts too you're killing people I like but we don't care if Hamas does it to you

That is because jews are evil and the enemies of humanity. You are simply too bluepilled or ignorant to know how much damage jews have done to humanity. Oct 7th was nothing compared to what the israelis have done for the past 10 years and more. When you oppress people to such a level, they will naturally do terrorist acts because they are not funded or strong enough to fight you conventially. The oppressor does not deserve any sympathy here, if you kill palestinian women and children for so many years, you can't complain when hamas butchers israeli civilians.

 

[whiteegyptian]

fuck jesus

 

[whiteegyptian]

That is because jews are evil and the enemies of humanity. You are simply too bluepilled or ignorant to know how much damage jews have done to humanity. Oct 7th was nothing compared to what the israelis have done for the past 10 years and more. When you oppress people to such a level, they will naturally do terrorist acts because they are not funded or strong enough to fight you conventially. The oppressor does not deserve any sympathy here, if you kill palestinian women and children for so many years, you can't complain when hamas butchers israeli civilians.

another wannabe genuis, gg!!!

 

[TNT]

So I get that hurting Israel is wrong from a Christian biblical POV it's touching the cornea of gods eye in Bible

At same time I don't mindlessly hate muslims and even have some Muslim family like my sister

I don't like to pretend I hate Jews around Muslims and I dont like to pretend to hate muslims with my Jewish friend

Wasn't ur god Born as a jew

 

[EmperorVon]

You are all the same, stupid Abrahamic dogs believing in Jewish fairytales