I have severe maxilla recession with big mandible and I have a 15/16 cm philtrum lenght

[Deleted member 16264]

Will reducing the verticalization of my maxilla, reduce my philtrum lenght? My upper lip is enormous but not defined since I have always been a mouth breather

 

[LooksDeficiency]

15/16 cm philtrum lenght
My condolences

 

[Constantin Denis]

wtf u mean 15cm philtrum lenght ? that's impossible

 

[ChristianChad]

Pls include pic of your philtrum

 

[Duke of cumskins]

Nigga has 10x bigger philtrum than me

 

[homesick]

Who cares! Looks dont matter! U can slay with 15cm philtrum.

 

[.👽.]

Nigga has 10x bigger philtrum than me

niggas philtrum longer than my cock

 

[Patient A]

niggas philtrum longer than my cock

 

[Deleted member 16264]

wtf u mean 15cm philtrum lenght ? that's impossible

15/16 mm, sorry ahaha I will correct the title

 

[Deleted member 11770]

15mm is literally average philtrum length, your midface is probably just long there's no fixing that

 

[Deleted member 16264]

15mm is literally average philtrum length, your midface is probably just long there's no fixing that

Yeah my midface is long compared to the width but my midface ratio is like 0.99 and I have nasolabial folds (probably for recession) at 20. I'm proportional and I result as cute to girls (not handsome)

Anyway I have a really long lower third that is unharmonious as shit and narrower that it would be with a average maxilla and without more than 1/2 cm of retrusion

 

[Deleted member 11770]

Yeah my midface is long compared to the width but my midface ratio is like 0.99 and I have nasolabial folds (probably for recession) at 20. I'm proportional and I result as cute to girls (not handsome)

Anyway I have a really long lower third that is unharmonious as shit and narrower that it would be with a average maxilla and without more than 1/2 cm of retrusion

So your midface isn't long, you know 1.00 is the ideal midface ratio right?

The issue is your long chin and maxillary recession then.

 

[Deleted member 399]

15/16 cm philtrum lenght

 

[Deleted member 16264]

So your midface isn't long, you know 1.00 is the ideal midface ratio right?

The issue is your long chin and maxillary recession then.

Yeah it is a big issue for me... Mouth breathing caused by genetic problems in the nose has ruined my genetic potential... My skull is like a wide pine nut with a maybe prominent chin, but recessed... So you see a chin, but this is far from the other features of the face... And I have a flat face with no cheekbones

 

[Deleted member 16264]

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[Deleted member 16264]

Pls include pic of your philtrum

 

[ChristianChad]

Kek

 

[Deleted member 16264]

Kek

Is it long or just awful angle?

 

[ChristianChad]

Is it long or just awful angle?

Fairly long

 

[Deleted member 16264]

Fairly long

OK thanks, Is the lenght (some mm) caused by recession? I have the lower lip that is bigger, more forward and hangs down while most models have the upper one that is bigger.

 

[ChristianChad]

OK thanks, Is the lenght (some mm) caused by recession? I have the lower lip that is bigger, more forward and hangs down while most models have the upper one that is bigger.

Im not knowledgeable enough to answer that
@LooksOverAll what do u think?

 

[Deleted member 16264]

Im not knowledgeable enough to answer that
@LooksOverAll what do u think?

@LooksOverAll when I simulate to have forward growth my philtrum becomes shorter and my upper lip becomes bigger, and I can see the definition of it (right now my upper lip is still not defined), however for genetics I don't have a short philtrum. If I hadn't full and big lips, right now my philtrum would be way way longer...

 

[Deleted member 16264]

@LooksOverAll when I simulate to have forward growth my philtrum becomes shorter and my upper lip becomes bigger, and I can see the definition of it (right now my upper lip is still not defined), however for genetics I don't have a short philtrum. If I hadn't full and big lips, right now my philtrum would be way way longer...

@LooksOverAll

Nose length : average, on the shorter side

Midface Ratio: 0.99

Philtrum to Chin Ratio: around 2.25

FWHR ratio: difficult to calculate because of my recession, but it's around 1.55/1.6

Philtrum length: 16 mm

My chin is not even supported by the bone.

Full lips ideally of the same size, but right now the lower is more forward and before mewing it used to hang down since I was a mouth-breather. I'm 20, wide and thick tongue. My palate, which is not too narrow, is still expanding, but I have more than 1 cm recession. Never used my nose to breathe (apart from when I did sports) in my whole life, until 18 years old. My tongue was always on the bottom of my mouth or I was always with my mouth open. I've got my 3rd class malocclusion + open bite + Cross bite corrected, so my teeth are aligned and I've got no malocclusion... I'm not a birdcel (recession of the mandible so jaw surgery) so it's not over yet

 

[Deleted member 7725]

@LooksOverAll

Nose length : average, on the shorter side

Midface Ratio: 0.99

Philtrum to Chin Ratio: around 2.25

FWHR ratio: difficult to calculate because of my recession, but it's around 1.55/1.6

Philtrum length: 16 mm

My chin is not even supported by the bone.

Full lips ideally of the same size, but right now the lower is more forward and before mewing it used to hang down since I was a mouth-breather. I'm 20, wide and thick tongue. My palate, which is not too narrow, is still expanding, but I have more than 1 cm recession. Never used my nose to breathe (apart from when I did sports) in my whole life, until 18 years old. My tongue was always on the bottom of my mouth or I was always with my mouth open. I've got my 3rd class malocclusion + open bite + Cross bite corrected, so my teeth are aligned and I've got no malocclusion... I'm not a birdcel (recession of the mandible so jaw surgery) so it's not over yet

Post pic of side profile.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

OK thanks, Is the lenght (some mm) caused by recession? I have the lower lip that is bigger, more forward and hangs down while most models have the upper one that is bigger.

No, maxillary recession causes a shorter philtrum. Moving it forward will give the appearance of a taller philtrum.

 

[Deleted member 16264]

@LooksOverAll

Post pic of side profile.

 

[Deleted member 16264]

@LooksOverAll I have the type of recession where all my face is flat... I don't have any cheekbones' exposure and that birdcel face. My front face is melted, hanging down (unsupported nose, philtrum, upper lip and chin)

I always looked at this GIF for an overview about my possibly future face

 

[Deleted member 16264]

@LooksOverAll I have the type of recession where all my face is flat... I don't have any cheekbones' exposure and that birdcel face. My front face is melted, hanging down (unsupported nose, philtrum, upper lip and chin)

@LooksOverAll I have the type of recession where all my face is flat... I don't have any cheekbones' exposure and that birdcel face. My front face is melted, hanging down (unsupported nose, philtrum, upper lip and chin)

I always looked at this GIF for an overview about my possibly future face

@LooksOverAll I have the type of recession where all my face is flat... I don't have any cheekbones' exposure and that birdcel face. My front face is melted, hanging down (unsupported nose, philtrum, upper lip and chin)

I always looked at this GIF for an overview about my possibly future face

@LooksOverAll I have the type of recession where all my face is flat... I don't have any cheekbones' exposure and that birdcel face. My front face is melted, hanging down (unsupported nose, philtrum, upper lip and chin)

I always looked at this GIF for an overview about my possibly future face

Or this one, all I need is rotating my maxilla foreward, since I don't have any malocclusion @LooksOverAll

 

[Deleted member 7725]

@LooksOverAll I have the type of recession where all my face is flat... I don't have any cheekbones' exposure and that birdcel face. My front face is melted, hanging down (unsupported nose, philtrum, upper lip and chin)

I always looked at this GIF for an overview about my possibly future face

Your mandible is very recessed as well. You need CCW bimax.

 

[Deleted member 16264]

Your mandible is very recessed as well. You need CCW bimax.

Thanks, will my philtrum remain 16 mm right, or it will become even 1 mm less if my upper lip becomes better defined since I won't mouth breathe again? (I saw a video of an orthodontist on YouTube who said that differences in lips in mouth-breathers (for example Lower lip bigger) can be solved by closing the mouth and breathing through the nose

 

[dakchuh]

Your mandible is very recessed as well. You need CCW bimax.

how much advancement do you think he needs? i am even more recessed than him

 

[Deleted member 16264]

how much advancement do you think he needs? i am even more recessed than him

Your mandible is very recessed as well. You need CCW bimax.

Thanks, do you think is possible to do Lefort 3? I'm not deformed but I want to rotate only the maxilla and the results I saw are life saving