I need help looking less ogre!

[Adamsmith12345]

Hello,

I'm only 17 years old, but my face looks 20-22 years old, which makes me feel insecure. I look more aesthetically pleasing and less ogre when my face fully de-bloats. For some reason, my face is only lean from 11pm-4AM (5-6 hour time frame after i take a shower). My body fat percentage is 12-13%, so I would have to maintain a 10% BF if I want to look less ogre purely through leanmaxxing.

Yesterday I read this thread:

Features that make someone look ogre

Name facial features that make someone look more ogre and less pretty. I will go first, and you guys can add to this or disagree with any of these. My list is not in any order of most or least ogre I don't want to rank them. Too big brow bone mass Brow bone projected too much Buzz cut...

looksmax.org

These are the specific features that make me ogre, in descending order of importance:
Bloated FACE
Large masseters
Gonial angle too low (90-100 degree)
Bulbous nasal tip
deep mentolabial fold

I could not find any good resources for becoming less ogre, the only posts I found were @badg96 's autistic spam threads

Questions:
What's the best/easiest/most permanent way to de-bloat face?
Are there any surgeries that you would recommend for very slight facial feminization?
Why does my face quickly de-bloat after drinking alcohol?

I will post pictures later, if needed.

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Idk once ogre always ogre

 

[Deleted member 22924]

without face pics i cant help u g

 

[Adamsmith12345]

without face pics i cant help u g

i dont have access to my phone atm. i'll post fully unfrauded pics in a few hours

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Here is my face when it isn’t completely de bloated. As you can see, there’s bloat around my mouth area, I have a deep mentolabial fold, bloated masseters, and a subhuman ethnic nose.
My lips are also too thick compared to their length..

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747994355289292801/1079769105739034744/EE4ACC17-B397-498B-8C2C-7A91B786942E.jpg

completely de-bloating Improves all of these features. I just need to figure out a routine for de-bloating.

I will resort to hardmaxxing/surgeries if necessary. Fuck being ogre

 

[sam12344343]

Here is my face when it isn’t completely de bloated. As you can see, there’s bloat around my mouth area, I have a deep mentolabial fold, bloated masseters, and a subhuman ethnic nose.
My lips are also too thick compared to their length..

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747994355289292801/1079769105739034744/EE4ACC17-B397-498B-8C2C-7A91B786942E.jpg

completely de-bloating Improves all of these features. I just need to figure out a routine for de-bloating.

I will resort to hardmaxxing/surgeries if necessary. Fuck being ogre

shit skin and long philtrum and nose is disharmonius . To fix accutane and lip lift and rhino

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

Here is my face when it isn’t completely de bloated. As you can see, there’s bloat around my mouth area, I have a deep mentolabial fold, bloated masseters, and a subhuman ethnic nose.
My lips are also too thick compared to their length..

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747994355289292801/1079769105739034744/EE4ACC17-B397-498B-8C2C-7A91B786942E.jpg

completely de-bloating Improves all of these features. I just need to figure out a routine for de-bloating.

I will resort to hardmaxxing/surgeries if necessary. Fuck being ogre

U arent bloated its ur bones u need to prettyboy max (kpop etc)

 

[Adamsmith12345]

shit skin and long philtrum and nose is disharmonius . To fix accutane and lip lift and rhino

I originally had suspicions about my disharmonious nose/mouth being the main problem. Thanks for your input! I plan to get some of these surgeries in the future:

- rhino (for bulbous tip reduction)
- lip reduction
- masseter reduction
- lip lift
- facial liposuction

 

[Adamsmith12345]

U arent bloated its ur bones u need to prettyboy max (kpop etc)

I don't think it's my bones that make me look ogre, because I look just fine after de-bloating with coffee/alcohol. Most of the thickness around my gonion/masseter area is fat/muscle, which is why I need masseter reduction through botox or surgery.

 

[5.5psl]

Imagine writing an entire essay without posting face pics