I need a 7mm downgraft, but already have some gum show when smiling. wtf do i do

[sereneforever]

I do not have clinical SFS but my midface length is deformity tier, i’ve consulted with 3 surgeons so far and they all have suggested downgrafting on my djs.

But downgrafting will increase your gum show by X amount of height increase.

Meaning i’ll have a disgusting smile, is there anything that can be done?

 

[kaydd]

Post face

 

[nontdisciple]

Could you dm me ur face? I specialize in sfs

 

[sereneforever]

Post face

 

[sereneforever]

Could you dm me ur face? I specialize in sfs

it’s in the thread now

 

[yussimania]

This is an eye spacing issue - it's part of the midface ratio which helps explain why you feel your midface is short

The surgeons you consulted are retarded just tryna make money off you

@vermicel please morph his eyes closer together so he can understand

 

[sereneforever]

This is an eye spacing issue - it's part of the midface ratio which helps explain why you feel your midface is short

The surgeons you consulted are retarded just tryna make money off you

@vermicel please morph his eyes closer together so he can understand

That’s true but it just looks extremely short even without it look at the second picture it’s peanut size tiny

 

[kaydd]

you do realize where they make the cut right?

 

[sereneforever]

you do realize where they make the cut right?

lf1 so above the top teeth

 

[geenk worg]

I already told you the answer in some older thread but you refuse to accept it

 

[sereneforever]

I already told you the answer in some older thread but you refuse to accept it

wait iirc you did say to get a downgraft but with a nasal lengthening, i mentioned this but they didn’t/couldn’t do it you said it was a niche type of thing

 

[geenk worg]

wait iirc you did say to get a downgraft but with a nasal lengthening, i mentioned this but they didn’t/couldn’t do it you said it was a niche type of thing

Maybe try to contact raffaini

 

[sereneforever]

bump

 

[Animepilled]

i'm confused. But jaw surgery doesnt affect midface length. You can downgraft your jaw but the soft tissue and the nose will remain in the same place

 

[sereneforever]

i'm confused. But jaw surgery doesnt affect midface length. You can downgraft your jaw but soft tissue will remain in the same place

Not the gums they come down via the amount downgrafted if that’s what you are meaning to say english isn’t my first language

 

[Animepilled]

Not the gums they come down via the amount downgrafted

yeah but you said you hate your short midface and want to do a downgraft for that. it's not gonna change it

 

[Knid]

yeah but you said you hate your short midface and want to do a downgraft for that. it's not gonna change it

Nigga why would a downgraft not increase midface length? Am I retarded or sum

 

[Animepilled]

Nigga why would a downgraft not increase midface length? Am I retarded or sum

why would it. show examples

 

[Animepilled]

it will actually look even shorter because of the elongated lower third

 

[geenk worg]

i'm confused. But jaw surgery doesnt affect midface length. You can downgraft your jaw but the soft tissue and the nose will remain in the same place

It's possible
https://looksmax.org/threads/i-have...t-or-should-i-just-rope.1781612/post-25174141

 

[zemult]

Send side and smile

 

[yussimania]

i'm confused. But jaw surgery doesnt affect midface length. You can downgraft your jaw but the soft tissue and the nose will remain in the same place

Your soft tissue will get stretched think of it like a canvas being stretched along a wooden frame

The nose will remain in place yes if it's a lefort 1 downgraft

 

[Animepilled]

It's possible
https://looksmax.org/threads/i-have...t-or-should-i-just-rope.1781612/post-25174141

damn first time im seeing this. Anyway its very rare and niche and probably costs insane money

 

[zemult]

This is an eye spacing issue - it's part of the midface ratio which helps explain why you feel your midface is short

The surgeons you consulted are retarded just tryna make money off you

@vermicel please morph his eyes closer together so he can understand

Nah his face is giga short. Like 2.42 fwhr. Don't know about sfs tho

 

[geenk worg]

damn first time im seeing this. Anyway its very rare and niche and probably costs insane money

Worth the risk

 

[sereneforever]

Send side and smile

 

[zemult]

Yeah you have less-than-ideal upper teeth show. Looks like it might be a very mild case of SFS. Makes sense why the surgeons you've consulted suggested downgrafting

Your side though doesn't look like giga SFS at least off first glance. Some signs of it though but your gonial angle isn't too low.

I'd consult Raffaini* just like @geenk worg mentioned. It seems this case isn't that simple

 

[sereneforever]

Yeah you have less-than-ideal upper teeth show. Looks like it might be a very mild case of SFS. Makes sense why the surgeons you've consulted suggested downgrafting

Your side though doesn't look like giga SFS at least off first glance. Some signs of it though but your gonial angle isn't too low.

I'd consult Ramieri just like @geenk worg mentioned. It seems this case isn't that simple

Thank you for the in depth replies bro

Just hope my front can improve from this

 

[zemult]

Thank you for the in depth replies bro

Just hope my front can improve from this

I meant raffaini lol but yeah you look like a SFS case so you'd benefit a good amount from the front I'd imagine.

However you're limited by the IPD and I suspect you just have a short face in general. I don't know the limitations of such movements you would have

 

[nontdisciple]

Definite sfs. Clockwise rotation will benefit you in the sense that it’ll increase the plane angle. Tooth show is limited so you don’t have to worry about affecting tooth show. It’s hardly an ipd issue

 

[sereneforever]

sonion

 

[zemult]

Definite sfs. Clockwise rotation will benefit you in the sense that it’ll increase the plane angle. Tooth show is limited so you don’t have to worry about affecting tooth show. It’s hardly an ipd issue

Actually you're right I should've looked further. His ICD is pretty shit but ESR looks around ideal?

 

[sereneforever]

Actually you're right I should've looked further. His ICD is pretty shit but ESR looks around ideal?

Giant said he wouldn’t do OBO on me

 

[zemult]

Giant said he wouldn’t do OBO on me

Don't think it's worth it I think you're just short faced for the most part

 

[sereneforever]

Don't think it's worth it I think you're just short faced for the most part

Yeah he just randomly responded to one of my rate me threads when someone talked about obo lel

I wouldn’t mind my wide eyes just care about my disfigurement at the moment

 

[yussimania]

@sereneforever why did you say in the title you have gum show when you smile?

Show me your relaxed smile now (present day)

Your photos have been taken years apart judging by your hair

 

[zemult]

Yeah he just randomly responded to one of my rate me threads when someone talked about obo lel

I wouldn’t mind my wide eyes just care about my disfigurement at the moment

I don't think it's even much of a falio considering ur esr is ideal. Just shit icd but plenty of people are fine with that.

Short face is main flaw

 

[yussimania]

I don't think it's even much of a falio considering ur esr is ideal. Just shit icd but plenty of people are fine with that.

Short face is main flaw

Btw which image did you use to measure his esr

First one is too close to the camera and the 2nd one isn't aligned correctly as I can see the side of his head (the zygomatic arch leading to the temporal process)

 

[sereneforever]

@sereneforever why did you say in the title you have gum show when you smile?

Show me your relaxed smile now (present day)

Your photos have been taken years apart judging by your hair

It was only 2 months ago i cut my hair because i looked like goatis

I had a picture on vacation and i was cheesing kinda hard but you could see my gums, normally you can’t with regular smile

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

You can only do gingivectomy I will do ts too with veneers and I got downgraft lf1 4-5mm

 

[sereneforever]

You can only do gingivectomy I will do ts too with veneers and I got downgraft lf1 4-5mm

You got downgrafting?

Did it change your FWHR much?

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

You got downgrafting?

Did it change your FWHR much?

Idk I don’t measure ts.
But yes it did. Lower third proportion is visibly longer/dominant now.
But big part of it was also the genio CW

 

[sereneforever]

Idk I don’t measure ts.
But yes it did. Lower third proportion is visibly longer/dominant now.
But big part of it was also the genio CW

I think im fucked then

Because my middle third is the issue ofc my lower is quite small too but midface is the main issue

 

[zemult]

Btw which image did you use to measure his esr

First one is too close to the camera and the 2nd one isn't aligned correctly as I can see the side of his head (the zygomatic arch leading to the temporal process)

Yeah it is a bit to the side of his head

This one isn't significantly but still within 47%

Little off ideal though but it's not the main issue at hand

Makes sense why his icd is a little off then

Still not much of a falio imo

 

[nontdisciple]

Actually you're right I should've looked further. His ICD is pretty shit but ESR looks around ideal?

yeah his ipd or icd is also a failo. i think its moreso that, at least in the first picture he put, his pupils almost look like if theyre outwards. ive been researching a bit on latisse and can say there is a probability latisse can fix the issues, given how the fat pads rest on the eye sockets. and ofc also give him eyelashes. his main failo is notably his compact face. he should look into the surgery and, if he gets it, reassess if his ipd is still an issue and if it is, just use latisse to lower said ipd.

 

[yussimania]

yeah his ipd or icd is also a failo. i think its moreso that, at least in the first picture he put, his pupils almost look like if theyre outwards. ive been researching a bit on latisse and can say there is a probability latisse can fix the issues, given how the fat pads rest on the eye sockets. and ofc also give him eyelashes. his main failo is notably his compact face. he should look into the surgery and, if he gets it, reassess if his ipd is still an issue and if it is, just use latisse to lower said ipd.

How would latisse decrease his IPD?

If you had to decrease the IPD it would be the fat on the medial side - that's the orbital fat which is behind the orbital septum not to be confused with the known trend that latisse destroys the periorbital fat

 

[nontdisciple]

How would latisse decrease his IPD?

If you had to decrease the IPD it would be the fat on the medial side - that's the orbital fat which is behind the orbital septum not to be confused with the known trend that latisse destroys the periorbital fat

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https://looksmax.org/threads/has-anyone-ever-used-bimatoprost-to-reduce-ipd.732588/post-11509859

not confirmed by any means but its logically sound

 

[yussimania]

https://looksmax.org/threads/has-anyone-ever-used-bimatoprost-to-reduce-ipd.732588/post-11509859

not confirmed by any means but its logically sound

I'm gonna do more research on this

 

[LEFORT17]

You can only do gingivectomy I will do ts too with veneers and I got downgraft lf1 4-5mm

WE will do emax veneers

 

[nontdisciple]

No

That's referring to the orbital fat as I just said

Latisse won't penetrate through the orbital septum it will only affect the periorbital fat

the post i linked cited two sources

"herefore, it is reasonable that IPD may shorten within the same period. In the current case, IPD shortened from 62.5 mm to 60.0 mm over a period of 3 months and shortened again from 61.5 mm to 59.0 mm over a period of 8 weeks with bimatoprost use."

granted, these are in the form of eye drops, but lash growth is still seen with eye drops bimatoprost